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All,
Velocity Outdoor is pleased to announce that the Fortitude GEN2 will be launched at SHOT Show next week. We have isolated the cause of many of the concerns cited on this site and have taken the necessary steps to address all of the shortcomings experienced with the initial launch. What has changed? Steps were taken in the design to minimize any leakage. Additionally, we reduced the cocking effort, improved the trigger pull and enhanced the shot strings.
I am really excited about getting the Fortitude Gen 2 into the hands of customers and reviewers so all can experience the enhancements first hand.
Thanks,
John…Crosman / Benjamin Engineer
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The only thing my Gen I Fortitude needs is a better trigger, the rest of the gun is just perfect to me. I did the Baker Gold Trigger mod, and although the trigger feels good on the finger the pull is still too stiff and mushy. I think the Marauder trigger would be well worth the added price.
Charlie,
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All,
Velocity Outdoor is pleased to announce that the Fortitude GEN2 will be launched at SHOT Show next week. We have isolated the cause of many of the concerns cited on this site and have taken the necessary steps to address all of the shortcomings experienced with the initial launch. What has changed? Steps were taken in the design to minimize any leakage. Additionally, we reduced the cocking effort, improved the trigger pull and enhanced the shot strings.
I am really excited about getting the Fortitude Gen 2 into the hands of customers and reviewers so all can experience the enhancements first hand.
Thanks,
John…Crosman / Benjamin Engineer
Ill come see you guys at the shot show!
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With all the factory defects addressed, the Benjamin Fortitude again rises to the top of my wish list. Standing by to find out what online reviewers have to say about the new improved Fortitude, before I too buy one.
All things considered, my observation at this juncture is along the lines of .... Yeeeeeehaw ! Ahem, I mean to say that this is a positive development that puts a wide grin on my mug fer sure.
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Charlie - Glad you like the gun. With the updates the trigger will improve stinky because of the reduced pull weight. Otherwise it will be the same Fortitude just better.
Travis - Looking forward to it.
Tony - I am hoping for a much more positive launch of this one.
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I've been considering one. Looks like I should pick one up.
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Holes have been deburred before assembly..? Wish I knew the twist rate of the barrel.. ;)
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That is exciting to hear.
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I'll take two!
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I want to see it first and read reviews. There were many issues with this gun that I experienced first hand other than hard to cock and leaking issues. For example I couldn't load the magazine in the breech and the stock bolt when fully tightened still allowed a lot of movement. It also is quite anemic when it comes to power compared to it's competitors. Only 17 or 18 FP. It is not very versatile since there is no way to adjust the hammer. One of the ones I received also had a bad case of barrel droop and it was almost impossible to adjust the scope. I love Crosman's customer service and I own 3 discos and 3 marauders and I want this gun to be a good one. I wish the repeater breech would fit my discos and I and thousands of others would be very happy. Chet
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I gotta admit... I was initially excited when the Gen1 was announced. What happened after that made me real salty. Makes me just a bit "gun shy" with the Gen2. I truly hope my apprehensions are wrong.
The lower priced magged PCP guns put a huge spin on the game. It will be interesting to see if the semi auto platform follows suit.
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I would bite, however I've already put a multi-shot breach, and shortened barrel on my Maximus along with ssg hammer adjustment and opened the ports.
It is a fine shooter! 8)
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I would bite, however I've already put a multi-shot breach, and shortened barrel on my Maximus along with ssg hammer adjustment and opened the ports.
It is a fine shooter! 8)
Sooooooooo you've had a Gen 2 , in incognito, all this time and didn't tell anybody until now ;D
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Some more info leaking out...
Here's a few new Fortitude spec for you to check out. "Adjustable hammer spring. You can adjust to the velocity/shot count you want. 34% reduction in cocking force, 20% reduction in trigger pull weight"
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Let me see if I have this straight. Twenty percent of a 5 to 7 lb. trigger pull is what, a pound give or take a little. I'm really excited that now I'll still have a 4 or 5 lb. trigger pull. That issue can be resolved though with a drop in marauder trigger. I don't want to be negative until I see the total new package. The adjustable hammer spring is certainly a good and needed feature. Chet
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Trigger pull is about 4lbs as tested.
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Some more info leaking out...
Here's a few new Fortitude spec for you to check out. "Adjustable hammer spring. You can adjust to the velocity/shot count you want. 34% reduction in cocking force, 20% reduction in trigger pull weight"
Any idea about availability of the Gen 2? This will be my next air gun for sure.
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Any idea about availability of the Gen 2? This will be my next air gun for sure.
I thought I heard March time frame from Crosman rep on Shot Show.
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Though heavy for some folks, I don't mind a 4# trigger on a hunting gun, and that's exactly what the Fortitude is to me. I've hunted with DA pistols in the distant past and my most-recent trip was with a bone-stock trigger on a B-3. not saying it's a good idea, but Crosman taking time to address and/or look at the issues large and small is comforting.
I still may order up that sidelever breech on amazon, though,
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Just got off the phone with Crosman CS. The Gen 2 has a new part number, but there is no availability date in the system as of yet. Subject to change at any moment. John, if you can give us a heads up when a date is firm. Thanks
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Just got off the phone with Crosman CS. The Gen 2 has a new part number, but there is no availability date in the system as of yet. Subject to change at any moment. John, if you can give us a heads up when a date is firm. Thanks
One again since you did not believe me the first time:
Starts at 6:35 ends at 11:10 + -
https://youtu.be/Q7TV95GkZpg?t=395
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Matt, wrong!!! I was ordering parts and asked just for my own information since I had them on the phone. They have the new part number in the system, but no stocking date. As soon as items are in the pipeline, dates are viewable. I called in November to order a barrel, no barrels. I was told they should be in in December. If you remember the first release of the Fortitude, many release dates were given before actual delivery. I will believe a CS rep in front of a computer before I believe a rep at a show. Sorry.
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I will let you know when the first units go into boxes.
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Thanks, John. Let's hope it's sooner than later. ;) ;D :D
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I got to see and handle the gen 2 and its night and day difference so I hope this version will be the cats meow!
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Being a Marauder owner in 25 this might be a nice rifle to use in the backyard if quiet enough.
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I will be looking for a good deal on the Gen 2 Fortitude when they become available.
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I will let you know when the first units go into boxes.
Any good or bad news to share?
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I asked Crosman a few days ago & got this reply.
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Well, there goes another $300.00! ;)
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I just want to get or buy the parts to upgrade my First Gen Fortitudes .... (Yes Fortitudes)..... I really want another 50 ish fps more . I don't really care about the tough cocking, but being able to tune the velocity so all my Fortitudes (Yes Fortitudes) match is very important to me.
Here is one of my Forts with a Disco stock ... all my Forts BTW have Disco stocks !!!
(https://photos.imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos/Fortitude%20in%20Desert%20sm.png)
I'm watching this thread with great interest.
wll
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I just want to get or buy the parts to upgrade my First Gen Fortitudes .... (Yes Fortitudes)..... I really want another 50 ish fps more . I don't really care about the tough cocking, but being able to tune the velocity so all my Fortitudes (Yes Fortitudes) match is very important to me.
Here is one of my Forts with a Disco stock ... all my Forts BTW have Disco stocks !!!
(https://photos.imageevent.com/wlleven/k10dtest/downloadphotos/Fortitude%20in%20Desert%20sm.png)
I'm watching this thread with great interest.
wll
I haven't read anywhere that the Gen 2 can be adjusted to a higher power than Gen 1. They will come at a mid-level setting, that is lower than current, according to a Shot Show video. Cranking up the power, will just be getting back to the Gen 1 default. ie they are using a weaker spring that has more adjustability with pre-load. The weaker spring makes cocking easier, and helps reduce trigger pull.
Also, no need for you to wait to try it. Order the Prod end cap (1700-012), adjuster (1700-011), and spring (1700-009). My guess, around $15-20 in parts. You can try using your current spring, but it will not take much pre-load before it goes into coil bind. There are also a couple of springs to try between the Prod and Gen 1 Fort.
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Y'all should have just made the Prod longer and added the Mrod trigger. It would have been cheaper to make, and less buggy, due to the Prod already being an established platform and performer.
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Y'all should have just made the Prod longer and added the Mrod trigger. It would have been cheaper to make, and less buggy, due to the Prod already being an established platform and performer.
I'm guessing somebody wanted to reinvent the wheel.
Inquiring minds would like to know why didn't they go this route.
I don't think we'll ever know.
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Y'all should have just made the Prod longer and added the Mrod trigger. It would have been cheaper to make, and less buggy, due to the Prod already being an established platform and performer.
I'm guessing somebody wanted to reinvent the wheel.
Inquiring minds would like to know why didn't they go this route.
I don't think we'll ever know.
Probably not. I too, would like to know why Crosman didn't go this route- since bean counters pretty much run the company, I would have thought this route would be the ultimate win-win scenario for the company: "New" product, no real changes to supply, parts, fasteners, happy customers, room for expansion w/special editions or versions, HUGE aftermarket support already in place, nearly instant big sales and success of the product... smh- the list goes on...
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The Prod lists for $100 more than a Fortitude. How can they make the Fortitude cheaper by using Prod parts? The marketing audience for the Fortitude is the under $300 crowd. It is what it is.
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Just a bump. Any more info on the ETA?
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Will2506 I seen you have your fortitude is in a disco stock. Did you have to modify at all or were they drop in? If that's the case boyds now has an "at1" thumbhole stock that's bad to the bone. Definitely worth considering. I was thinking about putting that setup together for my wife to shoot because of how light it is.
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Will2506 I seen you have your fortitude is in a disco stock. Did you have to modify at all or were they drop in? If that's the case boyds now has an "at1" thumbhole stock that's bad to the bone. Definitely worth considering. I was thinking about putting that setup together for my wife to shoot because of how light it is.
He said drop in.
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May have to get this for the nephew .
He enjoys shooting his crosman pellet gun and my marauder .
Am thinking this would be a nice step up for a tweenager .
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Didn't know how to phrase it. Are they a direct fit. Not a gunsmith and don't really know the proper way to phrase some of this stuff. Hope you got a kick out of it though!
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Yes, no mods, a complete drop in like changing your undies ;D
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Awesome! Thank you. I tried to get that out of the customer support at crosman but they didn't know. So it will work with the discovery stock boyds offers. I thought they looked to be the same stock. These air guns are definitely gonna put me in the poor house lol. I think the fortitude would be an awesome airgun with boyds new stock on it. I say its for my wife but I'll be shootin it when shes not around! Thanks again.
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It was W2506ll (the photo poster) who said himself that they are a complete drop-in and that he has 2 of them.
It was in another thread though.
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I'm just happy to hear that they will work. I plan on setting one up for my wife to get her more involved with shooting with me. She broke her wrist a couple years ago and cant comfortably shoot the heavier guns. I like the discovery but its only a single shot and not shrouded. I don't care for synthetic stocks so without being able to upgrade the fortitudes stock it was off the table and now lo and behold its back on! This forum rocks.
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Will2506 I seen you have your fortitude is in a disco stock. Did you have to modify at all or were they drop in? If that's the case boyds now has an "at1" thumbhole stock that's bad to the bone. Definitely worth considering. I was thinking about putting that setup together for my wife to shoot because of how light it is.
Just a drop in stock, perfect fit MUCH, MUCH better support than the plastic Fortitude stock that on two of my guns rocked on the inside. The addition of the Disco stock helped with accuracy as you could imagine ;- )
wll
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Crosman.com seems to be accepting orders for the Fortitude now ( $399) and PA no longer list it as discontinued and is accepting emails if you want notice when they come in. Price is $299, If they let us use the 10% PA discount code I could live with a $270 price tag. This is going to be my backyard plinking gun. Turn the power down to 12 fpe and get 200 shots on a fill,
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Typical response from any retailer. I just received an e-mail from Crosman CS - "The Gen 2 Fortitude have not yet been released. I do not have an exact date on when they will be available, we anticipating that they should be available end of April or Early May."
I will get one, but will not hold my breath!!!
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Seems to be taking a very long time to become available again. I hope its worth the wait. Im sure it will be.
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Seems to be taking a very long time to become available again. I hope its worth the wait. Im sure it will be.
Sound like the same ole song or it's stuck on that same scratch that makes it repeat itself.
For all you young'ens that what vinyl records use to do ;D
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Sorry Crosman... that ship has sailed..... next?
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It does seem to be taking a long time to get them out again. I was wanting them to get them out to someone to review before now. I don’t think with the changes they are making that it is going to be what I want power wise. But maybe that’s why it’s taking this long, maybe they are doing more than a power adjuster and different hammer spring. Guess some day we might find out, but by then I may have lost any interest in this one.
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I'm thinking they want get it right before they let it go and I'm in favor of that.
Then again it could just be a logistics problem.
I want one in .22.
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Sorry Crosman... that ship has sailed..... next?
I'm thinking the project will be cancelled because at this point it's already cost them +$ and the Bean Counters are pulling back the project.
It's always about money!
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If that is the case I sure wish they would just let us know, so the people that are waiting for this airgun can figure something else out.
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If that is the case I sure wish they would just let us know, so the people that are waiting for this airgun can figure something else out.
Like Bill said "Sorry Crosman... that ship has sailed..... next?"
I was going to buy one but when it didn't work out I bought a Liberty. It's been a fun gun to shoot and enjoy rather than wait.
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All,
The reason we didn't use the Prod is the cost and that some people thought it would be easy to just drop a regulator in the Max and it would run with no other changes. If only engineering were that simple...
These Gen2s should ship at the same power level as the Gen 1 with additional power available via the hammer spring adjuster.
There are two reasons we have not shipped yet. First is a parts problem. We found an issue with a part and had to have them all remade. I caused one design pilot to fail QA testing as 3 our of 50 guns did not meet our expectations and it took weeks to get new parts in. The pilot guns had to be stripped and rebuilt once the new parts came in and then rebuilt and retested. This all needs to happen in conjunction with the build schedule so that the rest of our PCPs keep shipping. We are working hard on trying to get these guns out. Trust me no one wants to see these guns succeed more than I do!!!
Thanks,
Crosman Engineer
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John,
Thank You for this response. For me it shows that Crosman does listen.
I wish ya'll good luck with the Fortitude GenII.
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I second that!
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All,
The reason we didn't use the Prod is the cost and that some people thought it would be easy to just drop a regulator in the Max and it would run with no other changes. If only engineering were that simple...
These Gen2s should ship at the same power level as the Gen 1 with additional power available via the hammer spring adjuster.
There are two reasons we have not shipped yet. First is a parts problem. We found an issue with a part and had to have them all remade. I caused one design pilot to fail QA testing as 3 our of 50 guns did not meet our expectations and it took weeks to get new parts in. The pilot guns had to be stripped and rebuilt once the new parts came in and then rebuilt and retested. This all needs to happen in conjunction with the build schedule so that the rest of our PCPs keep shipping. We are working hard on trying to get these guns out. Trust me no one wants to see these guns succeed more than I do!!!
Thanks,
Crosman Engineer
I kept the faith all along, see reply #52 :D
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John - ME WANT!!
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Thanks for keeping us informed.
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Small HAM Update: https://hardairmagazine.com/news/benjamin-fortitude-generation-2-first-sighting/ (https://hardairmagazine.com/news/benjamin-fortitude-generation-2-first-sighting/)
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Great stuff. Chomping at the bit lol, just like countless others.
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Wow I can’t believe Crosman is testing each fortitude and sending a test target with each rifle.
From the Ham article
The factory test target gives an indication of accuracy and Muzzle Velocity. Five shots at 10 yards with Crosman 14.3 Grain domed pellets were clocked at “730s FPS”. HAM likes it that an individual factory test target is supplied with each Fortitude!
👏👏👏
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I would imagine that it cost them a boat load of money recalling all of the rifles last year and this is also good PR for them and a way to regain trust from the consumers (us). I missed that part in the article. I think that's awesome. Way to go crosman.
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Small HAM Update: https://hardairmagazine.com/news/benjamin-fortitude-generation-2-first-sighting/ (https://hardairmagazine.com/news/benjamin-fortitude-generation-2-first-sighting/)
Exciting stuff !
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FWIW: The accuracy cards were included with Gen 1, but without the hand print of speed and pellet. At 10yds, it should be a single pellet hole. Hard to really see the HAM one, but looks to be a large cloverleaf. See mine below:
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FWIW: The accuracy cards were included with Gen 1, but without the hand print of speed and pellet. At 10yds, it should be a single pellet hole. Hard to really see the HAM one, but looks to be a large cloverleaf. See mine below:
Thankfully that test doesn't matter.
That's because the 50 yard independent testing showed incredible accuracy. Without searching, I seem to remember ~3/4" groups at 50 yards.
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I hear this alot... sub 1" at 50 yds..
Is 3/4" accuracy good enough to humanely dispatch a squirrel at 50 yds ? Seems to me you could completely miss the heart and lung or head shot.
By no means meant to slam the Fortitude or any other rifle.
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I'm mostly interested in getting it for my wife to use. Trying to get her more involved with my air gun hobby/obsession lol. Plus Boyds has a new thumbhole "at one" stock that'll fit this rifle. It will be a nice little plinker with the stock upgrade and scope for around $600 total. And at 50-60 shots it will be nice. As far as shooting it out past 25-35 yards, that's what I would use the marauder or armada for.
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well 800 fps in .22 with 14.3 Should be just enough that puts it right about with the Gamo Urban for power...with a longer barrel and larger air tank and a reg... glad they listened about it needing a bit more fpe in .22...
one more thing that John could do is to talk them into to using a new chamber cutting tool and cut a leade while creating the chamber...fins at the back of the skirt from hard edged rifling is not conductive to accuracy... a decent leade also helps prevent pellet pickyness...
Every Crosman barrel I have(including the .25 Mrods) has had to have me give it a leade... Every time it has improved the barrel...such a small change...
I love the new in house barrels...
but they should not come with a chamber that ends with hard edged rifling... just change the tooling guys... I am pretty sure for pellets it does not need to be a 1* leade... heck even just 30* or a rounding of the edge helps from my experiments...the pellet is swagged into the rifling instead of being cut by it...eg no fins on the skirts base...
it is not even an extra step to the barrel making process... you have to cut a chamber anyways... that tool can cut a leade at the same time...
such a small finishing touch on the barrel that makes a very big difference...
So John learn from Harry Pope... the base of the round is very important...
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Very interesting info. Maybe with the quality of air rifles being produced now a days crosman will start adding these extra touches to their finished products just to stay in the game.
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The Fortitude Gen2s went out to some reviewers after passing the QA testing. We should start shipping product shortly.
We put targets in with our PCPs to show they run good. We were already testing every one for accuracy so we figured we might as well share the info. The .177 are tested with either 7.9g or 10.5 depending on the gun. The .22 are tested with our 14.3g pellets and the .25 with our 27.9g pellets.
I will talk to our tooling guys about a better leade in into the rifling. I appreciate the heads up!
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25 caliber? What kind of shot count and what type of energy will it have? That's even more tempting than the 22 caliber.
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Bear Air - no .25 Fortitude yet. The .25cal was there for reference.
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I will talk to our tooling guys about a better leade in into the rifling. I appreciate the heads up!
+1
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So when do you think they will be available?
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I hear this alot... sub 1" at 50 yds..
Is 3/4" accuracy good enough to humanely dispatch a squirrel at 50 yds ?....
Well, technically it was .69 ctc.... But 4 out of the 5 passed through the same hole at 50 yards.
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So when do you think they will be available?
I saw somewhere today that they were expected to be in stock April 5 at Pyramyd Air. I went looking for it again and couldn't find it. I think it was at the end of the HAM article.
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The Fortitude Gen2s went out to some reviewers after passing the QA testing. We should start shipping product shortly.
We put targets in with our PCPs to show they run good. We were already testing every one for accuracy so we figured we might as well share the info. The .177 are tested with either 7.9g or 10.5 depending on the gun. The .22 are tested with our 14.3g pellets and the .25 with our 27.9g pellets.
I will talk to our tooling guys about a better leade in into the rifling. I appreciate the heads up!
What would be the determining difference to use 7.9 or 10.5 in the .177?
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Avator - mainly velocity. Guns with more power go with the 10.5g and guns with a little less go with the 7.9g.
I cannot speak to a ship date yet. I have 0 visability into the production schedule or plan.
Thanks,
John
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Maybe I'm a bit confused...
Are you saying there is enough variance in the .177 off the line to warrant a change in pellet weight choice?
Not being critical... just tying to understand.
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Wait.... Are you referring to the Fortitude or are you speaking PCP guns in general?
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Hope this comes out soon, just got the go ahead from my wife to post our break barrels on the classifieds to help with the purchase of the fortitude. The was the first thing she asked was " what'll I shoot"? I hate to say it but she is probably a better shot than I am lol.
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Maybe I'm a bit confused...
Are you saying there is enough variance in the .177 off the line to warrant a change in pellet weight choice?
Not being critical... just tying to understand.
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Wait.... Are you referring to the Fortitude or are you speaking PCP guns in general?
I took it as PCP guns in general.
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Avator - That is PCPs in general. for example, Fortitudes are tested with 7.9g and Marauders are tested with 10.5g.
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Gotya..... thank you.
I wasn't aware ya'll tested all PCP guns.
Good job !!!
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We test fire all guns built in house for function and velocity. We accuracy test all PCP guns at the end of the production line. They are not serialized until they pass test fire for velocity and accuracy.
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This thread started in January. I think there was a brief mention of a march release for Gen2 ? It's getting into April, have you tested or "Serialized" Gen2's ?
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This thread started in January. I think there was a brief mention of a march release for Gen2 ? It's getting into April, have you tested or "Serialized" Gen2's ?
This is his last progress report. https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=153620.msg155731669#msg155731669 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=153620.msg155731669#msg155731669)
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This thread started in January. I think there was a brief mention of a march release for Gen2 ? It's getting into April, have you tested or "Serialized" Gen2's ?
This is his last progress report. https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=153620.msg155731669#msg155731669 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=153620.msg155731669#msg155731669)
Yeah, that's this thread, the one we have been reading.
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This thread started in January. I think there was a brief mention of a march release for Gen2 ? It's getting into April, have you tested or "Serialized" Gen2's ?
From Crosman Engineer on March 19 - "These Gen2s should ship at the same power level as the Gen 1 with additional power available via the hammer spring adjuster.
There are two reasons we have not shipped yet. First is a parts problem. We found an issue with a part and had to have them all remade. I caused one design pilot to fail QA testing as 3 our of 50 guns did not meet our expectations and it took weeks to get new parts in. The pilot guns had to be stripped and rebuilt once the new parts came in and then rebuilt and retested. This all needs to happen in conjunction with the build schedule so that the rest of our PCPs keep shipping. We are working hard on trying to get these guns out. Trust me no one wants to see these guns succeed more than I do!!!
Thanks,
Crosman Engineer"
And more on March 31 - "The Fortitude Gen2s went out to some reviewers after passing the QA testing. We should start shipping product shortly."
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This thread started in January. I think there was a brief mention of a march release for Gen2 ? It's getting into April, have you tested or "Serialized" Gen2's ?
From Crosman Engineer on March 19 - "These Gen2s should ship at the same power level as the Gen 1 with additional power available via the hammer spring adjuster.
There are two reasons we have not shipped yet. First is a parts problem. We found an issue with a part and had to have them all remade. I caused one design pilot to fail QA testing as 3 our of 50 guns did not meet our expectations and it took weeks to get new parts in. The pilot guns had to be stripped and rebuilt once the new parts came in and then rebuilt and retested. This all needs to happen in conjunction with the build schedule so that the rest of our PCPs keep shipping. We are working hard on trying to get these guns out. Trust me no one wants to see these guns succeed more than I do!!!
Thanks,
Crosman Engineer"
And more on March 31 - "The Fortitude Gen2s went out to some reviewers after passing the QA testing. We should start shipping product shortly."
That is what I was pointing out in my link above. :D
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Great, so they have been serialized and tested and are on the way.. thanks for clearing that up guys.
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Hard Air Mag has added: https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/fortitude-gen-2-hammer-spring-adjustment/ (https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/fortitude-gen-2-hammer-spring-adjustment/)
Going to the max setting, doesn't provide much power increase, but reduces shot count.
The min setting gets allot of shots, but beware of coming off the reg.
Adjusting to 560-575fps for 10fpe, might give the longest strings.
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Going to the max setting, doesn't provide much power increase, but reduces shot count.
The min setting gets allot of shots, but beware of coming off the reg.
Adjusting to 560-575fps for 10fpe, might give the longest strings.
Could you not make up some of those deficit numbers with selecting a better preforming pellet?
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Going to the max setting, doesn't provide much power increase, but reduces shot count.
The min setting gets allot of shots, but beware of coming off the reg.
Adjusting to 560-575fps for 10fpe, might give the longest strings.
Could you not make up some of those deficit numbers with selecting a better preforming pellet?
It looks like HAM used 14.3g crosman pellets, which are the same ones John said that crosman uses for their test.
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Sportsman's guide is showing an ETA of 4/22/2019. Maybe they got some recent inside information?
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Fortitude review from Rick Rehm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKaXImzaLxM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2QJFkkyuRYASBAl_URT4OFhAiPj6pVZblTTp54JODVzUM2qVnkad2wc3I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKaXImzaLxM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2QJFkkyuRYASBAl_URT4OFhAiPj6pVZblTTp54JODVzUM2qVnkad2wc3I)
Check out all of his shooting with TEAM 1721. Lots of great stuff.
800 FPS in 22 is an "up to". We do have guns running at 800 FPS but not all there is a curve based on the regulator set pressure, hammer spring, valve spring, barrel ID and all of the other tolerances that make up the system. This also shows that we don't cherry pick guns for reviewers. We grabbed the reviewer's guns off the rack from our production pilot/QA test build.
Also it looks like a run of Fortitudes might hit production this week.
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Fortitude review from Rick Rehm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKaXImzaLxM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2QJFkkyuRYASBAl_URT4OFhAiPj6pVZblTTp54JODVzUM2qVnkad2wc3I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKaXImzaLxM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2QJFkkyuRYASBAl_URT4OFhAiPj6pVZblTTp54JODVzUM2qVnkad2wc3I)
Check out all of his shooting with TEAM 1721. Lots of great stuff.
800 FPS in 22 is an "up to". We do have guns running at 800 FPS but not all there is a curve based on the regulator set pressure, hammer spring, valve spring, barrel ID and all of the other tolerances that make up the system. This also shows that we don't cherry pick guns for reviewers. We grabbed the reviewer's guns off the rack from our production pilot/QA test build.
Also it looks like a run of Fortitudes might hit production this week.
That is most excellent!
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SG updated to 5/13/19 and now Pyramyd Air is posting 5/13 also.
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I just spoke the a customer service lady at Crosman and as of now they do not have any part #'s for the Gen 2 Fortitude and don't know anything about upgrading your Gen1 ;- (
I have a few of these guns and would really like to get the Gen2 velocity ... very important to me.
wll
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I have read this before, I think on Hard Air Fortitude Gen 2 review - the part number is BJ-BPF22SG2.
They may not have individual parts numbers yet as they generally do not release the EVP for a year.
https://hardairmagazine.com/news/benjamin-fortitude-generation-2-first-sighting/
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Says 23 fpe now I think that is just enough to be competitive with the Gamo Urban... good move...
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Says 23 fpe now I think that is just enough to be competitive with the Gamo Urban... good move...
Curiously, where did you read the ~23 FPE number ? I have not see that reference anywhere.
I used a calculator & came up with about ~20.3 FPE at 800 FPS using a 14.3 grain pellet.
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From the HAM Fortitude Gen 2 review I posted earlier, they only gained 20 FPS on the high setting, and still under 18FPE.
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Says 23 fpe now I think that is just enough to be competitive with the Gamo Urban... good move...
Curiously, where did you read the ~23 FPE number ? I have not see that reference anywhere.
I used a calculator & came up with about ~20.3 FPE at 800 FPS using a 14.3 grain pellet.
the Ham reveiw at the pic of the rifle... says 850 fps and 23 fpe.. ;)
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I'm all in....
I ordered my .22 Gen 2 Fortitude today from Pyramid Air, plus a tin of JSB Match Diabolo Exact Jumbo RS .22 Cal, 13.43 grains & a tin of H&N Terminator Pellets, .22 Cal, 16.36 Grains. $295 shipped for everything.
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I'm all in....
I ordered my .22 Gen 2 Fortitude today from Pyramid Air, plus a tin of JSB Match Diabolo Exact Jumbo RS .22 Cal, 13.43 grains & a tin of H&N Terminator Pellets, .22 Cal, 16.36 Grains. $295 shipped for everything.
You will not regret it !! The Fortitude is one of my favorite rifles ... the fact that it is so quiet is a major plus in my book. The accuracy is also off the charts ;- )
wll
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I'm all in....
I ordered my .22 Gen 2 Fortitude today from Pyramid Air, plus a tin of JSB Match Diabolo Exact Jumbo RS .22 Cal, 13.43 grains & a tin of H&N Terminator Pellets, .22 Cal, 16.36 Grains. $295 shipped for everything.
You will not regret it !! The Fortitude is one of my favorite rifles ... the fact that it is so quiet is a major plus in my book. The accuracy is also off the charts ;- )
wll
That's great to hear, I eagerly await delivery !
I'll also show off my $75 dollar 4500 PSI refill tank setup.
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Is the tube on these just like the Disco tube but has couple extra holes at the front drilled for breach? I guess parts could be available in the future. I wonder if a Marauder trigger will fit it like my Disco does...
Thanks
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Is the tube on these just like the Disco tube but has couple extra holes at the front drilled for breach? I guess parts could be available in the future. I wonder if a Marauder trigger will fit it like my Disco does...
Thanks
It is a more a maximus tube (valve screw location) with four extra holes for the breech. Two at the rear, and two on each side of the tp hole.
The Gen 1 mrod trigger fits.
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Your right! My mistake...I do have a Disco tube with Maximus stock and Gen 1 trigger now.. Do you think the valve screws location is the same? I would like the fortifide whole upper and tube maybe the regulator too.
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Your right! My mistake...I do have a Disco tube with Maximus stock and Gen 1 trigger now.. Do you think the valve screws location is the same? I would like the fortifide whole upper and tube maybe the regulator too.
The valve screw locations are different from the disco to the maximus or fortitude. The forward breech screws go into the valve on the fortitude.
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That valve idea would be a problem, I would want to use the one I have but there not drilled for the breech bolts. I have no way to machine stuff I was looking for more mix and match lol
So I wonder is the Fortifide 3000 tube ID and OD different from Disco 2000 because one is rated for 3000?
This is what I was all wondering?
Thanks Fuzzy!
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So I wonder is the Fortifide 3000 tube ID and OD different from Disco 2000 because one is rated for 3000?
They are the same.
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Anyone know off hand if the shroud is the same diameter as the shroud on a P-rod?
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Anyone know off hand if the shroud is the same diameter as the shroud on a P-rod?
No, it is the same as the mrod, both diameter and length.
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Question for you guys, would a disco double tube kit fit on the fortitude? I think it will and if so it would work in the stock I already have it in. I am curious because I was thinking of buying a multi shot breech and shrouded barrel for my Disco thought this may be a workable alternative, provided the barrel proves to be accurate.
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Question for you guys, would a disco double tube kit fit on the fortitude? I think it will and if so it would work in the stock I already have it in. I am curious because I was thinking of buying a multi shot breech and shrouded barrel for my Disco thought this may be a workable alternative, provided the barrel proves to be accurate.
Nope, completely different breech mounting. The Fortitude has four bolts, similar to the MRod and PRod. The valve and regulator also mount differently.
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Question for you guys, would a disco double tube kit fit on the fortitude? I think it will and if so it would work in the stock I already have it in. I am curious because I was thinking of buying a multi shot breech and shrouded barrel for my Disco thought this may be a workable alternative, provided the barrel proves to be accurate.
Nope, completely different breech mounting. The Fortitude has four bolts, similar to the MRod and PRod. The valve and regulator also mount differently.
I understand that the breech bolts on differently and that my Disco valve will not work but what I was asking was if the tubes are the same diameter shouldn't the double tube work on the stock fortitude tube and upper?
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Don’t know about the disco double, but the prod double has a larger OD tube than the OEM. It is 1” OD in steel, and think it is 1” OD with the aluminum option.
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Don’t know about the disco double, but the prod double has a larger OD tube than the OEM. It is 1” OD in steel, and think it is 1” OD with the aluminum option.
Ok, I will check it out a lil more, if it won't work no biggie. Thanks for your help
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Any idea on what type of valves are in these? Like a stock Disco valve?
Greg
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Any idea on what type of valves are in these? Like a stock Disco valve?
Greg
I believe it has a valve more like the Maximus, not 💯 though
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I assumed they are like the Disco, never seen a Maximus valve.
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The poppet is the same as the Maximus, but a different valve body. It does not use the larger stem poppet of the disco. There are only two valve body screws, which line up with maximus, not the disco.
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This is in the Fortifide too? Had no idea that much difference...like to see one of those.
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This is in the Fortifide too? Had no idea that much difference...like to see one of those.
See reply #7: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=150000.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=150000.0)
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Was supposed to be for sale today at PA now its pushed out to the 27th. Argh!!!!
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Was supposed to be for sale today at PA now its pushed out to the 27th. Argh!!!!
LOL, so true.
I'm secretly hoping to take delivery of my Fortitude Gen 2 right before the release of the new Fortitude Gen 3...
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Was supposed to be for sale today at PA now its pushed out to the 27th. Argh!!!!
LOL, so true.
I'm secretly hoping to take delivery of my Fortitude Gen 2 right before the release of the new Fortitude Gen 3...
Gen 3 or the Hammer.....
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Hey, anything is possible.... after all, folks actually did get a Gauntlet.
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Trigger pull is about 4lbs as tested.
Will the 2-Screw trigger Mod Still Work to improve Trigger even more ? Mr. Crosman Engineer Why did You add the Boss's to Trigger Pack for the 2-screw Mod and not use them ???(Lawyer's) I bet.....Thank's for Leaving Boss's anyway for Us to use.....Franky
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I thought it was in this post, can't find it now, someone filling the stock with foam? What will this do ...this sounds intresting..
Greg
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I thought it was in this post, can't find it now, someone filling the stock with foam? What will this do ...this sounds intresting..
Greg
It reduces the hollow plastic sound when you brush or rap against the stock. I've done it on many a syn stock. I've used compressed Styrofoam peanuts, but they are not used in shipping (a good thing) anymore. I figured they would be easier to remove then the spray in, expanding type.
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Okay my next question is how to get it in the stock. The back plate doesn't come off? Maybe drill a hole?
Greg
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Okay my next question is how to get it in the stock. The back plate doesn't come off? Maybe drill a hole?
Greg
Remove the rear sling stud, and you should be able to remove the butt plate.
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Oh okay....it must just screw off then?
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Today I called into Pyramid Air to add a tin of JSB Hades pellets to my existing order, my plan was to use their new coupon code called "CANDLE-20" for a 20% discount. Before I called them I entered all the things from my current back order: Gen 2, & 4 tins of pellets along with the 20% off coupon, I was then shocked when all items received a 20% discount !
I quickly took a screen shot of my shopping cart so I'd have proof (just in case) & then called Pyramid Air up. After a quick phone discussion they agreed to give me this new 20% discount to my entire order, though they said different sale items were supposed to be on sale on different days. I was able to get everything for the great price of $271.57 shipped.
I mention this because the Fortitude Gen 2 will officially be on sale this Friday for 20% Off, so that's $239.99 shipped !
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:o I guess Friday I am buying a new air rifle ???
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Pyramid Air is now using coupon code "RIBBON-20" for 20% off on the Fortitude Gen 2, $239.99 shipped.
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Wonder if the repeater receiver will ever be sold as parts and if it would be a bolt on for the Maximus/Disco/Lego guns.
Nevermind..... it's more like the Mrod.... just had a look.
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Wonder if the repeater receiver will ever be sold as parts and if it would be a bolt on for the Maximus/Disco/Lego guns.
Nevermind..... it's more like the Mrod.... just had a look.
Duct Tape works wonders ;D :o
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I prefer hose clamps.. ;)
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New in-stock date 5-31
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Wonder if the repeater receiver will ever be sold as parts and if it would be a bolt on for the Maximus/Disco/Lego guns.
Nevermind..... it's more like the Mrod.... just had a look.
Disco not a bolt on. Maximus need to drill 4 breech screw holes in air tube, and get a Fortitude valve and prod end cap.
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Pyramid Air is now using coupon code "RIBBON-20" for 20% off on the Fortitude Gen 2, $239.99 shipped.
Purchased my Fortitude on this same 20% sale a year ago. I'd expect your wait will not be as long as mine was.
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Thanks Big Cobra I've been going AG crazy lately this is exactly what I didn't need to see!!!! Great price though.
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New in-stock date 5-31
I asked Pyramid Air about that too, they said I'd definitely have it by Christmas....or my money back. ;) ;)
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New in-stock date 5-31
I asked Pyramid Air about that too, they said I'd definitely have it by Christmas....or my money back. ;) ;)
LMBO
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New in-stock date 5-31
Moved again, Now 6-5 :-[
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New in-stock date 5-31
Moved again, Now 6-5 :-[
Yep, Crosman is apparently having trouble getting enough Adamantium that they need to build their Gen 2 barrels.
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I'd be asking for interest on my pre-order money.
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:o I guess Friday I am buying a new air rifle ???
Guess what I didn't buy last Friday ;)
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Yeah... I've already gained and lost interest about 100 times now with this rifle lol.
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It is sad to see this weekly creep, given the gen 2 has already been in reviewer's hands.
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That's for sure. Seems to be a trend in the AG world. Oh well, if and when it comes out I'll probably get one but until then there isn't a darned thing I can do about it lol. Just like everyone else going through the same thing. Looks like a great little AG and keeps us salivating over it waiting anxiously till we can get our grubby little mitts on one!
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Looks like it's following in the footsteps of the Gauntlet. From the ongoing reviews it was worth the wait.
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I love Benjamin rifles so I'm sure it will be worth the wait as well.
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:o I guess Friday I am buying a new air rifle ???
Guess what I didn't buy last Friday ;)
Restraint is an admirable quality...
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All - We are working towards an attempt at perfection on this gun. We have made changes to what is acceptable. We have made changes in our assembly process, our leaking checking and our QA testing process all with the attempt at perfection. This has come at the cost of releasing the Fortitude. Does this mean that no one will get a "bad gun" from us? No but we are trying to eliminate as many of the issues as we can. For example one pilot had a leaking O-Ring in QA after test fire. This gun would have made it out of the building with a slight leak because it developed late. We did a root cause analysis on why it happened and made multiple changes to the manufacturing process of machining the tube, building the tube and testing the tube. This all takes time. As most of you know we have new ownership and new/better view of success. We have a great product warranty and customer service department but we don't want anyone to have to use it.
Thank you all for our continued patience and interest in this gun. It is driving me crazy that it isn't out there yet but we have held back for all the right reasons.
PS I was playing around (I mean testing) two randomly selected guns from QA. Both in .177. They averaged 871fps and 872fps with 7.9gr over 15 shots each with an extreme spread of 10fps.
Thanks,
John
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All - We are working towards an attempt at perfection on this gun. We have made changes to what is acceptable. We have made changes in our assembly process, our leaking checking and our QA testing process all with the attempt at perfection. This has come at the cost of releasing the Fortitude. Does this mean that no one will get a "bad gun" from us? No but we are trying to eliminate as many of the issues as we can. For example one pilot had a leaking O-Ring in QA after test fire. This gun would have made it out of the building with a slight leak because it developed late. We did a root cause analysis on why it happened and made multiple changes to the manufacturing process of machining the tube, building the tube and testing the tube. This all takes time. As most of you know we have new ownership and new/better view of success. We have a great product warranty and customer service department but we don't want anyone to have to use it.
Thank you all for our continued patience and interest in this gun. It is driving me crazy that it isn't out there yet but we have held back for all the right reasons.
PS I was playing around (I mean testing) two randomly selected guns from QA. Both in .177. They averaged 871fps and 872fps with 7.9gr over 15 shots each with an extreme spread of 10fps.
Thanks,
John
That sounds like a GREAT answer, I'd much rather wait a bit longer & receive a good working PCP than get it sooner & have a higher chance of issues.
Question: Was the 871 & 872 FPS derived from a "stock" power setting, or did you turn the power setting up to maximum ?
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Stock power. Should get 80ish shots at that setting.
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Wow! An actual shot string report from an insider!
FIRST TIME EVER
Keep it up!
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I do not understand why people are in a dire rush to get one ;D
I myself am interested in the Fortitude but I am willing to wait until it is perfected, as I have other airguns to play with ;D
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Never seen this - Pyramyd in stock is now back to 5-27!
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Thanks for the update and details John.
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I try and keep you all updated. I am excited for this gun to come out and for people to see the difference between the first one. I think you all will like the new fill nipple design as well as the improvements to the trigger and the bolt.
Thanks,
John
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I do not understand why people are in a dire rush to get one
Didn't you see the movie "A Christmas Story"? There's a bit of Ralphie in all of us ;)
And yes I almost lost my eye from a BB rifle and a fishing lure. Both can be dangerous. Go figure!
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Never seen this - Pyramyd in stock is now back to 5-27!
Probably not, that's Memorial Day.
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I'm waiting for the upgrades to my Gen 1's ... Yes Gen 1's I have a few of them !!!! ...Please keep me posted on that !!
wll
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Has anyone done anything to gen 1 other then trigger upgrade
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All - We are working towards an attempt at perfection on this gun. We have made changes to what is acceptable. We have made changes in our assembly process, our leaking checking and our QA testing process all with the attempt at perfection. This has come at the cost of releasing the Fortitude. Does this mean that no one will get a "bad gun" from us? No but we are trying to eliminate as many of the issues as we can. For example one pilot had a leaking O-Ring in QA after test fire. This gun would have made it out of the building with a slight leak because it developed late. We did a root cause analysis on why it happened and made multiple changes to the manufacturing process of machining the tube, building the tube and testing the tube. This all takes time. As most of you know we have new ownership and new/better view of success. We have a great product warranty and customer service department but we don't want anyone to have to use it.
Thank you all for our continued patience and interest in this gun. It is driving me crazy that it isn't out there yet but we have held back for all the right reasons.
PS I was playing around (I mean testing) two randomly selected guns from QA. Both in .177. They averaged 871fps and 872fps with 7.9gr over 15 shots each with an extreme spread of 10fps.
Thanks,
John
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My post here is meant to be helpful.
Some of the machined surfaces on my Crosman guns look like they were machined with VERY dull or even broken tools.
I've made millions of parts for the medical and aviation fields, where a poor finish will lose you a customer or kill someone. Some tools last a week or more, some one day, others maybe four hours or even less. You can't make a nice part with tooling that is no good. If a drill needs to be replaced every 3 hours, that's what you have to do.
If you need a 32 finish, you also need a decent tool made out of good material, with the proper geometry and reasonable speeds and feeds. And even when you do everything right, it will still wear out.
An operator actually needs to have a few seconds to look at the parts, and make tool changes as needed.
Hopefully the new owners cough up better tooling and tool maintenance.
Steve
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Steve - We were just talking about that here in the office. It is something that we are working on.
John
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Wondering why the Fortitude Gen 2 is not listed on Crosman's website with the other "New for 2019" airguns?
https://www.crosman.com/new-for-2019/new-for-2019-airguns (https://www.crosman.com/new-for-2019/new-for-2019-airguns)
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Glad I bought a marauder .177 this last weekend. Tired of waiting around for this gun. Now I have something to distract me for a while. Maybe by the time I get everything squared away the fortitude will be available for purchase. Or not lol.
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John - I am not sure why they are not on there. I will have to ask about that.
Chris - The MRod is an awesome gun. I hope you got it all "squared away" by now as the Fortitude Gen2s are shipping as I type this.
QA finished testing a random sample of the first 120 guns built on the line with good results. Management gave the green light based on the test data.
I am looking forward to hearing reviews especially from people who had a G1.
Thanks,
John S
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Any idea when the Gen 1 schematic will be available, so I can buy parts?
Looking to buy the air tube, valve and breech.
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John (Crosman Engineer), that is great news, G2's are shipping! I know many have said it, I too want to thank you for reaching out and keeping us informed.
Dave
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John (Crosman Engineer), that is great news, G2's are shipping! I know many have said it, I too want to thank you for reaching out and keeping us informed.
Dave
Good news all around! Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
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John - Not sure if/when the G1 schematics will be released.
You all are welcome. Me keeping you informed does nothing but help the company! You cannot buy what you don't know is available! Plus I am excited to get this gun out. I have a ton of time and effort into this thing!
We are also launching the Remington 1100 youth pump gun this week. This is also one of my projects.
Thanks,
John S
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John - Not sure if/when the G1 schematics will be released.
You all are welcome. Me keeping you informed does nothing but help the company! You cannot buy what you don't know is available! Plus I am excited to get this gun out. I have a ton of time and effort into this thing!
We are also launching the Remington 1100 youth pump gun this week. This is also one of my projects.
Thanks,
John S
John, I'm glad to hear that the Gen 2's are "shipping as you type", I've been waiting patiently for mine to get delivered.
Side note: I looked up your Remington 1100 youth pump gun, please add a sentence under your description about how many pumps it takes to fully pump the gun up. Also if you could also add that a certain low number of pumps equals this FPS, a mid number of pumps equals more FPS, and finally the max number of pumps equals 615 FPS.
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Robert - I just sent that to the project manager(s). The max velocities are at 10 pumps. Thanks for the feed back!
John
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Pyramid Air just called me....
My .22 Fortitude Gen 2 is in stock and SHIPPING TODAY !!!
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I, like many of us, are patiently waiting to see these in action.
I so hope the wait was worth it for ya'll.
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I, like many of us, are patiently waiting to see these in action.
I so hope the wait was worth it for ya'll.
When all the good news start coming in about it how are you going to justify to your better-half that you NEED ONE ;D :o ::)
I'm thinking you will probably have to start selling me one of your guns.......of my choice of course ;D
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All things are possible... ;)
But to be fair.... I am kinda taking a shine to that Umarex 10/22. It's difficult because I am a long time fan of Crosman. They are hands down winners in the CS department.
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I'm anxious to see opinions when you guys get the Gen 2. Hopefully we'll see some reviews in a week or two.
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I think the platform is really more suited for 177. Im anxious to hear fps and shot count from one.
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I think the platform is really more suited for 177. Im anxious to hear fps and shot count from one.
I differently agree with your pick.
If I were to get one down the road the 177 does look the most promising of the choice. Given the now wider choice of pellets for the 177 I think it's got the right stuff to take care of smaller varmints that raid the bird feeders year round. Makes for a good basement gun during the long winters here in Maine.
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Tracking says mine will be here Thursday!!! More info next week!!
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Pyramyd sent an email @ 7:01 this morning, my Fort is on its way and should be here Saturday!
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I am excited to see all of you with orders placed and guns on the way!
RDB - I would expect that people get the advertised shot counts and velocities. All reported numbers are with legit led pellets (7.9g for .177 and 14.3g for .22). The advertised specs were generated from QA testing of the first batch of G2s built by production.
Thanks,
John
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What's going to be the prize for the first person to do a review on these new arrivals?
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Ownership.... at last.
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Looking forward to the reviews! ;)
Knife
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It's sprinkling here just a little, so nothing in depth. Opened the box, cleaned the barrel, installed a scope, pumped her up to 3000, loaded a couple magazines and spent two magazines sighting in. It's more quiet than my Maximus with TKO. After fighting the trigger for three magazines, I pulled the Challenger unit from the Maximus and VOILA!! GREAT TRIGGER! At the least, lighter spring and two/three screw mod. Even better Challenger trigger. I gave a half-hearted attempt at a group, but darkness set in. It does show great promise. More info next week, velocity and hammer spring tuning. This is a UTG 4-16X56 on medium rings.
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It's sprinkling here just a little, so nothing in depth. Opened the box, cleaned the barrel, installed a scope, pumped her up to 3000, loaded a couple magazines and spent two magazines sighting in. It's more quiet than my Maximus with TKO. After fighting the trigger for three magazines, I pulled the Challenger unit from the Maximus and VOILA!! GREAT TRIGGER! At the least, lighter spring and two/three screw mod. Even better Challenger trigger. I gave a half-hearted attempt at a group, but darkness set in. It does show great promise. More info next week, velocity and hammer spring tuning. This is a UTG 4-16X56 on medium rings.
awesome. Ken, did the trigger group install without any spacer shim needed?
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My interest in this gun is purely because I was wowed by the initial, pre-release, of the Gen 1 model. Then I saw the Nova Freedom and later the Seneca Aspen.
The Fortitude may end up being a really good PCP and I may end up owning one, but I got tired of waiting. Not to mention I did not have to purchase a pump, bottle, etc for the Freedom.
Sorry... just my 2¢'s ;)
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Ken..
Can you elaborate on the trigger swap? Is it drop in and does the double action still work?
Better yet, maybe you can start your own review thread.
Thanks for sharing.
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It's sprinkling here just a little, so nothing in depth. Opened the box, cleaned the barrel, installed a scope, pumped her up to 3000, loaded a couple magazines and spent two magazines sighting in. It's more quiet than my Maximus with TKO. After fighting the trigger for three magazines, I pulled the Challenger unit from the Maximus and VOILA!! GREAT TRIGGER! At the least, lighter spring and two/three screw mod. Even better Challenger trigger. I gave a half-hearted attempt at a group, but darkness set in. It does show great promise. More info next week, velocity and hammer spring tuning. This is a UTG 4-16X56 on medium rings.
That doesn't sound good. The trigger is one of the things they paid special attention to in the Gen 2, wasn't it?
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Good to hear it's finally getting shipped out to customers. It will be interesting to hear more about it.
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Tommy - no spacer. If it shows signs of excessive drag, I will install one.
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It is still the disco/Maximus/2260 trigger group. ;) The Gen 1 Fortitude's very heavy hammer spring made it worse than the prior applications. It should now be more equivalent to disco/max/2260's. The Gen 1 Mrod/Challenger trigger assy is much better, and I had no issues putting one on the Gen 1 Fortitude.
As far as ATI Liberty's and Freedom's, pretty much an apples and oranges comparison. Freedoms are in a class by themselves with the integrated pump. The Fortitude is much lighter and less bulky, and you won't have to worry about future part support. ;)
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Tommy - no spacer. If it shows signs of excessive drag, I will install one.
cool. I hope you do a full review.
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Tommy - no spacer. If it shows signs of excessive drag, I will install one.
Ken , how's the bolt feel, is it smooth cocking?
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Nothing to compare it to. But, it is as smooth as my Maximus. The longer travel took a little getting used to for me. When the sun breaks, I will do some chrony work, and see how the hammer spring adjustment effects things.
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Nothing to compare it to. But, it is as smooth as my Maximus. The longer travel took a little getting used to for me. When the sun breaks, I will do some chrony work, and see how the hammer spring adjustment effects things.
awesome
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Pyramid Air showed my order getting delivered today,...but all I got was a partial shipment with a box of Hades pellets. >:(
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Ken..
Can you elaborate on the trigger swap? Is it drop in and does the double action still work?
Better yet, maybe you can start your own review thread.
Thanks for sharing.
Bill, it is almost a direct swap. The trigger guard opening in the stock has to be extended forward. I had already done this for my Maximus, swapped trigger and stock.
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Ken..
Can you elaborate on the trigger swap? Is it drop in and does the double action still work?
Better yet, maybe you can start your own review thread.
Thanks for sharing.
Bill, it is almost a direct swap. The trigger guard opening in the stock has to be extended forward. I had already done this for my Maximus, swapped trigger and stock.
Maybe the wood disco stock would be drop in without stock mod?
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It is.
There is one guy here who did just that.
I thinkmhe has 2 Gen 1 Forts.
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It would also fit into one of Boyd's AT ONE stocks as well, he offers two styles of this stock. Traditional grip and thumbhole. They are bad to the bone. If the reviews on the gen 2 are good I will be getting one for my wife and adding the thumbhole stock. They are a little pricey at 200 but I think it would be an awesome upgrade to this little rifle.
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The guy's handle is wll2506.
I have seen his Fort attached to a Disco stock.
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Yes the Gen1 was a drop in fit for the disco wood stock and the gen2 should be as well.
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Yes the Gen1 was a drop in fit for the disco wood stock and the gen2 should be as well.
Sounds like if the gun is great swap the trigger to the gen 1, add a disco stock and woohooo, good to go
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My .22 Fortitude Gen 2 arrived yesterday. It is small looking and weighs two pounds less than my Marauder F&T .177, it handles easily.
The trigger needs some refinement or maybe my trigger finger needs to do some strengthening exercises.
I mounted a new Discovery scope and laser bore sighted it in the hallway at a distance of 17 yards and ran out of up adjustment. Went to the range and at 25 yards pellets were hitting an inch low so now I have to shim and start over.
I shot only 30 pellets (Crosman domes 14.3? grain) in windy conditions and groups looked tight but I was more concerned with the scope than groups so more later.
Here is the paperwork that came along with the rifle.
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John,
I thought I saw in some write-up, maybe on HAM, that the Gen 2 was going to be easier to adjust the regulator. Is that true? I assume that meant without pulling all the parts. My guess would be a new gauge block to get access to the reg with a special tool. If true, can you elaborate on this?
John
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John - The hammer spring is now adjustable. The regulator would require you to break down the pressure tube and have a fixture to test the reg pressure. So no it is not really customer adjustable. Sorry.
Barry - We achieved reduced cocking effort by changing the hammer spring and reducing the load on the sear.
I have not tested it myself but as I understand it the Fortitude will drop into a Disco stock.
John
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Thx for the clarification. It must have been wishful thinking. ;)
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Pyramid Air showed my order getting delivered today,...but all I got was a partial shipment with a box of Hades pellets. >:(
Got my real tracking number yesterday, my Gen 2 will arrive on Monday.
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That is exciting news Robert! Looking forward to hearing the how you like it.
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I hope you'll get a good one Robert.. It will mean finally Crosman see the competition as a reel treat and the customers as a valuable asset to their company..
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That is exciting news Robert! Looking forward to hearing the how you like it.
I hope you'll get a good one Robert.. It will mean finally Crosman see the competition as a reel treat and the customers as a valuable asset to their company..
As long as I get a good one, it will have been worth the wait.