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Airguns by Make and Model => Diana Airguns => Topic started by: Steelontarget on September 03, 2017, 02:41:00 PM
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I can't stand it anymore. I've read enough review articles and watched the YouTube videos repeatedly for more times than I care to admit. It's driving me crazy.
I need another air rifle like I need another ex-wife but I am so close to pulling out the debit card for the Diana Mauser K98.
I had a mint K98 several years ago along with (violin music plays in background now) a Swedish M41B sniper rifle. During my marriage to Lady MacBeth I was forced to sell off the collection of WWI and WWII era weapons. The Mausers were a couple of those classics that I miss a lot.
I got a little pocket change saved up and I don't have to answer to Lady MacBeth anymore. So I'm about ready to pull the trigger on the purchase of the Diana K98. I can think of lot of reasons that I don't need another air rifle.
On the other hand, there is the koooool factor of the K98 that keeps me up at night and feeds my obsession with this rifle. I can also see the practicality of the side-mounted sling on an air rifle whilst carrying it in the woods.
Besides that, there are some scopes in a box that are begging to be mounted on an air rifle. Yes, they talk to me and I hear their voices telling me that they need to be appreciated on an air rifle. Admit it. Some of you people hear those same voices. So don't lie to me.
I feel like Squints and his burning infatuation with Wendy Peffercorn. He even risks his own life to get a kiss from her. Only, I just want to pull the trigger, again, on another K98.
The airgun sellers know exactly what they are doing when they put that rifle up on their web sites in glorious color. And now there's a seller (who shall remain nameless) that has a Labor Day special for their merchandise :'( They're not any better than Wendy Peffercorn!
(http://i.imgur.com/rmwB39C.png)
Someone please talk me out of it! (https://www.all4shooters.com/en/imgres/600x/Shooting/rifles/Diana-Mauser-K98-air-carbine/Diana-K98-carbine.jpg)
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Sorry, can't help you here. I'd love one of them too. Even if only just to look at.
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Sorry, can't help you here. I'd love one of them too. Even if only just to look at.
Why don't you just yell "jump!" for gosh sakes? I need help. Is there anyone that can talk me out of it?
That nameless air gun seller's site is open on the next tab. If someone doesn't say something soon, I swear I'm gonna do it!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/99/64/16/996416657aa0f05d9d2fffc1cedf9b35.jpg)
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Hey steel,
Buy another Swedish M41B sniper rifle. Why settle for less than the Real Deal :P
You second picture of the German girl holding the rifle is impressive though :D.
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Hey steel,
Buy another Swedish M41B sniper rifle. Why settle for less than the Real Deal :P
You second picture of the German girl holding the rifle is impressive though :D.
You are really killing me now. Why don't you just push me off the bridge while you're yelling "jump?"
I saw one on Gun Broker for $2099. That's about four times more than the Diana with accessories. It's so pretty but I can shoot the Diana for a lot less and indoors too!
I can't make up my mind whether I like German girls or Swedish girls more. Then again, I had a girlfriend who was both Swedish and German. Big mistake in breaking up with her. Okay, I know everyone is thinking it. So get it over with and call me an idiot for letting her go and marrying Lady MacBeth.
Does anyone know if they make Swedish airgun scopes that I can put on the Diana?
(http://m1garand.net/M1Pics/Chris/m41b/800.jpg)
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Don't know about Swedish scopes but if you find one, you're gonna hafta buy the rifle to put it on since the rifle was why you went looking for it, sooooo......
I know, not one bit of help, huh ::)
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If your looking for help your in the wrong place...we all got problems and only thing we can help with is spending your money ;D not gonna lie I'm not into springers but that's a gun that has always caught my attention
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I come here looking for help and I get nothing. I hope you people are satisfied.
The rifle is supposed to arrive on the 7th. I ordered the Air Venturi spring compressor as well. Hopefully, I won't need to do any tuning but that seemed like a good excuse to order the spring compressor.
The nail-biting continues until the 7th. I suppose you all will want a detailed review of my Diana.
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We helped you order the gun you wanted. Your welcome! ;D
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We helped you order the gun you wanted. Your welcome! ;D
I suppose that you are going to want to see pictures along with the review.
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Sorry, can't help you here. I'd love one of them too. Even if only just to look at.
That nameless air gun seller's site is open on the next tab. If someone doesn't say something soon, I swear I'm gonna do it!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/99/64/16/996416657aa0f05d9d2fffc1cedf9b35.jpg)
Kinda thinking no matter what we might have said, you already had the tab open and the debit card on the desk...lol
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Sorry, can't help you here. I'd love one of them too. Even if only just to look at.
That nameless air gun seller's site is open on the next tab. If someone doesn't say something soon, I swear I'm gonna do it!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/99/64/16/996416657aa0f05d9d2fffc1cedf9b35.jpg)
Kinda thinking no matter what we might have said, you already had the tab open and the debit card on the desk...lol
You didn't even try to help me. If this screen could talk, I swear I could hear your voice yelling, "jump! jump!"
I hope this rifle shoots as good as the reviews say it does. Cause if it does, I'm going to fill this thread up with so much K98 porn that you'll be grabbing your debit card. And it serves you right! If I was going crazy because of the K98 someone else ought to suffer as well.
BTW, the nameless airgun seller's initials are PA and the Labor Day special lasts until the 6th.
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We helped you order the gun you wanted. Your welcome! ;D
I suppose that you are going to want to see pictures along with the review.
Of course ::)
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If you came to a 13,000+ member air rifle forum and expected us to talk you OUT of buying an air rifle, I'm just lost for words here...lololololololololol
I had 3 when I joined looking for trigger info and 2 years later, now own 26 and well, pretty much everything else that goes along with them...very bad place to seek help about NOT buying an air gun ;D
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If you came to a 13,000+ member air rifle forum and expected us to talk you OUT of buying an air rifle, I'm just lost for words here...lololololololololol
I had 3 when I joined looking for trigger info and 2 years later, now own 26 and well, pretty much everything else that goes along with them...very bad place to seek help about NOT buying an air gun ;D
Well I couldn't go talk with Lady MacBeth about it. It also sounds like you need a K98 to add to your collection.
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If you came to a 13,000+ member air rifle forum and expected us to talk you OUT of buying an air rifle, I'm just lost for words here...lololololololololol
I had 3 when I joined looking for trigger info and 2 years later, now own 26 and well, pretty much everything else that goes along with them...very bad place to seek help about NOT buying an air gun ;D
Well I couldn't go talk with Lady MacBeth about it. It also sounds like you need a K98 to add to your collection.
Not me, I just bought this and except for about $400, wiped out my bank account so it's gonna be awhile before I make another gun purchase....
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Here is the link to Tom Gaylord's review of the Diana K98. https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2017/02/diana-k98-pellet-rifle-part-5/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2017/02/diana-k98-pellet-rifle-part-5/)
Now if they could start making air rifles that look like the SMLE .303, 1903 Springfield, M-1 Garand, 30-40 Krag and Trapdoor Springfields then I would be very close to air gun nirvana.
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The Diana is a whole bunch cheaper than the real thing... :-[
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The extra weight over a 460 should help calm it down.
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I can't wait for your report. I too am very interested in that air rifle.
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I could never see the point of replica airguns. Molding function to form seems backwards.
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I do love shooting the powder burners too but it can get mighty pricey if you plan on shooting a bunch.
I've only fired the K98 a few times but they're a good action and very accurate.
I've got more replica pistols than I need but I think out of all of them I enjoy the John Wayne Duke in pellet.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4356/36004311620_78450bf859_b.jpg)
I really love shooting a single action colt/colt style pistol.
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I do love shooting the powder burners too but it can get mighty pricey if you plan on shooting a bunch.
I've only fired the K98 a few times but they're a good action and very accurate.
I've got more replica pistols than I need but I think out of all of them I enjoy the John Wayne Duke in pellet.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4356/36004311620_78450bf859_b.jpg)
I really love shooting a single action colt/colt style pistol.
I know what you mean. I almost got the Webley MK VI. It brings out the Indiana Jones in me. The only thing that stopped me was that it was for BBs and they already have a pellet version in Europe. So I decided to wait for the pellet version to show up here. That's another thing I can't stand; waiting for a pellet version of the Webley MK VI. In the meantime, does anyone know where I can get a good bullwhip?
(http://replicaairguns.squarespace.com/storage/thumbnails/7262430-26347508-thumbnail.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1435345925180)(http://www.rookscastle.com/photos/lc_webley1.jpg)
My CO2 dream gun would also be a pellet version of the Webley–Fosbery Automatic Revolver. Alas, we can only dream.
(http://www.lsbauctions.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_1431-Large.jpg)
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I do love shooting the powder burners too but it can get mighty pricey if you plan on shooting a bunch.
I've only fired the K98 a few times but they're a good action and very accurate.
I've got more replica pistols than I need but I think out of all of them I enjoy the John Wayne Duke in pellet.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4356/36004311620_78450bf859_b.jpg)
I really love shooting a single action colt/colt style pistol.
I know what you mean. I almost got the Webley MK VI. It brings out the Indiana Jones in me. The only thing that stopped me was that it was for BBs and they already have a pellet version in Europe. So I decided to wait for the pellet version to show up here. That's another thing I can't stand; waiting for a pellet version of the Webley MK VI. In the meantime, does anyone know where I can get a good bullwhip?
(http://replicaairguns.squarespace.com/storage/thumbnails/7262430-26347508-thumbnail.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1435345925180)(http://www.rookscastle.com/photos/lc_webley1.jpg)
My CO2 dream gun would also be a pellet version of the Webley–Fosbery Automatic Revolver. Alas, we can only dream.
(http://www.lsbauctions.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_1431-Large.jpg)
Never handled one in real life. But the break open webleys seem neat.
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Btw, Indiana Jones Rocks!
Dan Wallace is Indiana Jones in real life. No joke.
look it up.
http://www.csntm.org/ (http://www.csntm.org/)
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Btw, Indiana Jones Rocks!
Dan Wallace is Indiana Jones in real life. No joke.
look it up.
http://www.csntm.org/ (http://www.csntm.org/)
Thanks for the link. I'll have to read it when it's not so late.
I've handled quite a few Webleys but didn't get one because of the ammunition.
Webley supposedly had plans to start making it again in .455 and .357 and call it the MK VIII.
I have the Schofield in .45 colt but waiting for a pellet version instead of the BB variant.
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*EDIT* I just realized that I was using the term piston sleeve instead of sliding compression chamber. Changed accordingly below. Sorry for any confusion.
I got the rifle this evening but too late to take it to the outdoor range to see how she performs. So, I shot it at the indoor targets at 7 yards.
I hate to admit it but my eyes aren't what they used to be. The Mauser front sight is really hard to see. I can still make out the front sight of the M-1 Garand and the 1903 Springfield as well as the aperture front sights of my other target rifles but the Mauser causes me problems.
Nevertheless, I've attached my best and worst targets for this evening shot from a rest at 7 yards. I will be mounting a scope on it in the morning and take it to the outdoor range in the afternoon.
The sling won't get here until Monday. With that said, I am going to hold off on squirrel hunting with this beast. I can carry heavy rifles with the best of them but still prefer a sling.
My hearing isn't the best so I'm not the one to ask if the Diana is a "twanger." However, I could feel it in the stock. This thing will bark and move when you pull the trigger.
I removed the stock to take a peek at the internals and it looked like the spring didn't have much lubricant on it, if any. Which would explain why I could hear the spring compressing a little when cocking the rifle. So I only added a couple of drops of Beeman spring oil on the spring. A few dozen pellets later and the rifle sounded normal.
My first shots were from a seated position with a Primos tripod for a rest; using my hand underneath the forend. With the butt resting on the floor between my legs, the rifle wasn't difficult to cock at all. I used one hand to get the cocking lever started on the downward stroke then when it was half-way through its travel, I used the left hand to help bring it down the rest of the way.
A word of caution is in order here. The safety is very easy to move from the SAFE to the FIRE position. I soon discovered that, from a seated position, if I bumped the top rear portion of the rifle against my left leg while raising it to my shoulder that I would inadvertently bump the safety to FIRE.
When I cocked the rifle from a standing position I didn't have a problem with the smooth metal butt plate slipping off my leg. When cocking the rifle, I placed the butt plate to where the top portion would be slightly touching the pelvic bone that protrudes below the waistline on my left side. The butt plate is angled to align itself with the area where the top inner thigh meets the groin.
I hope that is a little clearer than motor oil. Then I take my right hand and move the cocking lever down while steadying the rifle with my left hand. About the time that the cocking lever gets half-way through its travel, I bend forward, taking my left hand around the left side of the rifle to grab the cocking lever so both hands will be moving it in the downward stroke.
While moving the left hand around the left side of the rifle to the cocking lever, my upper body will naturally bend downward and also result in the rifle being cradled by the upper torso with the part of the receiver near the loading port near the pocket of my left shoulder. At this point, I am almost hugging the rifle while the butt plate is secured in the "groove" between the upper thigh and the groin.
This sounds odd but that rifle isn't going anywhere because that butt plate isn't slipping. So I continue pulling down on the cocking lever with both hands until it latches. Now I can straighten up with my left hand holding the cocking lever down and keeping the butt plate in the thigh-groin area. Now my right hand is free to grab a pellet and load it.
Speaking of loading; I only dropped one pellet tonight. So I shook the rifle and it fell through the opening below the breech of the barrel. Much has been said about the rear sight interfering with placing the pellet in the barrel.
That presented a little bit of a challenge. Now keep in mind that my left hand will not come off the cocking lever. I want to keep my fingers.
So I grab the pellet and with it between the thumb and first finger, I feel for the end of the barrel and align the point of the pellet with the breech. Once it's started in the breech, I use my thumb to push the pellet in the rest of the way.
All this was pretty easy but my hands weren't cold or wet either. This was also with a .177 pellet weighing 10.5 grains.
Before getting the rifle I researched the use of breech blocks for cleaning and discovered some ingenious solutions. You will want something to block the sliding compression chamber from slamming shut on your fingers while cleaning the barrel.
I decided to keep things simple. I cut a 5/8" dowel rod to a little less than 2.2 inches in length.
Then I drilled a hole about 3/8 inches from the end for a string to go through with knots tied so it won't slip through the hole.
I pull the cocking lever down far enough to put the dowel rod in the breech so it rests on the bottom of the compression tube. You will find that the round dowel rod will naturally want to come to rest in the bottom and align itself with the slot at the bottom.
Once the dowel rod is in place, slowly permit the cocking lever to retract until the compression chamber has stopped moving forward because of the dowel rod.
Now you are free to clean the barrel with whatever method you choose without fear of the action slamming shut on your fingers.
After cleaning, move the cocking lever down far enough to allow the removal of the dowel rod by pulling on the string. Once the dowel rod is clear, you can allow the cocking lever to slowly return to the position against the barrel. And the rifle is NOT cocked. So you don't have to worry about putting a pellet in the gun and firing it to decompress the spring.
Hopefully the photos will help explain everything.
In summary, my initial impressions of the rifle are good. It's a powerful air gun. The trigger is better than I expected. The first stage pull is a little long but not real heavy. The second stage breaks clean but light enough that I'm not struggling to keep the sights aligned while pulling the trigger.
I will have more details later.
Thanks to everyone for their failure to talk me out of getting the rifle.
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I took the rifle to the range yesterday and it turned out that I could not get enough elevation to bring the point of impact up at the zero distance of 30 yards. So the rest of the session was spent shooting the rifle with iron sights; which for my eyes are hard to see now.
Nevertheless, I have attached at target from yesterday in which I managed to get about a 2-inch group.
The light was not good enough for chronograph readings so I fell back on another scientific test. I call it the can-of-creamed-corn test. If the pellet can penetrate a can of creamed corn at 30 yards, then it will go through a squirrel’s skull and is good enough for me. See the attached photo.
I will be putting on another scope and make another try today.
On three occasions, when I shot the rifle it sounded like a .22 LR went off creating quite a surprise.
The cause was traced to the cocking lever coming unlatched and falling down due to a slight bump on the bags. This in turn would not allow the compression chamber to remain in place during the firing sequence, causing air to escape and sounding like a .22 LR!
This was not noticed as I was behind the rifle and did not feel the lever moving out of position prior to firing.
I also noticed a small spring in the cocking mechanism had fallen out of place. So I took the stock off the rifle then stretched the spring with a couple of needle-nose pliers. That solved that problem. See the attached photos.
I was up until midnight looking for a solution to keep the cocking lever in place. The fact that it can come unlatched prior to firing the rifle is unacceptable.
The RWS 460 owner’s manual addresses this problem with an adjustment of the retaining mechanism under the front sight. However, this will not work as the K98 sight is not like the 460. The only latch keeping it in place is a spring-loaded latch inside the forward most barrel band.
I inspected the inside of the barrel band where the latch and spring reside and figured that putting a stronger spring may not even solve the problem of the cocking lever unlatching.
After much experimentation, trial and error I decided to use strips of adhesive backed Velcro.
Okay, I will give you a few minutes to stop laughing then you can continue reading and look at the attached photos.
When you turn the rifle upside down, notice how there is some space between the barrel bands and the cocking lever. I thought that if I could put some sort of “snubber” in place to block the movement of the cocking lever then my problem would be solved.
I hope I am using the correct term “snubber.” If not, please feel free to correct me. The snubbers in this case must be thick enough to stop any inadvertent movement of the cocking lever but thin enough that it can still be moved out of position for cocking with a little finger pressure.
The material that I came up with for the snubber was the Velcro strip with adhesive backing. Take a look at the photos before reading any further.
Notice that the Velcro strips are cut to fit and stuck on the inside of the barrel bands. A couple of important points now need to be made.
1) Don’t use the Velcro strip that feels like cloth or shag carpet. It is too thick and will retain moisture. Use the coarse or rough feeling Velcro strip.
2) Cut the strips to the size that they will NOT be touching the cocking lever once it is latched. That causes too much an additional force needed to unlatch the cocking lever. Remember that you want enough of an impediment to prevent inadvertent movement but not so much that you will wear out your fingers after 2-3 shots.
The solution to sizing the Velcro snubbers is to cut them so that they will only contact the cocking lever during its travel in and out of the barrel bands. After they are cut to size and pressed in place, they will be barely touching the cocking lever at the 4 and 8 o’clock positions as if you were looking at the muzzle end of the rifle.
The thickness and friction inherent in the Velcro prevents additional movement of the cocking lever if it is set down with too much force on a rest for shooting. I could have used only two Velcro strips but found that it was not enough to prevent movement of the cocking lever when I shook the rifle really hard.
I’m not satisfied with “safe enough.” I want it really safe. So I installed a total of 4 Velcro strips inside of both barrel bands with the aforementioned method. After that, I shook the rifle as hard as I could and the cocking lever remained latched.
If you modify your rifle this way, you will find that it takes only a little more finger pressure to unlatch the cocking lever to cock the rifle. I shot it some more at my indoor target after the modification and haven’t had any problems with sore fingers.
The only worry that I have with the DIY Velcro snubbers is the bluing may eventually wear off the cocking lever. However, I have noticed a little bluing coming off where it comes into contact with the latch and barrel bands anyway. That is the price that I will pay to keep the rifle safe.
The wrench supplied with the rifle is used to remove the barrel nut in front of the front sight to remove the sight, barrel bands, wood pieces of the stock and a couple of barrel sleeves.
Between the barrel bands and one of the sleeves are a couple of O-rings. I noticed that one of the O-rings was bulging out of place. I experimented with different O-rings on hand to stop the bulging but came to the conclusion that it is not causing any major problems. Besides, O-rings are easy to replace if that one breaks.
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you were, most likely, warned by many, that this is a forum of enablers... ;D ;)...you have only yourself to blame! ;D ;D ;D
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you were, most likely, warned by many, that this is a forum of enablers... ;D ;)...you have only yourself to blame! ;D ;D ;D
Yep; it's sort of like going to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting at a sports bar.
I shot it yesterday with a 3X crossbow scope on it as I couldn't get enough elevation with an old Burris airgun scope. I even added shims to the Burris and still couldn't get enough elevation.
I chose the crossbow scope as a stop-gap measure as it's better than the iron sights and the parallax is set at 20 yards. So shooting at 20 and beyond isn't a problem.
Nevertheless, I still wasn't satisfied with that scope on the rifle. So I took a 4-12X-40 AO Vortex off of my S&W M&P 15-22 and put it on my lovely Diana K98.
This is the part where I felt like a spoiled teenage girl trying on dozens of prom dresses.
Then I took the matte finish 4-12X Burris Airgun scope off of the Beeman R7 and put it on the S&W M&P 15-22 because the glossy finish Burris was cosmetically out of place on the latter.
Then I took the glossy finish 4-12X Burris Airgun scope and put it on the R7.
Now everyone is happy (I hope). I say that because I'm worried that I may not be able to get enough elevation out of the Burris scope that is now on the M&P 15-22 to get it zeroed in at 50 yards.
Both the R7 and the K98 are on the paper at 7 yards in my indoor range. They should be close at 30 yards at the outdoor range.
I wanted to put a straight 6X scope on the K98 but haven't seen any that I like or can afford at this time. The 4-12X-40 AO Vortex appears to be an anachronism on the K98. But then again, the entire air rifle is an anachronism because it doesn't have a bolt and other things.
Regardless of all that, when I shoulder the K98, the Vortex scope feels just right for that rifle. That gives me an idea for a children's book; "Goldilocks and The Three Rifles."
I forgot to mention that with the 3X scope I was getting 1 inch groups with the K98 at 30 yards. Hopefully I can improve on that with the Vortex scope.
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I feel your pain.Pull the trigger.
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I feel your pain.Pull the trigger.
Oh well; if you insist.
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Long journey.
Very interesting solution....
Do the pellets just pierce one side of the can of corn or do they go all the way through? ::)
-Y
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Long journey.
Very interesting solution....
Do the pellets just pierce one side of the can of corn or do they go all the way through? ::)
-Y
The pellets, at 30 yards, penetrate the can to the other side. The attached photo is of the back side of the can.
Recall what I said about the cocking lever coming unlatched; causing the compression chamber to move back during the firing sequence. That's why it sounded like a .22 LR.
To ensure that the rifle hadn't blown a seal or succumbed to other damage that day I shot a soup can filled with water from 30 yards. The pellet penetrated the other side leaving a thirty caliber exit hole.
Because I didn't have the chronograph I measured the drop from the thirty yard zero range at 40, 50 and 60 yards. The pellet dropped about 1, 3 & 6 inches respectively. Based on the amount of drop at those distances, my best estimate of muzzle velocity for the 10.5 grain pellet is approximately 780 FPS.
Much has been said about how heavy the rifle is. Using my luggage scale the rifle weighs 10.8 lbs with the Vortex scope. By comparison, my FWB 300S weighs 10.92 with an attached hand stop. My Beeman R1 with Vortex scope weighs 10.26 pounds.
My best guess as to why the rifle seems so heavy is, well, because it is! Seriously, it must seem to weigh so much more than some other air rifles is because of the barrel and cocking lever creating a massive moment-arm. This, in turn, gives the person holding the rifle the impression of being disproportionately heavy.
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I attempted to adjust the trigger and when turning the screw for the 1st stage weight, I felt a little resistance and half of the screw head broke off (#3 in the diagram below). A call was placed to Umarex this morning and they are sending me a couple of extra screws. The good news is that the trigger pull is right where I want it.
(http://www.airguntech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/new_t06_Trigger-450x148.jpg)
I spent quite a bit of time with the rifle at the range. It can shoot better than I can. It was so much fun to shoot that it was really hard to put down. It got quite a few curious looks. Before they realized it was an air rifle, a few folks were wondering about the missing bolt.
I was able to hit some cheese balls at 27 yards about 90% of the time. The paint balls at that distance were a little more challenging.
A variety of steel swingers were set up between 30 and 50 yards. The smallest 30 yard spinner was about 3/4" diameter. I was able to hit it about 99% of the time. At the 50 yard line, I placed a 2 1/2" steel chicken spinner and hit it about 75% of the time.
Attached are a couple of groups that I shot at 30 yards.
Overall, I'd give the rifle 4 1/2 stars. It would get 5 stars but for the broken trigger adjustment screw and the problem with the cocking arm dropping. Once I used the velcro snubbers or shims or whatever you want to call them the rifle is a real pleasure to shoot.
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I can't make up my mind whether I like German girls or Swedish girls more. Then again, I had a girlfriend who was both Swedish and German. Big mistake in breaking up with her. Okay, I know everyone is thinking it. So get it over with and call me an idiot for letting her go and marrying Lady MacBeth.
Being a half German and half Swedish woman myself, I can attest to the magnitude of your foolish mistake, as can a few less-than-savvy fellas in my personal history, lol..
We are what we are, the best of both worlds...
For those without personal experience, think Vulcan/Romulan half-breed, but with blonde hair, blue eyes, and lovely lines, and you'll get the idea..
:-) chickie
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I can't make up my mind whether I like German girls or Swedish girls more. Then again, I had a girlfriend who was both Swedish and German. Big mistake in breaking up with her. Okay, I know everyone is thinking it. So get it over with and call me an idiot for letting her go and marrying Lady MacBeth.
Being a half German and half Swedish woman myself, I can attest to the magnitude of your foolish mistake, as can a few less-than-savvy fellas in my personal history, lol..
We are what we are, the best of both worlds...
For those without personal experience, think Vulcan/Romulan half-breed, but with blonde hair, blue eyes, and lovely lines, and you'll get the idea..
:-) chickie
Rather than try to figure out what that would look like (because I don't watch Star Trek) I "googled it" and came up with this, which ain't bad:
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On the other hand, I'm trying to get these images out of my head:
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Bwahahaaa!!
I was thinkin' more along the lines of temperment/skills than actual facial features, lol..
You know, half super-civilized and half conqueror/barbarian, but both of the same original lineage...
Looks-wise, I think I have better bone structure than either Vulcans or Romulans, thank goodness!!
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Bwahahaaa!!
I was thinkin' more along the lines of temperment/skills than actual facial features, lol..
You know, half super-civilized and half conqueror/barbarian, but both of the same original lineage...
Looks-wise, I think I have better bone structure than either Vulcans or Romulans, thank goodness!!
That shows you how shallow my thinking is :-[
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Bwahahaaa!!
I was thinkin' more along the lines of temperment/skills than actual facial features, lol..
You know, half super-civilized and half conqueror/barbarian, but both of the same original lineage...
Looks-wise, I think I have better bone structure than either Vulcans or Romulans, thank goodness!!
That shows you how shallow my thinking is :-[
My thinking can run very shallow at times, hun, no worries! It's a HUMAN thing, ha! ::)
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I took the K98 to the range the other day and the light was still to bad for a chronograph. However, there was gentleman there with a doppler radar chronograph.
I shot a round by it and it clocked a 10.5 grain pellet at 711 FPS. That seems a little anemic to me. So I decided to order a spring kit from Vortek.
BTW, I decided to try some cheap Crosman hollow point 7.9 grain pellets and got better groups with them but didn't get a chance to chronograph them.
What does everyone else think about the pellet speed for the 10.5 grain pellet? By comparison, my Beeman R9 before the Vortek kit was shooting the same pellet at 761 FPS.
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sounds like you, rather your rifle, needs a tune....
Should be plenty of info on tuning the base rifle its built on. FWIW, adding a heavier spring may actually make it perform worse, or be so violent to shoot its not any fun..... you'll have to balance your speed/power desires against the "shootibillity" of the gun. heavier spring may making cocking more difficult.
And do some research just on making spring guns shoot "better" (a word that'll be defined in a number of ways). many are easy to to do and will add up to making it an even sweeter gun......
oh and keep us informed. Im sure youve given the bug to a few GTA members.....
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sounds like you, rather your rifle, needs a tune....
Should be plenty of info on tuning the base rifle its built on. FWIW, adding a heavier spring may actually make it perform worse, or be so violent to shoot its not any fun..... you'll have to balance your speed/power desires against the "shootibillity" of the gun. heavier spring may making cocking more difficult.
And do some research just on making spring guns shoot "better" (a word that'll be defined in a number of ways). many are easy to to do and will add up to making it an even sweeter gun......
oh and keep us informed. Im sure youve given the bug to a few GTA members.....
Mea culpa! Mea culpa! I can't leave well enough alone.
You are correct, that speed isn't everything. If only I could get just a few more FPS out of it....
Besides the couple of imperfections that I ran into, I really like this gun. It makes me wonder if I should get the 460 that it's based off of. Okay, I have to get that thought out of my head. It can cost me too much money.
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I installed the Vortek kit and got a replacement 1st stage trigger adjustment screw from Umarex.
Recall that the Crosman Premier Heavy pellet at 10.5 grains chronographed at 711 FPS with the doppler radar chronograph.
I measured the average speed for three different pellets on my Chrony today:
Crosman Premier Hollow Point 7.9 grains - 989.9 FPS average
Crosman Premier Heavy 10.5 grains ------ 843.2 FPS average (That's an improvement of over 132 FPS over the stock spring but I doubt that the Vortek would bring it up that much)
H&N Baracuda Match 10.34 grains -------- 829.4 FPS average
The only reason that I can think that the H&N pellet was slower than the heavier Crosman pellet of 10.5 grains was because the H&N was a tighter fit in the barrel.
The K98 likes the cheap 7.9 grain pellets over the heavier pellets. I didn't bother trying any match wadcutter ammunition as I'm getting a little less than 1 inch groups at 30 yards.
The Crosman Heavy and the H&N pellets spread out a little more at that distance. So, I decided to stick with the lighter pellet. Plus it is so cheap at Wally World. Everytime I'm in there, I buy out their remaining stock of that pellet.
I used the Vortek spring compressor to install the spring kit and it performed as advertised. It was the 2nd time that I used it and it makes taking apart a spring gun sort of fun.
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Maybe your mates led you astray. Should have right of return if not completely satisfied. If it is not a better shooter than any other German air rifle then it is just a marketing ploy to grab American money. Gamo do it all the time now Diana are in to the same practice.
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Maybe your mates led you astray. Should have right of return if not completely satisfied. If it is not a better shooter than any other German air rifle then it is just a marketing ploy to grab American money. Gamo do it all the time now Diana are in to the same practice.
You are correct. However, I found this rifle to be easier to work on than the Beeman/Weihrauch rifles.
Once I got a couple of bugs worked out on the K98, I really like it. It's heavier than the Beeman/Weihrauch rifles but not much more than my R1 but weighs less than the FWB 300s.
So the weight issue is a moot point with me. Besides, I was not satisfied with the Beemans and Weihrauchs; so I "Vorteked" them as well.
Now that I know about the K98's idiosyncrasies, I might keep my eye out for one in .22 caliber.
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16.6 FPE still sounds kind of weak. When BB Pelletier tested his in .22, he was getting around 20 FPE.
My Diana 52 (in. 22) is shooting about 20 FPE, and my old Diana 56TH (.177) shot 20 FPE also.
This one has apparently been detuned for that shorter cocking lever. (which was a smart move, IMO)
Still, 16.6 FPE is enough medicine for squirrels out to 30-40 yards. Try H&N Baracuda Hunters and Polymags.
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I like to use JBM Ballistics. Here's the breakdown of some of my air rifles, starting with the most powerful first:
Beeman R1, .22 caliber, 21.04 grains, 639.2 FPS, 19.1 FPE
Diana K98, .17 caliber, 7.9 grains, 989.2 FPS, 17.2 FPE
Beeman R9, .17 caliber, 10.3 grains, 784.8 FPS, 14.1 FPE
HW 95, .17 caliber, 10.5 grains, 772.2 FPS, 13.9 FPE
When I shot the Crosman 10.5 grain pellet out of the rifle with the stock spring, it clocked at 711 FPS. After installing the Vortek spring the same pellet left the muzzle at 843.2 FPS.
I like the CPHP pellets because they are so cheap and so readily available. In addition, the worst groups that I'm getting with them at 30 yards is about an inch on a breezy day. I also put the UTG fixed power 4 X 32 Tru-Hunter scope on it.
With that scope, I discovered, that each mil-dot was worth three mils and not one. Nevertheless, using 2 dot (6 mils) holdover, I'm able to hit a soup can at 100 yards from the bench about 75% of the time.
With the pellets being so inexpensive, how can I pass up that kind of fun when it costs so little? Nevertheless, I might give the polymags a try as I have been curious about them for some time.
You are correct that this rifle has enough energy for squirrels however, I find that due to the muzzle-heavy nature, that offhand shots are a little more difficult than with the Beemans or Weihrauchs. The 2nd photo is what I did to the 100 yard soup can.
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Now that you have had the gun for some time, how do you like it? Build quality and "feeling" of the gun, is it worth the pricetag? I Think it looks supercool!
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Now that you have had the gun for some time, how do you like it? Build quality and "feeling" of the gun, is it worth the pricetag? I Think it looks supercool!
After I worked some of the bugs out of the rifle I really like it. Had my eyesight been better, I would have kept the scope off of it. Because the front sight, for me, is hard to see, I decided to put a scope on it.
After several scopes I decided to put the UTG 4 X 32 mildot scope on it. With that scope, I'm able to hit soup cans at 100 yards, from the bench, about 75% of the time. Now that's fun!
For hunting, I don't mind carrying it even though it's heavy. With the scope the rifle weighs 10.8 pounds. My FWB 300S weighs more at 10.92 pounds. My Beeman R1 weighs a little less at 10.26 pounds. The difference between these two rifles and the K98 is not so much the weight but where it's distributed.
The K98 is a little muzzle heavy. I thought I could adapt to that but have to admit that it is a little difficult to make off-hand shots. So, I have to either be sitting down or brace myself against a tree to make a humane shot at an animal.
Like I said, I had to work out a few bugs. The major problem was the cocking lever dropping out of the slot when I put the rifle on a rest to sight it in. I discovered that after the rifle sounded like a PB three times. The retaining spring wasn't strong enough to hold the cocking lever in place when sitting it down on shooting bags. Go back to the beginning of this thread to read my fix with adhesive backed velcro. I've ran close to a couple thousand pellets through the rifle after my velcro fix without anymore problems.
What was amazing to me was how well the cheap Crosman hollow points shot out of the rifle. After all, I can hit the soup cans at 100 yards with those cheap pellets.
If you were to purchase this rifle, you should, at a minimum do something to ensure that the cocking lever isn't going to drop out of position. I like my velcro fix, not because I thought of it, but because it's a cheap and easy fix that stays in place after thousands of pellets expended.
My advice to anyone wanting to use this rifle for hunting is to look elsewhere. It's too muzzle heavy for offhand shooting. On the other hand, it comes ready for a sling if you want to purchase the replica K98 sling. I bought one and it's quality is excellent. Having a sling on a hunting rifle is a definite plus.
If you want to purchase the rifle for the novelty aspect, it's an excellent buy. It's a lot of fun to shoot, either from the bench, supported from a wall, tree or tripod or sitting.
I wanted this rifle in .177 to shoot the heavier 10.5 grain pellets but they didn't perform as well as the light weight versions. With that said, I would have bought the rifle in .22 if I had to do this over again. It wouldn't have made much difference but the larger caliber barrel weighs less than the .177 barrel. It might have helped with the muzzle heavy characteristic (but not by much).
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Still a pretty rifle and like you it reminds me of years ago when you could pick up a good used one in better than fair condition at the Army/Navy surplus store and a couple boxes of ammo for about $40 to $50
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Thanx for the info, if i am buying one, i'll do it for the looks! Could hang it at the wall as a piece of art that you can take down and have fun with, try that with your Picasso!
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I will Probably buy one as a plinker/conversation piece since it does look real appearance wise
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I hastily put a scope on mine to shoot a FT match. I did a rough sight in to 50 yards, right before the match discovered I was shooting flat from 20 - 40 yards with 1 mildot hold under, I didnt bother to adjust the scope,bug buster btw, it was dead on with the dot so I used that as my aim point, hit 32 out of 54 shots, and did better than a couple in the pcp class. Nice rifle but not what one would typicaly use for field target.
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I hastily put a scope on mine to shoot a FT match. I did a rough sight in to 50 yards, right before the match discovered I was shooting flat from 20 - 40 yards with 1 mildot hold under, I didnt bother to adjust the scope,bug buster btw, it was dead on with the dot so I used that as my aim point, hit 32 out of 54 shots, and did better than a couple in the pcp class. Nice rifle but not what one would typicaly use for field target.
What caliber is your rifle?
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.22
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I really want one of these, but cant decide 22 or 177. . I wish I could find a used one for a great price. Unfortunately I've missed a few and I haven't seen many pop up either. These threads are making it tough to resist. I don't plan on scoping mine either, and figured it would be fun to plink out to the 100 yard bell.
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I really want one of these, but cant decide 22 or 177. . I wish I could find a used one for a great price. Unfortunately I've missed a few and I haven't seen many pop up either. These threads are making it tough to resist. I don't plan on scoping mine either, and figured it would be fun to plink out to the 100 yard bell.
If I had to do it over again, I would have ordered the .22.
The reason that I ordered the .177 was because I really like how the 10.5 grain pellets (Baracudda and Crosman) shoot out of my Beeman and Weihrauch rifles. I was hoping to get similar results with the K98. That didn't happen as the rifle performs better with the lighter pellets. I'm shooting the 7.9 grain CPHP and get lucky with 1/2 inch groups at 30 yards on some occasions. On my worst days, I'm getting 1 inch groups at the same distance. The average seems to be 3/4 inch groups.
For hunting and bucking the wind, I like the heavier pellets. Yet, I don't have much to complain about since I can hit a soup can at 100 yards from the bench about 75% of the time with the 4X32 UTG scope.
Everyone else with the .22 caliber K98 seems to be getting really good groups. That's one reason I wished I would have got the .22.
The last reason is very minor and may not make much of a difference; almost like trying to weigh a feather. In a .22 caliber, the exterior dimensions of the barrel remain the same. That means the only metal taken away with the larger caliber .22. The barrel would weigh less and the entire rifle not be so muzzle-heavy.
Like I said that wouldn't make much of a difference except in my head but that's my best excuse and I'm sticking to it.
With the concept of a lighter barrel contributing to less muzzle-heavy tendencies in an under-lever rifle, you wonder why they haven't come up with a .25 caliber gun. After all, the RWS 460, which the K98 is based from, is reputed to be very powerful. If it's that powerful, then why don't they make it in .25 caliber?
Anyway, my advice is to go for the .22 caliber if you decide to get one.
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What the heck does " You're Killing Smalls" mean? ???
It has bothered me ever since this thread was posted.
-Yogi
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What the heck does " You're Killing Smalls" mean? ???
It has bothered me ever since this thread was posted.
-Yogi
It's a quote from a movie but at my age I can't remember which one ::) ;D :P
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What the heck does " You're Killing Smalls" mean? ???
It has bothered me ever since this thread was posted.
-Yogi
It's a famous and repeated line from the movie "Sandlot." The main character is a teenager that is new to the neighborhood; Scott Smalls. He's not much of a kid for playing sports but wants to fit in.
When ever he displays his ignorance about something, one of the other kids usually exclaims; "You're killing me Smalls."
You've got to watch the movie. Here's the trailer and selected scenes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec9W8JbFykw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec9W8JbFykw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs73-eVBu6I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs73-eVBu6I)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlddDZkkxCc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlddDZkkxCc)
My favorite scene; Squints, the kid with the glasses has a crush on the lifeguard, Wendy Peffercorn. Well, just watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XDfXKp4nJE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XDfXKp4nJE)
I can't believe you didn't know all that. You're killing me Yogi ;D
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Thanks Mike I actually could not remember the name of the movie but could visualise the scene where the autographed ball goes over the fence and is snagged by the bull mastiff that is owned by James Earl Jones character in the movie. actally just watched it a few weeks ago on cable tv ;D ;D
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Thanks Mike I actually could not remember the name of the movie but could visualise the scene where the autographed ball goes over the fence and is snagged by the bull mastiff
The infatuation that Squints has with Wendy Peffercorn reminds me of my crush on a girl when I was 13. She was a beautiful, heavenly, radiant creature with chestnut brown hair that was prettier than the sun shining off a rifle barrel in the morning. She had more curves than I could put on a baseball at the time.
She was an older woman at 17. She never cast a glance at me despite my petitions to the Almighty. Except that I had a chance when she joined us for a softball game at the city park!
She was on the opposite team and I was pitching. She got up to bat and all I could think of was how I could win her affections. Striking her out was not the way to do it. So I did everything to help her get a hit. I was hoping she could knock it out of the park but she really did swing that bat like a girl.
I was doing my very best to pitch them slow enough so she could get a hit. The count got to three and two. I put a slow one across the plate and never saw it coming back at me. I felt the pain in my chest and was on my back before the sound of the crack of the bat got to my ears.
It knocked the wind out of me and the lights went out briefly. When I opened my eyes, the love of my life with the chestnut hair and soft curves was holding me in her arms. She kept apologizing and begging me not to die!
Her hair fell across my face and the last time I ever got close to a woman's breast before that was when my mother was nursing me. That was enough to revive me and put the air back in my lungs despite the pain in my chest.
She kept saying, "Please don't die on me." and "I'm so sorry." My gosh, her voice was so pretty!
Opportunity only comes knocking once and for me it was in the form of a baseball that rocketed it's way into my sternum. I hadn't been caressed like that since I fell out of my crib and even though I wasn't a quick thinker my moment of inspiration arrived.
I closed my eyes while she cradled me in her arms and I said, "Mom, is that you? Everything is so dark. I can't see. Please kiss me before I go."
I puckered up an waited for my moment of ecstasy, when she dropped me like a sack of fertilizer. She walked off the field, out of the park and out of my life. :'(
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Thanks Mike I actually could not remember the name of the movie but could visualise the scene where the autographed ball goes over the fence and is snagged by the bull mastiff
The infatuation that Squints has with Wendy Peffercorn reminds me of my crush on a girl when I was 13. She was a beautiful, heavenly, radiant creature with chestnut brown hair that was prettier than the sun shining off a rifle barrel in the morning. She had more curves than I could put on a baseball at the time.
She was an older woman at 17. She never cast a glance at me despite my petitions to the Almighty. Except that I had a chance when she joined us for a softball game at the city park!
She was on the opposite team and I was pitching. She got up to bat and all I could think of was how I could win her affections. Striking her out was not the way to do it. So I did everything to help her get a hit. I was hoping she could knock it out of the park but she really did swing that bat like a girl.
I was doing my very best to pitch them slow enough so she could get a hit. The count got to three and two. I put a slow one across the plate and never saw it coming back at me. I felt the pain in my chest and was on my back before the sound of the crack of the bat got to my ears.
It knocked the wind out of me and the lights went out briefly. When I opened my eyes, the love of my life with the chestnut hair and soft curves was holding me in her arms. She kept apologizing and begging me not to die!
Her hair fell across my face and the last time I ever got close to a woman's breast before that was when my mother was nursing me. That was enough to revive me and put the air back in my lungs despite the pain in my chest.
She kept saying, "Please don't die on me." and "I'm so sorry." My gosh, her voice was so pretty!
Opportunity only comes knocking once and for me it was in the form of a baseball that rocketed it's way into my sternum. I hadn't been caressed like that since I fell out of my crib and even though I wasn't a quick thinker my moment of inspiration arrived.
I closed my eyes while she cradled me in her arms and I said, "Mom, is that you? Everything is so dark. I can't see. Please kiss me before I go."
I puckered up an waited for my moment of ecstasy, when she dropped me like a sack of fertilizer. She walked off the field, out of the park and out of my life. :'(
No wonder that movie made such an impression on you. :-*
Now you would have been accused of sexual harassment. :-[
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You're killing me Yogi.