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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: thespardian on January 24, 2017, 07:30:00 AM
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Hi there!
Some pics of my SPA P15
just wonder, anyone purchased this lightest pup?
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haven't seen or heard of the SPA 15 would be interested to hear your thought and some specs on the rifle?
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What's the weight then?
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2100grams or 4.63lbs that's pretty light :o
http://www.balistas.com/air-rifles/spa-air-rifles/spa-p15-55-mm/ (http://www.balistas.com/air-rifles/spa-air-rifles/spa-p15-55-mm/)
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2100grams or 4.63lbs that's pretty light :o
http://www.balistas.com/air-rifles/spa-air-rifles/spa-p15-55-mm/ (http://www.balistas.com/air-rifles/spa-air-rifles/spa-p15-55-mm/)
That certainly is, my Viking is 2800 grams and it's much shorter. Do they use titanium air tube or what? It's not a bad looking pup, just add semi auto functionality and ... :)
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Hi there!
Some pics of my SPA P15
just wonder, anyone purchased this lightest pup?
As a very happy SPA/Artemis PP700 owner, this pleases me to no end.
Despite wanting numerous other PCPs, this (or a Kral ) will likely be my next purchase. Sidelever cocking SPA? HECK YEAH. My little pistol is about the least picky airgun I've ever used when it comes to flingin' lead.
The P-15 looks like a next-gen P-12 with improvements. I like the fact it is bare-bones no frills PCP goodness.
EDIT: and SHUCKS, it isn't even on the SPA website yet. Dang it, I want to find out more about this. Last I checked with Balistas (several months ago) they were shipping to the US but I recall several people saying their goods got turned back in Customs.
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Unlike the P12 or P10, it has
265 cc tube
Baffles are in the shroud
Holes in the rear of shroud
Trigger is slightly different
Shotgun type trigger safety
Valve assembly is not separate (unblock valve)
Regulator design is different ( compare to Chinese regulator)
Approximately 5inch shorter
Lighter (2.1 kg)
Side liver
Hammer is slim, cylindrical in shape resembling to BSA R10, and much more lighter
No seals on pellet probe ( a seal inside the barrel)
Barrel has two seals
Two screw on barrel/tube clamp instead of four
11mm scope rail
Indent on barrel for alignment with TP ( a grub screw under the scope rail is holding the barrel)
9 shots mag (fills like FX mag)
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Unlike the P12 or P10, it has
265 cc tube
Baffles are in the shroud
Holes in the rear of shroud
Trigger is slightly different
Shotgun type trigger safety
Valve assembly is not separate (unblock valve)
Regulator design is different ( compare to Chinese regulator)
Approximately 5inch shorter
Lighter (2.1 kg)
Side liver
Hammer is slim, cylindrical in shape resembling to BSA R10, and much more lighter
No seals on pellet probe ( a seal inside the barrel)
Barrel has two seals
Two screw on barrel/tube clamp instead of four
11mm scope rail
Indent on barrel for alignment with TP ( a grub screw under the scope rail is holding the barrel)
9 shots mag which loads like FX mag
Does it also have a titanium air tank?
I emailed SPA asking for some more details since it isn't on their website yet.
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Yes it has the titanium air tube
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I haven't heard of this either. I'm surprised I never came across it in my recent hunt for a bull pup. A definite upgrade over the P-12.
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Side lever a big plus...and a repeater now, nice!
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I haven't heard of this either. I'm surprised I never came across it in my recent hunt for a bull pup. A definite upgrade over the P-12.
The only place I've seen it advertised in on Balistas. Neither of the other overseas distributors I check regularly- Aceros de Hispania, and Krale Shietsport- carry it.
The P-12 is a single-shot bolt-cocker, the P-10 is the multi-shot and regulated, but still bolt-action. This P-15 has the magazine, regulator, and sidelever... Whats not to love?
And I'll vouch for the barrels if my PP700 is indicative of the overall quality now.
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Ahh that explains it, Aceros and Krale were the two sites I was looking at Ive never visited balistas but Ive seen it mentioned quite a bit.
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Very cool! That's super lightweight!
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Here is the new website (under construction) of Artemis Airguns (previously known as SPA)
http://www.artemis-airgun.com/#series (http://www.artemis-airgun.com/#series)
Although P12 & P15 are still missing over here yet you will be able to see it soon.
However you can see this gun on
http://www.sportsmk.co.uk/cat/31399/air-rifles-other-brands/artemis/ (http://www.sportsmk.co.uk/cat/31399/air-rifles-other-brands/artemis/)
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That Artemis M16 is nice looking light weight gun too!
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I sent an email yesterday to krale-schietsport.nl about the P15, they replied today and said that they aren't planning on carrying it. Too bad, they have good pricing. Regards, Tom
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I just a reply back from Julie at SPA. They are checking with their US Distributor (MRodAir) to carry this new bull-pup- order time of April and delivery of May, so we have some months to see what's going on here.
Also got info on their IWA booth for those wanting to attend: 2017 IWA booth number is 7A-515 LOL, maybe in a few more years. Definitely not in the budget for now.
It tickles me pink SPA took to time to send a personalized reply thanking me for my purchase of their PP700 and supply information pertaining to this new rifle. I'll support a company with a personal touch.
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I am also keep in touch with Julie. As per my info, the next shipment will be delivered to SMK.
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Despite wanting numerous other PCPs, this (or a Kral ) will likely be my next purchase.
Be aware that the rail is plastic. Yes even the part that wraps around the reservoir/bottle.
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Be aware that the rail is plastic. Yes even the part that wraps around the reservoir/bottle.
In case of P15, its not true.
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Despite wanting numerous other PCPs, this (or a Kral ) will likely be my next purchase.
Be aware that the rail is plastic. Yes even the part that wraps around the reservoir/bottle.
I don't think you can substantiate that. On the Krals coming in through PA, they are aluminum. If you compare them to the older style that has skeletonized (sculpted cavities in the form) rails, you can easily tell the difference. The SPA is definitely not plastic (though they do use titanium for their bullpup's tanks).
Incidentally, I'd be perfectly fine if it was since the heavy-molecular weight polymers (or even glass-reinforced fibre) that a company would in fact choose are quite a bit more rigid than several garden varieties of aluminum. I've worked and machined plastics with considerably less flex than aluminum, and am not afraid of them, especially the polymers you see used in weapons manufacture. My SCCY plus my wife's S&W M&Ps are all testament that many plastics/polymers are not a concern. Especially if it saves me hundreds of dollars on a purchase. In the end, I trust the various manufacturers to do their homework, especially a company like Kral that has a long history of building amazing and beautiful shotguns. And SPA won me over big-time with my PP700 pistol. Sure, their springers can range from laughable to pretty good, but their PCPs continue to impress me. And they appear to be listening to the public.
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I don't think you can substantiate that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30HKjc3rCLs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30HKjc3rCLs)
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A member right here on the GTA recently recieved a Kral and confirmed that the rail was not plastic. I think maybe the first ones might have been and the Kral smartened up.
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On the Krals coming in through PA, they are aluminum. If you compare them to the older style that has skeletonized (sculpted cavities in the form) rails, you can easily tell the difference.
I dunno if you read the little part above, so I made it easier to read. Basically, your video is from a European shooter using the old model, and is not current information pertaining to the new guns sold at Pyramyd Air. However, even if they were, I wouldn't sweat it. It isn't ticky-tacky plastic, it would be ballistic nylon-type polymers used in the latest firearms, such as Kral's AR-style shotguns.
I don't think you can substantiate that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30HKjc3rCLs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30HKjc3rCLs)
EDIT: Now back to the thread topic: the SPA P-15. Like I said, Titanium air tube, sidelever, good ergonomics, and a good price. All the reviews I'd found on the P-series bullpups are very favorable (comparable performance to the Green-Mountain MRods) and with some barrel-love, can be made into guns shooting well abode their cost. SPA changing the bolt-action to a sidelever is a real treat. If these end up being sold out of MRodAir, Krale, or Aceros before I save enough for a Kral Puncher 'pup, I may get one of these.
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any news about this great pcp?
what is the power .25 caliber and what is the shoot count?
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Anyone have any idea where I could get one of these, I'm in the US?
THANKS
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Unless things have changed recently, the P15 is only available in .22.
"Product: Air rifle SPA P15 5,5mm SPA - Vzduchovka SPA P15 5,5mm
Headline: .25 caliber?
"Inserted by: Tom 07.02.2017 - 06:57:47
Any talk of the P15 being made in .25 caliber? Regards, Tom
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Product: Air rifle SPA P15 5,5mm SPA - Vzduchovka SPA P15 5,5mm
Headline: RE:Tom
Inserted by: David 08.02.2017 - 16:46:08
Producer do not think about the production in .25 caliber yet."
This information is from Balistas.com Regards, Tom
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Hey Tom,
Things have changed.
Been keeping these under my hat, but now I can break the news.
Our first shipment of the SPA IWA goodies, has already been sent.
They are due on the 15th, yes this 15th and our official release date is the 22nd, just to insure they have more than enough time to go thru customs, yada yada.
Learned from the past not to list the arrival date in port, but we have already processed the ISF container paperwork, BOL ect. and yes they are on schedule.
Now, these are very very few in production for any SPA dealer as you may have noted and this first batch of 10 each (well 9, im keeping one myself) are being offered to Mrodair customers first.
I will be putting them on the website later this week.
They are offered to exsisting Mrodair customers only until we can get a full shipment and from what they tell me it will be a couple months wait for more.
Our customer appreciation deal, includes a spare mag (2 total) with each P-15 so there is no waiting for those.
In this shipment we have
22 and 25 cal in the P-15 10 each
22 and 25 cal in the M-16 (AirMax Dominator) 10 each
22 only and only 5 of the bottle fed version M-16
The manufacturer delayed our entire shipment an extra month, just to get this many.
I will post pricing as soon as I can (this week) and they are very reasonable.
This is to show my appreciation to our customers and there are a few more new items in this shipment as well.
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This is exciting news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey Tom,
Things have changed.
Been keeping these under my hat, but now I can break the news.
Our first shipment of the SPA IWA goodies, has already been sent.
They are due on the 15th, yes this 15th and our official release date is the 22nd, just to insure they have more than enough time to go thru customs, yada yada.
Learned from the past not to list the arrival date in port, but we have already processed the ISF container paperwork, BOL ect. and yes they are on schedule.
Now, these are very very few in production for any SPA dealer as you may have noted and this first batch of 10 each (well 9, im keeping one myself) are being offered to Mrodair customers first.
I will be putting them on the website later this week.
They are offered to exsisting Mrodair customers only until we can get a full shipment and from what they tell me it will be a couple months wait for more.
Our customer appreciation deal, includes a spare mag (2 total) with each P-15 so there is no waiting for those.
In this shipment we have
22 and 25 cal in the P-15 10 each
22 and 25 cal in the M-16 (AirMax Dominator) 10 each
22 only and only 5 of the bottle fed version M-16
The manufacturer delayed our entire shipment an extra month, just to get this many.
I will post pricing as soon as I can (this week) and they are very reasonable.
This is to show my appreciation to our customers and there are a few more new items in this shipment as well.
Mike I'll be keeping my eyes peeled on your website for sure . . . I would love the Airmax Dominator myself and I'm thinking in .22 myself, sorry to say but that would probably shame my Mrod.
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Looking forward to the release of the M-16! Any specs on the .22 and .25 cal M-16 you can share?
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Warm up the credit cards.
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Warm up the credit cards.
Mine have yet to cool down, sweets, lol..
Here we go, again!
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I don't want the BullPup and I don't want the bottled one....... but OH MY GOODNESS, the other one? That's worth a domestic butt kickin anythime.
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Well Guys,
I'm just getting all the costs together and looks like the M-16 will be about the same price as an Mrod and the P-15 not much more.
Some may have already seen the new portable electric HPA pump as well and I've had one here testing it for about 6 weeks.
The HPA saga is a fueled race from many manufacturers, to find a balance between speed, heat generated, power consumption and service interval ect, and now a German company has been working with SPA to come up with a different approach.
Low power requirement, small, lightweight unit with limited volume capacity.
Air cooled, electric powered 4500 psi Handpump basically, in a very compact package.
These run on 12 volt DC, and come with a power supply to also run on low amp 110 and/or 220 at the flip of a switch.
Best of all, being built by SPA, we can get parts and service that have been a bit spoty (ie slow) with other makes we have tried.
I have 10 of these units in this shipment as well.
Primary use, like a Handpump, for filling pcp airguns directly, as well as bottle guns and paintball bulk fill type tanks quickly and easily.
When you can run it from your ATV, side by side, truck, car, or at the house on any wall outlet without the worry of high current draw, these may be an option for some to consider.
About 15 pounds and without measuring exactly about 14" x 10" x 6", these are handy, ship cheap and at a price that competes with even the smallest current china imports.
These will be on the site as well later this week, with the new pups, rifles and well a few more things too.
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Oh yeah.... and I want the portable 12v compressor.... lol
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Oh yeah.... and I want the portable 12v compressor.... lol
You better make sure , Betty Lou, doesn't see this thread, Bill
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Reminds me, I also want a new bedroom ensemble for the spare room...
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Reminds me, I also want a new bedroom ensemble for the spare room...
Don't forget matching curtains
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I have to work on timing as well.... it's really not good when my stuff arrives first.
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Looks like my first bullpup will be a p15. Keeping my eye on the mrodair website for info
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Gives me an idea.
Perhaps we should import some purses/silk flowers ect, and send them with purchases over a certain amount ?
We could call it the Mrodair married man special.
May not be "PC" but those who didn't like the idea, most likely aren't married either.
What do you think ?
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What are these?
22 and 25 cal in the M-16 (AirMax Dominator) 10 each
22 only and only 5 of the bottle fed version M-16
With such limited qtys, I think I'd better have my mind made up when Mike lists the items for sale if I want one.
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And for those of us who have spouses who like to shoot, will there be any 2 for 1 deals?
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Gives me an idea.
Perhaps we should import some purses/silk flowers ect, and send them with purchases over a certain amount ?
We could call it the Mrodair married man special.
May not be "PC" but those who didn't like the idea, most likely aren't married either.
What do you think ?
PA and AGD just read this and already ordering silk flowers lol
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It's all good... it will take awhile for them to ship from China thru Germany..
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I'm down for an M16 and a CP-02M carbine...
I grow all the flowers I need, but it would be sweet to have a fella buying both guns and niceties like that for me...
Unfortunately, gifts like that are generally just 'bait and switch' tactics, as all of y'all have clearly demonstrated with yer replies here, ha ha!
Hard to find a straight shooter at bottom dollar prices. And yes, I am referring to both guns and guys, lol..
:-) chickie
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I would love one of these P15s in a .177. Would be an awesome gun!
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All my replies have been full of nothing short of sharing and caring... as I have posted in the past.... the biggest issue I have with "my stuff" arriving first is that, if it fits her, it becomes her stuff. I just happen not to have the same infatuation with bedroom ensembles as she does airguns.
Oh and Michael.... Plastic flowers are tacky and cut flowers die... chocolates present a whole host of opportunities for us guys to stick our feet in our mouths (like we need help) and asking a woman her shoe size..... yeah well, NO !! That brings me back to the 2 for 1 thing.
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If I can't get one from the first shipment I'll more than likely will get one on the second shipment, who knows maybe I'll get one from the first and second shipment the way I've been going.
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I would love one of these P15s in a .177. Would be an awesome gun!
Dillon I was really surprised to see you list your M10 in the classifieds a while back. Gertrude (Ron) was saying there's a bunch of guys in his shooting group that have them, they are shooting eggs with them like there's no tomorrow at a hundred yards.
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I just recently renewed my divorce vows, I'm good to go
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All my replies have been full of nothing short of sharing and caring... as I have posted in the past.... the biggest issue I have with "my stuff" arriving first is that, if it fits her, it becomes her stuff. I just happen not to have the same infatuation with bedroom ensembles as she does airguns.
Oh and Michael.... Plastic flowers are tacky and cut flowers die... chocolates present a whole host of opportunities for us guys to stick our feet in our mouths (like we need help) and asking a woman her shoe size..... yeah well, NO !! That brings me back to the 2 for 1 thing.
You've been awesome, Bill, really, so you have my apologies for painting with such a wide brush...
The better quality the chocolate, the better the response, though when I really, really need chocolate, even a Snicker's is a wonderful thing, ha ha! Refer to the week 4 scenario previously mentioned, an' you'll catch my drift, lol..
2 for 1 is a nice idea, we'll just see how that flies, ha ha!
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All my replies have been full of nothing short of sharing and caring... as I have posted in the past.... the biggest issue I have with "my stuff" arriving first is that, if it fits her, it becomes her stuff. I just happen not to have the same infatuation with bedroom ensembles as she does airguns.
Oh and Michael.... Plastic flowers are tacky and cut flowers die... chocolates present a whole host of opportunities for us guys to stick our feet in our mouths (like we need help) and asking a woman her shoe size..... yeah well, NO !! That brings me back to the 2 for 1 thing.
You've been awesome, Bill, really, so you have my apologies for painting with such a wide brush...
The better quality the chocolate, the better the response, though when I really, really need chocolate, even a Snicker's is a wonderful thing, ha ha! Refer to the week 4 scenario previously mentioned, an' you'll catch my drift, lol..
2 for 1 is a nice idea, we'll just see how that flies, ha ha!
I would expect nothing less than your typical "crickets".
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Got my deposit in on the p15 in 25 caliber 😎
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Got my deposit in on the p15 in 25 caliber 😎
How?
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Give mike a call they will go quickly 😎
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I would love one of these P15s in a .177. Would be an awesome gun!
Dillon I was really surprised to see you list your M10 in the classifieds a while back. Gertrude (Ron) was saying there's a bunch of guys in his shooting group that have them, they are shooting eggs with them like there's no tomorrow at a hundred yards.
Yeah only reason I sold it was my good buddy Monkeydad1969 wanted it and he has more use for it. I prefer bullpups now and seeing that the P10 is essentially the M10 in bullpup form I will probably try one of those ;D
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hmm, no answer, left a message, how much is it?
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I don't think the price has been officially announced yet.....
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That electric pump is interesting,...how much ?
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Well if everyone calls their orders in before Mike is able to show them on his Website there won't be any left by the time he does show them. Oh well another couple months ain't going to hurt I guess, we'll see what happens.
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In this shipment we have
22 and 25 cal in the P-15 10 each
22 and 25 cal in the M-16 (AirMax Dominator) 10 each
22 only and only 5 of the bottle fed version M-16
This will probably be just enough to get a first hand look as to how well they will be received.
I'll be waiting with exuberant anticipation to the feedback on the M-16 because I want one at some point in time.
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Well if everyone calls their orders in before Mike is able to show them on his Website there won't be any left by the time he does show them. Oh well another couple months ain't going to hurt I guess, we'll see what happens.
Ya hit the nail right on the head Wayne! Another couple of months will just give me more time to have it for the Fall weather which is beautiful here in Maine.
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My poor phone is about to explode guys.
Leave a message and I'll get back to you later this afternoon.
Thanks
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lol..like pulling your wallet out in a strip club..
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Says the man who would know ;D
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My poor phone is about to explode guys.
Leave a message and I'll get back to you later this afternoon.
Thanks
What is the M-16 AirMax Dominator? and the one with a bottle? Did I miss this answer? Inquiring minds want to know.
lol..like pulling your wallet out in a strip club..
Left a message at the strip club this morning.
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Got my P15 this week. I am impressed with this gun. Added a Hawk scope and it stayed my lightest pcp excluding the pp700.
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Says the man who would know ;D
Nope, I keep all my 1's in a wad in my front pocket.
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My poor phone is about to explode guys.
Leave a message and I'll get back to you later this afternoon.
Thanks
What is the M-16 AirMax Dominator? and the one with a bottle? Did I miss this answer? Inquiring minds want to know.
lol..like pulling your wallet out in a strip club..
Left a message at the strip club this morning.
You mean these? Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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All my replies have been full of nothing short of sharing and caring... as I have posted in the past.... the biggest issue I have with "my stuff" arriving first is that, if it fits her, it becomes her stuff. I just happen not to have the same infatuation with bedroom ensembles as she does airguns.
Oh and Michael.... Plastic flowers are tacky and cut flowers die... chocolates present a whole host of opportunities for us guys to stick our feet in our mouths (like we need help) and asking a woman her shoe size..... yeah well, NO !! That brings me back to the 2 for 1 thing.
You've been awesome, Bill, really, so you have my apologies for painting with such a wide brush...
The better quality the chocolate, the better the response, though when I really, really need chocolate, even a Snicker's is a wonderful thing, ha ha! Refer to the week 4 scenario previously mentioned, an' you'll catch my drift, lol..
2 for 1 is a nice idea, we'll just see how that flies, ha ha!
I would expect nothing less than your typical "crickets".
How about a chocolate bar of your choice but no flowers? People will talk if I send you flowers ;D
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You mean these? Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
AWESOME.......they gave ya the go ahead to show their pictures!!
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Is this cool . . . or what 8)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2006/1243/products/1489574265_large.jpg?v=1498737517)
perfect for a lefty :D
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My poor phone is about to explode guys.
Leave a message and I'll get back to you later this afternoon.
Thanks
What is the M-16 AirMax Dominator? and the one with a bottle? Did I miss this answer? Inquiring minds want to know.
lol..like pulling your wallet out in a strip club..
Left a message at the strip club this morning.
You mean these? Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I really like the Dominator! Might have to invest in one of those. Now, do I stick with .22 or go for .25? Anyone know if these use the same mags as the Plinkster, CP1-M and Varmint? If they do, that will help my decision since all my SPA's are .22! Not so sure about the bottle fed version, but the other looks amazing!
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They sure don't look the same Paul.
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Wayne what gun is that in the pic you posted
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M16, they're regulated too. I think they have a titanium tube and handle well over 3K for pressure.
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Nice😎 The Turks and the Chinese are stepping up their game😳
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Seems like I seen somewhere it was 250bar but don't mark my word, M16 and the Dominator are about the same except for the name I think.
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You gonna get one Wayne 😎
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The AirMax Dominator, is in fact the SPA M-16.
Thought the name was fitting
Max is my hound dog guys.
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You gonna get one Wayne 😎
That's the one I want, still haven't made my mind up in caliber, it's either going to be the .22 or .25.
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The AirMax Dominator, is in fact the SPA M-16.
Thought the name was fitting
Max is my hound dog guys.
Well, that answers a lot of questions! I do like the looks of the Dominator, and it is a fitting name!
Do they use the same mags as the Varmint/Plinkster/Cp1-M?
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The AirMax Dominator, is in fact the SPA M-16.
Thought the name was fitting
Max is my hound dog guys.
I seen a nice young lady walking her bloodhound yesterday, always thought them were cool dogs. Years ago I had a treeing walker back when I use to hunt raccoons a lot, that was a good dog.
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Mags are different series than the varmint/Plinkster but I did manage to get one spare mag for each rifle for 10 bucks a pop, so I'm passin them on for the same deal to my customers that buy em.
Should have pricing posted in a bit on all of em, but not to worry its all good.
About the hound dog, well he's about as good as it gets.
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Starting to publish the new IWA stuff on the website now guys.
It will be added to several times today and I will give a heads up as soon as we are going to enable them for purchase in the webstore live.
Thanks Guys, it been crazy
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Fanfreakingtastic Mike !!! I'm going to get the Dominator when it's available
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MY CART:
.25 Air Max Dominator
.22 CP-2M Carbine
CP-1 pistol grips/stocks (2 sets)
Electric Air Compressor w/in-line Deluxe Filter System
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MY CART:
.25 Air Max Dominator
.22 CP-2M Carbine
CP-1 pistol grips/stocks (2 sets)
Electric Air Compressor w/in-line Deluxe Filter System
I'm not seeing the new goodies...what am I doing wrong?
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They are listed on the Mrodair.com website.
Right side
First section (new IWA 2017 stuff)
I will be adding links tomorrow to the webstore, cart and checkout.
Will be just after lunch, but I will post here a few hours before I enable the cart.
You guys have been great and this sale is for you.
Thanks
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I've decided on the Dominator in .22 myself and as soon as I can put one in my cart I will. I was kinda thinking about getting the bottle fed one but I'm going to use it for hunting anyway so I really didn't see a need for it. I'm sure there's a lot of people with questions about these guns like I have as well, I'm wondering how much is involved when adjusting the regulator on them etc. I see that it's internal so it's probably like most other regs and you probably have to take it out to adjust it but that's no problem, it can be done. At the price you have for these guns they really look like a great bargain indeed and as far as the quality, if they're anything like my three other SPA's that I ordered from you they're are above and beyond my expectations of the Chinese airguns in general.
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Isn't the same gun, M16, still less expensive($458.18 Krale vs $489.95 MRod Air) through Krale?
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Great looking gun, but a bit out of my price range for now! :o I was hoping it would be a more direct competition (price wise) with the Umarex Gauntlet! I do like that new small compressor though... Will be keeping an eye on it! Thanks Mike, as always bringing exciting new products to the AG market!
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Isn't the same gun, M16, still less expensive($458.18 Krale vs $489.95 MRod Air) through Krale?
That price is in euro's or about $538 shipped... so no
This thread needs to go too the bottom of the pile.... I don't need another air rifle....I don't need another air rifle ??? ;D
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Isn't the same gun, M16, still less expensive($458.18 Krale vs $489.95 MRod Air) through Krale?
That price is in euro's or about $538 shipped... so no
This thread needs to go too the bottom of the pile.... I don't need another air rifle....I don't need another air rifle ??? ;D
Your right.....forgot about exchange rate.
But from my latest experience with MRod Air and from what I'm reading about Krale, Krale is more responsive to their customers.
Haven't dealt with Krale personally but I'm reading more positive feedback about Krale.
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MY CART:
.25 Air Max Dominator
.22 CP-2M Carbine
CP-1 pistol grips/stocks (2 sets)
Electric Air Compressor w/in-line Deluxe Filter System
I'm not seeing the new goodies...what am I doing wrong?
Here ya go. listed on the right side of the home page under, "Hot new items from IWA 2017"
http://mrodair.com/hot_new_items_from_iwa_2017 (http://mrodair.com/hot_new_items_from_iwa_2017)
I just found a video showing how the Dominator/P15 mag is loaded. It's still the same goofy, fiddly way the CP1M, plinkster and Varmint mag's load....dangit!! Sadly, I don't see an included single shot tray...
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I'm sort of glad I didn't get a callback...I'd have bought it on the spot.
Later I went to put a deposit on an Impact (been wanting one forever) w/ AOA figuring I had a couple months to pay for it... and they had the one I wanted in stock. Had I gotten one of these little bullpups I wouldn't have been able to do the impact.
Probably still get one of these little lightweights someday, but for now, the Impact is my 'next' gun. :D BIG purchase.
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Mike,
Any feedback on the fill times with the 12v compressors?
Curious how long it takes to top off anything you've tested it on.
Thanks
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Got my P15 this week. I am impressed with this gun. Added a Hawk scope and it stayed my lightest pcp excluding the pp700.
I am wondering ,how accurate is the P15
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That electric pump is definitely something I will have to look into in the future.
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Me too Manny... I'll wait and see how a few work first.
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That 12v pump looks like a refined version of this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jH9xrcbLxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jH9xrcbLxw)
Little slow, still, beats hand pumping. I think that's a 350cc bottle in the video. For direct gun fill's and small bottle top offs, it should do nicely. I think I'd skip the large high side filter, it would probably add 10+ minutes to the fill times.
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Ok Guys,
Got them posted to the webstore.
Now, this will go live as soon as I add them to the webstore inventory.
(Gives you a one day lead on them yeller fellers)
Its 4 pm central now.
We go LIVE AT 5
Here's a direct link.
http://yhst-139878093962642.stores.yahoo.net/newitiwa20ai.html (http://yhst-139878093962642.stores.yahoo.net/newitiwa20ai.html)
Thanks Guys and like I always say.
"Stay Tuned"
We Are Mrodair
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Mike, dominators are still due in on the 15th correct?
Tempting, very tempting....
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Yes, due the 15th. Just making sure to give a day or two, to make sure I have time to unload, check em out and get em on the way.
As for the compressor, we are a bit past the unit in those videos.
Check their site out. Please. Many have taken this design and tried it before.
Actually even the older versions worked pretty well.
Note their newest design, still one or two behind ours, and still more expensive.
How did we do that and do it cheaper ?
I'm a learnin she said.
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Heck I just ordered the Dominator and forgot to add an extra clip, can I put in another order for the clip Mike or is there another way to amend the order.
Awesomeness
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2006/1243/products/1489574265_large.jpg?v=1498737517)
No big deal right now on the clip anyway it's going to be a while before you get them in. I'll definitely get another one though
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We will get it worked out brother, don't sweat it.
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Mike have you personally shot the Dominator yet? Also wondering how it is on power compared to the M10, the M10 is a brute from what everyone is saying some are popping eggs at a hundred yards.
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Not personally.
Been talking to those who have.
We gonna need a bigger boat.
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Now I also need to get me a couple new scopes, one for the Dominator and one for the Varmint, right now I have a CP compact 4x on the Varmint but I robbed that from another gun, thinking seriously about the UTG 4-12x44 Swat for the Varmint, that 4x just don't do it justice.
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Sigh..... I have no will power. Dominator on order.
Mike, how easily is the dominator tuned? some form of hammer spring adjuster?
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Give you a bit of heads up bros.
Discovery scope brand
4 x 14 side focus first focal.
Can't be beat for the price.
Same as MANY other brands at twice the coin.
Sun optics
Snipers hide
The list get pretty long.
Been working to get them branded myself, but they have some high MOQ for the first order.
Check em out.
I've got these on many a pcp.
Just sayin.
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Sigh..... I have no will power. Dominator on order.
Mike, how easily is the dominator tuned? some form of hammer spring adjuster?
What Caliber did you order John? I got the .22 myself.
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Looks like chickie is gonna get a late Birthday present this year...
I have a 12v compressor and a .25 Dominator extra mag deal in my cart...
My sisters and I are just about to start serving about 25 family members their dinner at our last big summer blow-out here on the lake, so I hope I can get them ordered and done with later tonight after the smoke clears, but I hafta run now..
I hope y'all leave one of each for me!!
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Looks like chickie is gonna get a late Birthday present this year...
I have a 12v compressor and a .25 Dominator extra mag deal in my cart...
My sisters and I are just about to start serving about 25 family members their dinner at our last big summer blow-out here on the lake, so I hope I can get them ordered and done with later tonight after the smoke clears, but I hafta run now..
I hope y'all leave one of each for me!!
Based on recent purchase history, we're hoping you'll leave one for us!!! LOL! :P
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Wayne,
.22 for me as well, I would have went with .177.... no .25 for me.
Has anyone found a review on the Dominator/M16?
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Too rich for my blood... I'm out.
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Wayne,
.22 for me as well, I would have went with .177.... no .25 for me.
Has anyone found a review on the Dominator/M16?
I've got my Mrod for .25, it's eventually going to get some more modifications to it before it's all said and done. Everything else I've got is mainly .22's so it's going to make it that much simpler when I got to order pellets. When I get the Dominator I'll probably start by trying it out with the 21.14 grain pellets just to see what it will do with them for starters.
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Wayne,
I can easily get the lower/middle of .25 FPE with my .22 mrod or .22 Gladius, and likely the Dominator using heavy pellets. I really don't even need that much FPE for my typical air gun uses. I have enough .177 and .22 tins laying around, I don't need too add .25! Besides, If I really needed more oomph, I'd use a suppressed 22lr, .17HMR, .223, 300BLK or .308 ;D
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Well boys, the door is open, I got mine ordered P15 in 25 cal. now I got to order pellets as all I own is .22
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I just ordered a P-15 in .25 just now. If it shoots as good as my P-12 and p-30, I will be well satisfied. Regards, Tom
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I'm sure that SPA has done some experimenting with big bores already, maybe in a year you'll see them.
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Sadly, all the hub-bub at the tradeshows earlier in the year were focused on the same old stuff. Very few of the YouTubers covered anything from the SPA booth.
... despite SPA having a rifle with the air-tube surrounding the barrel. I'll keep on sending SPA my business since they build lightweight, powerful, accurate, and inexpensive airguns.
Hooray Mike/MRodAir for picking up the M-16/P-15.
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I agree Peter!....Things are getting kind of boring in the innovation department....That's why I recently purchased a Hatsan Barrage....Proven design/rifle? Nah.....BUT different!
DJ
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I reached out to Julie at SPA today to see if I could get the exploded view for the M16/ Dominator. She sent this to me in less than 12hrs.... ;D
To answer my own question about how power can be adjusted, looks like part 41 is a hammer spring adjuster. This and maybe a little tweak of the reg should be all that's needed 8)
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I reached out to Julie at SPA today to see if I could get the exploded view for the M16/ Dominator. She sent this to me in less than 12hrs.... ;D
To answer my own question about how power can be adjusted, looks like part 41 is a hammer spring adjuster. This and maybe a little tweak of the reg should be all that's needed 8)
Yup, gonna need that exploded view, thanks, Shultzie!! :D
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Sadly, all the hub-bub at the tradeshows earlier in the year were focused on the same old stuff. Very few of the YouTubers covered anything from the SPA booth.
... despite SPA having a rifle with the air-tube surrounding the barrel. I'll keep on sending SPA my business since they build lightweight, powerful, accurate, and inexpensive airguns.
Hooray Mike/MRodAir for picking up the M-16/P-15.
I'm waiting for info on that rifle w the air tube surrounding the barrel too. Very cool stuff
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I agree, that's one sweet looking rifle, and how innovative!
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I reached out to Julie at SPA today to see if I could get the exploded view for the M16/ Dominator. She sent this to me in less than 12hrs.... ;D
To answer my own question about how power can be adjusted, looks like part 41 is a hammer spring adjuster. This and maybe a little tweak of the reg should be all that's needed 8)
Very cool!
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I reached out to Julie at SPA today to see if I could get the exploded view for the M16/ Dominator. She sent this to me in less than 12hrs.... ;D
To answer my own question about how power can be adjusted, looks like part 41 is a hammer spring adjuster. This and maybe a little tweak of the reg should be all that's needed 8)
I wonder if she can get us the exploded view of the cP1-M also?
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Here is one for the cp1from a British site.
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Here is one for the cp1from a British site.
Awesome, thanks! I now have all three exploded views/parts lists for all 3 SPA models I own so far, yay!! :-)
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I have the Varmint and CP1-M, do you have a link to the Plinkster diagram?
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It would be great if an admin could put up a sticky of exploded drawings on the forum
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For every gun made? Probably not gonna happen. Maybe something could be added to the Library though.
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For every gun made? Probably not gonna happen. Maybe something could be added to the Library though.
No, just for MY guns, ha ha! ;)
I just collect the ones I need on my desktop..
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The seller does have a few on the website. Maybe we could hook him up with what we have.
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Send em guys.
I sent Julie an email today myself about them.
Your help is a big deal to me guys.
When I can accommodate, I will.
By now, you know I'm doing what I can.
Not perfect by any stretch, but with your help, I can do better.
I'm not the greedy type, and do what I can to keep the prices down, so we can all have more toys.
It can be tough, as those in some parts of Europe are closer in geographic location to china and don't have to deal with US customs fees ect.
The more I get input and experience, the better I can make the deals.
Thanks
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Hey Mike...
I think the "tracking" thing would be more of an improvement than anything. Folks want to know when they can expect delivery. Some have to make sure there is someone at the house when BIG Brown shows for various reasons including items being "ganked" from the front porch or wherever the driver decides to "toss" the box as he drives by.
Just a thought....
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Sadly, all the hub-bub at the tradeshows earlier in the year were focused on the same old stuff. Very few of the YouTubers covered anything from the SPA booth.
... despite SPA having a rifle with the air-tube surrounding the barrel. I'll keep on sending SPA my business since they build lightweight, powerful, accurate, and inexpensive airguns.
Hooray Mike/MRodAir for picking up the M-16/P-15.
I'm waiting for info on that rifle w the air tube surrounding the barrel too. Very cool stuff
I remember seeing pictures of that rifle a while back, what a great Idea.
Anyone has pictures to post here ? ......will it be imported in the US ?
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You mean this one?
(https://www.airrifle.co.za/imagestore/2017/03/artemis_m30-1.jpg)
That is an awesome looking rifle! Almost looks like it should be a shotgun!
(https://www.airrifle.co.za/imagestore/2017/03/artemis_m30_detail-1.jpg)
Wonder why it has two gauges? But, it does come in .25! Wooo Hooo! :P
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Purty!!
Any stats?
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You mean this one?
(https://www.airrifle.co.za/imagestore/2017/03/artemis_m30-1.jpg)
That is an awesome looking rifle! Almost looks like it should be a shotgun!
(https://www.airrifle.co.za/imagestore/2017/03/artemis_m30_detail-1.jpg)
Wonder why it has two gauges? But, it does come in .25! Wooo Hooo! :P
I love the bull barrel look...awesome!
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One gauge prolly shows regged pressure.
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You mean this one?
(https://www.airrifle.co.za/imagestore/2017/03/artemis_m30-1.jpg)
That is an awesome looking rifle! Almost looks like it should be a shotgun!
(https://www.airrifle.co.za/imagestore/2017/03/artemis_m30_detail-1.jpg)
Wonder why it has two gauges? But, it does come in .25! Wooo Hooo! :P
Love the looks of that rifle
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Well.... what is it?
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As soon as they are available, I will have em.
Already asked, and yes they are part of the dominator series and come in 22 and 25.
The gauges are in fact both resivoir and regged pressure for much easier tuning.
Actually, I've already imported a design similar to this from a Korean defense contractor I worked with in a former life.
They were simply too expensive and not enough different than the specs of others, but they (the korean version) did not offer the ease of tuning the new Dominator offering has and of course pricing will be much more reasonable.
I for one can't wait.
"Stay Tuned"
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I'm in.
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I'm in.
Chickie buying another rifle ?....Gee Whiz...I should have guessed !
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I'm in.
Chickie buying another rifle ?....Gee Whiz...I should have guessed !
There are worse addictions ;)
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The M30 is just dead sexy! All though, I really hope that is a fill probe left in when the picture was taken and not a fixed foster fill nipple.....
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" There are worse addictions ;) "
Your A Preach-en to the Church Quire Boss ! ;D
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That could well be my 1st ever regulated rifle :)
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The M30 is just dead sexy! All though, I really hope that is a fill probe left in when the picture was taken and not a fixed foster fill nipple.....
Agreed, I am not a fan of that kinda thing at all, so yeah, let's hope that isn't what it looks like, for sure!
Even if it is, I can work around it on a bipod, but as a carry rifle, that's a bad idea!
I have thoughts about making one of these into a serious target rifle over the winter, and if that's the case, the fill nipple there would be handy, actually..
We'll see.
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Your missing the best part guys.
Those aren't all screw holes in the bottom.
The reg is externally adjustable.
Now THAT'S A BINGO !
Just sayin
Man, its gettin hard to keep this stuff under wraps, with you guys.
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Your missing the best part guys.
Those aren't all screw holes in the bottom.
The reg is externally adjustable.
Now THAT'S A BINGO !
Just sayin
Man, its gettin hard to keep this stuff under wraps, with you guys.
Sweet
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Your missing the best part guys.
Those aren't all screw holes in the bottom.
The reg is externally adjustable.
Now THAT'S A BINGO !
Just sayin
Man, its gettin hard to keep this stuff under wraps, with you guys.
Mike:
You're not going to be able to keep Nuthin Under Wraps Here....We've got Chickie on our side ! ;D
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It gets sweeter.
At least for those who are getting in on this current shipment.
Just got the official arrival notice. (Along with another invoice for the paper shufflers)
Man I'm getting better at this.
They are coming in as scheduled.
Woo Hoo !
I love it when a plan comes together.
For those on the fence, its time to put ur boots on boys n girls.
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I have no idea what that M30 will cost, but I have a feeling I better start looking for a part time job so when it's available, I'm ready for it! And, I believe that fill probe is removable. I have seen other pictures where it's not sticking out the bottom of the rifle!
(https://www.airrifle.co.za/imagestore/2017/03/02_SPA_Artemis_M30-1.jpg)
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I have no idea what that M30 will cost, but I have a feeling I better start looking for a part time job so when it's available, I'm ready for it! And, I believe that fill probe is removable. I have seen other pictures where it's not sticking out the bottom of the rifle!
(https://www.airrifle.co.za/imagestore/2017/03/02_SPA_Artemis_M30-1.jpg)
Yup. Me too!!
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When when when!?
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According to the youtube video... It appears to be semi auto. The bolt is only to index the mag. Man, the thing is going to eat lead and drink air. I remember the twin 1077s. I couldn't keep C02 and pellets in stock. Ya'll better move closer to Walmart and buy a compressor.
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I have no idea what that M30 will cost, but I have a feeling I better start looking for a part time job so when it's available, I'm ready for it! And, I believe that fill probe is removable. I have seen other pictures where it's not sticking out the bottom of the rifle!
(https://www.airrifle.co.za/imagestore/2017/03/02_SPA_Artemis_M30-1.jpg)
wow, that looks good
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I have no idea what that M30 will cost, but I have a feeling I better start looking for a part time job so when it's available, I'm ready for it! And, I believe that fill probe is removable. I have seen other pictures where it's not sticking out the bottom of the rifle!
(https://www.airrifle.co.za/imagestore/2017/03/02_SPA_Artemis_M30-1.jpg)
Yeah, I don't see it coming with a fill nipple sticking out,....man that Rifle just looks so sweet, love it.
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According to the youtube video... It appears to be semi auto. The bolt is only to index the mag. Man, the thing is going to eat lead and drink air. I remember the twin 1077s. I couldn't keep C02 and pellets in stock. Ya'll better move closer to Walmart and buy a compressor.
So how long before somebody figures out a self-indexing magazine for these and we start having us some real fun?
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A simple blow back ought to do it.
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A simple blow back ought to do it.
Easy, big fella! :o
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Ok now... that statement was purely innocent.
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According to the youtube video... It appears to be semi auto. The bolt is only to index the mag. Man, the thing is going to eat lead and drink air. I remember the twin 1077s. I couldn't keep C02 and pellets in stock. Ya'll better move closer to Walmart and buy a compressor.
So how long before somebody figures out a self-indexing magazine for these and we start having us some real fun?
mrod already has a pre-order for this
http://yhst-139878093962642.stores.yahoo.net/huk1seauprde.html (http://yhst-139878093962642.stores.yahoo.net/huk1seauprde.html)
There's a monster of a thread over at AGN on it
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According to the youtube video... It appears to be semi auto. The bolt is only to index the mag. Man, the thing is going to eat lead and drink air. I remember the twin 1077s. I couldn't keep C02 and pellets in stock. Ya'll better move closer to Walmart and buy a compressor.
So how long before somebody figures out a self-indexing magazine for these and we start having us some real fun?
mrod already has a pre-order for this
http://yhst-139878093962642.stores.yahoo.net/huk1seauprde.html (http://yhst-139878093962642.stores.yahoo.net/huk1seauprde.html)
There's a monster of a thread over at AGN on it
Yeah, but I can't shoot a pup, unfortunately..
But if I can make a $500 gun into a semi, well, that's even better! 8)
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I think what he is saying is that it uses the same firing system.
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I think what he is saying is that it uses the same firing system.
Oh, duh! :-[
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With that size an OD you could get massive volume in a can without it looking silly.
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With that size an OD you could get massive volume in a can without it looking silly.
Same thought here, ha ha! I gotta have a quiet gun, the quieter, the better!
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I think what he is saying is that it uses the same firing system.
Nope, completely different.
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I already own guns that do all I intend to do with an air rifle. I have yet to pay more than $250 for any one of them other than the SRod I traded 2 guns for. I keep telling myself.... it's a hobby.
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I already own guns that do all I intend to do with an air rifle. I have yet to pay more than $250 for any one of them other than the SRod I traded 2 guns for. I keep telling myself.... it's a hobby.
Bill.....Chickie just has a Much Higher Bottom Line than you or I. ;D ;D. If you got the disposable income then... go for it.
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LOL.... I don't consider any income disposable.
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LOL.... I don't consider any income disposable.
Me Either Bill ! Social Security... just doesn't Pay That Well ! :-\
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I already own guns that do all I intend to do with an air rifle. I have yet to pay more than $250 for any one of them other than the SRod I traded 2 guns for. I keep telling myself.... it's a hobby.
Good luck with that, lol..
You gotta add activities that require the tools first, then the purchase makes a lot more sense, see?
If you, say, take an interest in keeping the local nutria problem in check, you're gonna need a Dominator in .22 to take out the big ones, even Betty Lou's Momma could see that, right? So, no worries, .22 ammo is everywhere, so are the nutria, err, swamp rats, lol, sooo go an' gitcha some!
Jus' sayin', it's onlya hobby if you let it be. You get to decide how much fun you have, and how often, different guns open different doors..
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Alrighty then..
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I'm with you Bill, I've not spent over $200 on any of the air guns I have. But, that M30 might change that trend as long as it's not more than $400! I did pay $218 for the Benji Tank, and that stung! I guess I'm just cheap, or frugal.... Nah, I'm cheap!
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Yeah.... $400 might be a down payment.
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What? :-\
Ok, then, we'll just see what happens once they are all out and about, let's see who does and doesn't end up with more than a Varmint, mhmm...
Jus' sayin', lotsa folks start just like that...
Yup.
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Yeah.... $400 might be a down payment.
That's what I'm afraid of! I mortgaged the Air Tank with SG's 4 Pay! I don't want to that too often! I may have to sell everything I have and settle for just one airgun... Nah, that ain't happening! :P
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I'd like to add an Urban but I think that would be the extent of my PCP collection. Got the vintage covered. Got the springers covered. Got the pumpers covered (except for that SPA). Pistols? yep, got em. And the final C02 is on it's way. Maintaining and keeping them fed should keep my whistle wet.
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Of all my guns on my list below, only the HW110 cost more than $500, (and I got it waay under US retail) and only three cost more than $300, one barely, and most cost less than $200, while the bottom four cost less than $150 all together, full retail...
I watch my air gun budget very closely, but I have lotsa people that shoot to equip here, not just one or two, so I buy more than the average bear, that's all..
But this M30 would be for me, all me, all mine. There's a lot of potential in that gun!
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if the M-16 is around 500 bucks I wander how much the M-30 will be,...600, 650 ?
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Looking more closely at the M-30, how big can the reservoir be ? if there's a barrel and shroud in there too ?
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if the M-16 is around 500 bucks I wander how much the M-30 will be,...600, 650 ?
It needs to be priced with a very deep discount over the European dealers, or I doubt sales will be brisk enough to sustain interest. Losta folks still think 'cheap' when it comes to Chinese guns.
At $179, a SPA gun is amazing, at $600 or $650, it better be better than a Euro gun, for certain. Otherwise, why buy a Chinese gun for $650 when you coulda had something like an HW110 for a couple hundred more? The more the retail price, the less sense it makes for the buyer to buy a SPA gun.
Unless they start winning shooting competitions, then they'll take off, even the expensive ones.
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I can order a .25 Maurader direct from Crosman for $419 shipped on Fridays. I can get a refurb .25 AT44 QE for $349 direct from Hatsan, so it would be a real stretch for me to pay more than either of those on another .25 AG unless it did dishes and folded clothes too!
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I've also got this throttle named Betty Lou. She does a great job of reconnecting my feet to the ground.
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if the M-16 is around 500 bucks I wander how much the M-30 will be,...600, 650 ?
It needs to be priced with a very deep discount over the European dealers, or I doubt sales will be brisk enough to sustain interest. Losta folks still think 'cheap' when it comes to Chinese guns.
At $179, a SPA gun is amazing, at $600 or $650, it better be better than a Euro gun, for certain. Otherwise, why buy a Chinese gun for $650 when you coulda had something like an HW110 for a couple hundred more? The more the retail price, the less sense it makes for the buyer to buy a SPA gun.
Unless they start winning shooting competitions, then they'll take off, even the expensive ones.
Seems that the M-16 at 500 bucks is already poised to sell pretty good right ?
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I can order a .25 Maurader direct from Crosman for $419 shipped on Fridays. I can get a refurb .25 AT44 QE for $349 direct from Hatsan, so it would be a real stretch for me to pay more than either of those on another .25 AG unless it did dishes and folded clothes too!
What any SPA gun will do that neither the Marauder nor that AT44s can, is be light, what the M16 can do is be as powerful AND light, and regulated. Hard to argue with 46 fpe in such a nice, very point-able carbine, ya know? It's a different thing altogether. The question is, what can it do for me that a .22 varmint can not? If a Varmint can do all you need done, this may be a waste of $500 that could be spent on a compressor, or whatever...
What the M30 can do? Well, that remains to be seen.
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if the M-16 is around 500 bucks I wander how much the M-30 will be,...600, 650 ?
It needs to be priced with a very deep discount over the European dealers, or I doubt sales will be brisk enough to sustain interest. Losta folks still think 'cheap' when it comes to Chinese guns.
At $179, a SPA gun is amazing, at $600 or $650, it better be better than a Euro gun, for certain. Otherwise, why buy a Chinese gun for $650 when you coulda had something like an HW110 for a couple hundred more? The more the retail price, the less sense it makes for the buyer to buy a SPA gun.
Unless they start winning shooting competitions, then they'll take off, even the expensive ones.
Seems that the M-16 at 500 bucks is already poised to sell pretty good right ?
I think so, I ordered a .25 today, I believe it will be a great gun for the money, but mostly because it has the power and light weight to outclass more expensive and less expensive options. If this M30 is $650, and doesn't do much more for the average buyer than a Varmint, or a regged Varmint, why pay $400 more just for that neat tube/barrel thingy?
I keep trying to remember how excited I was when I realized I had bought 4 new SPA guns for a little over $500, and I loved them all..
The Dominator better be that much better, and the M30, even that much more better, or the Varmints and CP-series guns will still steal their thunder..
Keep the Dominator series all at or around $500-550, and they are attainable and worth the leap up from the Varmint/Plinkster/CP-series guns..
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I just checked my Varmint bolt and it was loose so I put some red loctite on it, that stuff seems to work pretty good I think. Bill I remember you saying yours was loose and the last time I had checked mine it was tight but not when I checked it today. I rolled the handle on a table and it didn't look bent at all.
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if the M-16 is around 500 bucks I wander how much the M-30 will be,...600, 650 ?
It needs to be priced with a very deep discount over the European dealers, or I doubt sales will be brisk enough to sustain interest. Losta folks still think 'cheap' when it comes to Chinese guns.
At $179, a SPA gun is amazing, at $600 or $650, it better be better than a Euro gun, for certain. Otherwise, why buy a Chinese gun for $650 when you coulda had something like an HW110 for a couple hundred more? The more the retail price, the less sense it makes for the buyer to buy a SPA gun.
Unless they start winning shooting competitions, then they'll take off, even the expensive ones.
Seems that the M-16 at 500 bucks is already poised to sell pretty good right ?
I think so, I ordered a .25 today, I believe it will be a great gun for the money, but mostly because it has the power and light weight to outclass more expensive and less expensive options. If this M30 is $650, and doesn't do much more for the average buyer than a Varmint, or a regged Varmint, why pay $400 more just for that neat tube/barrel thingy?
I keep trying to remember how excited I was when I realized I had bought 4 new SPA guns for a little over $500, and I loved them all..
The Dominator better be that much better, and the M30, even that much more better, or the Varmints and CP-series guns will still steal their thunder..
Keep the Dominator series all at or around $500-550, and they are attainable and worth the leap up from the Varmint/Plinkster/CP-series guns..
Well, first of all if it's a semi-auto that alone will put the gun on a different plain then the basic SPA guns, also I would expect it to be more on the power level of the M-16 then the lower offerings, I can't imagine the M-30 to cost less then the M-16,....but now sure I'm curious to see how this turns out :)
Yep I love the looks and idea of the gun :) :) :)
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I can order a .25 Maurader direct from Crosman for $419 shipped on Fridays. I can get a refurb .25 AT44 QE for $349 direct from Hatsan, so it would be a real stretch for me to pay more than either of those on another .25 AG unless it did dishes and folded clothes too!
What any SPA gun will do that neither the Marauder nor that AT44s can, is be light, what the M16 can do is be as powerful AND light, and regulated. Hard to argue with 46 fpe in such a nice, very point-able carbine, ya know? It's a different thing altogether. The question is, what can it do for me that a .22 varmint can not? If a Varmint can do all you need done, this may be a waste of $500 that could be spent on a compressor, or whatever...
What the M30 can do? Well, that remains to be seen.
Good points..
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I just checked my Varmint bolt and it was loose so I put some red loctite on it, that stuff seems to work pretty good I think. Bill I remember you saying yours was loose and the last time I had checked mine it was tight but not when I checked it today. I rolled the handle on a table and it didn't look bent at all.
I'm not going tot use Red Loctite. I'm sure I'll want to remove it sometime in the future.
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if the M-16 is around 500 bucks I wander how much the M-30 will be,...600, 650 ?
It needs to be priced with a very deep discount over the European dealers, or I doubt sales will be brisk enough to sustain interest. Losta folks still think 'cheap' when it comes to Chinese guns.
At $179, a SPA gun is amazing, at $600 or $650, it better be better than a Euro gun, for certain. Otherwise, why buy a Chinese gun for $650 when you coulda had something like an HW110 for a couple hundred more? The more the retail price, the less sense it makes for the buyer to buy a SPA gun.
Unless they start winning shooting competitions, then they'll take off, even the expensive ones.
Seems that the M-16 at 500 bucks is already poised to sell pretty good right ?
I think so, I ordered a .25 today, I believe it will be a great gun for the money, but mostly because it has the power and light weight to outclass more expensive and less expensive options. If this M30 is $650, and doesn't do much more for the average buyer than a Varmint, or a regged Varmint, why pay $400 more just for that neat tube/barrel thingy?
I keep trying to remember how excited I was when I realized I had bought 4 new SPA guns for a little over $500, and I loved them all..
The Dominator better be that much better, and the M30, even that much more better, or the Varmints and CP-series guns will still steal their thunder..
Keep the Dominator series all at or around $500-550, and they are attainable and worth the leap up from the Varmint/Plinkster/CP-series guns..
Well, first of all if it's a semi-auto that alone will put the gun on a different plain then the basic SPA guns, also I would expect it to be more on the power level of the M-16 then the lower offerings, I can't imagine the M-30 to cost less then the M-16,....but now sure I'm curious to see how this turns out :)
Yep I love the looks and idea of the gun :) :) :)
The mag still has to be manually advanced via the bolt. What's the difference if that action also cocks the hammer? If there was a hammer.
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The mag still has to be manually advanced via the bolt. What's the difference if that action also cocks the hammer? If there was a hammer.
The difference is less fatigue on the shooters' trigger hand, and lower cocking force also means the gun stays on target better between shots, something that is crucial when shooting BR or Field Target, or whatever. This is a labor saving innovation, one that may upgrade into true semi-auto, or maybe more, with a bit of cleverness, lol..
I'ma get a .177 M30 and take advantage of the regulation and light cocking and larger volume and put it in a BR vise and see what she can really do at distance. This may be the most fun of all for us tinkerers, since it is flexible enough to take on multiple disciplines.
I'ma get one, things are being sold right now to get the funds ready. These are also gonna be da bomb..
Bill, wasn't it you that told me you could just buy one of each of the SPA guns and sell off the rest? I think it was...
Once we have these, and the pumper, I can live without their springers, and I can't shoot their pups, sooo, I'ma be all done for a while...
This is great stuff for the money, I am all smiles here!
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Yep... I said that.... before I saw a couple of these newer ones.
Before I'm viewed as being on the wrong side of the fence.... SPA is doing lots of really cool stuff recently. They are seriously raising the bar. They are going to have to be proven in the field. Folks that paid the big money for other guns are still going to do and say everything everything they can to justify their purchase. The 2 SPA guns I have now do what I ask and hit what I point at. To me, that's all I'm after. Longevity and customer support are what's going to tell the story at the end of the day.
Like a wise "woman" once said..... we'll see.
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The Dominator series stuff is definitely a different level of risk without real product support, that's a fact!
I'm feeling brave at the moment though, but am I brave enough to go from a "4 gun/12 mag/$600 invested situation" to a 2 gun/4 mag/$1100+ invested situation?
Hmmm, well, yesss...
But only because I don't need customer support from Mike, and I think these 2 guns for $1100+ will do the work of 2 guns that cost twice that price, and they will allow me to sell off some other now unneeded guns to pay for them.
I am streamlining my air gun collection, and basing as much around the SPA guns as I can.
It saves me real money to go this route...
But heck yes, the 'sweet spot' for SPA guns really seems to be the Varmint/Plinkster/CP-series products, and I am aglow over those guns, too. 8)
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I'm thinking with the really heavy pellets in .22 that I'll be able to be able to shoot across sections of field that are on the state land that I hunt. I'm hoping this Dominator is out of the box with plenty of power but if need be I can alway adjust it so it is. I'm talking about some of the really long shots in the bean and corn fields, I sometimes see some really long shots I don't bother trying with what I've got right now but hopefully the Dominator can fill the bill ???
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I'm thinking with the really heavy pellets in .22 that I'll be able to be able to shoot across sections of field that are on the state land that I hunt. I'm hoping this Dominator is out of the box with plenty of power but if need be I can alway adjust it so it is. I'm talking about some of the really long shots in the bean and corn fields, I sometimes see some really long shots I don't bother trying with what I've got right now but hopefully the Dominator can fill the bill ???
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Same kinda thing here, Wayne, past 50 yards the Dominators will shine...
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I have 6 SPA guns. If the M30 works well and shoots straight, I'll have 7. It appears to be a near perfect quail hunting machine.
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Too many SPA guns, not enough monies.
Otherwise, I'd have one of each caliber of each model. I'm still enamored with my PP700.
Now who has to brass to say SPA ain't innovating?
I said they were last year, and I still say it. Order up, guys and gals.
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I have 6 SPA guns. If the M30 works well and shoots straight, I'll have 7. It appears to be a near perfect quail hunting machine.
My sentiments exactly but in my case it would be grouse, I've seen more than one kind of game bird in the tree rows between the fields I mentioned earlier in this thread and getting an idea of where they're roosting a person could probably do pretty good right at day break when moving out of their roost.
I sure hope they make airguns legal to use on turkeys here, right now the only thing I can use in this area to harvest a turkey is a shotgun.
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A couple people have mentioned not being able to shoot pups. Why is that? is it injury or the pup design itself?
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I just checked my Varmint bolt and it was loose so I put some red loctite on it, that stuff seems to work pretty good I think. Bill I remember you saying yours was loose and the last time I had checked mine it was tight but not when I checked it today. I rolled the handle on a table and it didn't look bent at all.
I'm not going tot use Red Loctite. I'm sure I'll want to remove it sometime in the future.
I'm pretty sure my gun will be staying together until I need or want to take it apart. I basically got it as tight as I could with my fingers, I'm sure I can get it back off without much trouble but yes the red loctight does work fantastic for keeping a bolt in place. The thread locker that was on it from the factory was blue.
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A couple people have mentioned not being able to shoot pups. Why is that? is it injury or the pup design itself?
It's an anatomical issue for a lot of women, myself included.
At least one fella here has a rotator cuff injury that makes shooting a pup painful..
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I've never really been fond of the bullpups, I guess in some cases it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks, I've always liked the conventional rifle look and also wood over polymer.
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That would be me, for one. I've recently torn my rotator cuff out, again. Shooting the bullpup isn't the issue. Cocking it in any position other than standing is the issue. With so many other options, it's just not for me.
We got the new Plinkster yesterday and the bolt knob began loosening up right out of the gate. None of the 3 SPA guns here have seen the tinker bench yet. Now that the compressor is sorted out that will soon change. I also have a Dan Wesson 357 here that belongs to a co-worker. It has a C02 leak that needs fixed. I plan to get some bench tine this weekend.
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Thanks for the info guys and gal, I have never been fond of the pups either. I have only shot one pup the Tavor and it really felt strange compared the my ARs. Reloading was really the strangest part with the mag being kind of under my arm. It is a very compact weapon but I do not know that I could ever get used to it. So for now I will stick to conventional types.
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Yeah, it's not the shooting so much, though I tend to cant them if I am not very careful, so much as all that weird cocking motion back by my ear, it is uncomfortable, especially with a bolt instead of a lever. Plus it gets my hands and nails all tangled up in my hair and earrings, even if the weird angles don't make my wrist sore.
I need the action under my eyes, not behind my ear. And I find carbines and tactical pistol/carbines balance better with my posture than conventional rifles or bullpups.
My 'rifles' are all destined to be rested or bipod-mounted, all my other air guns are light and small.
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During the short time that the EdGun was here I showed it off to a few friends. It was so interesting watching them try to shoulder it for the first time. Most, if not all, got that "look" on their face after trying to hold it like a pistol.
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A larger (quality) scope sits pretty high on a bullpup making them "top heavy". At least this is what I noticed with the EdGun.
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I have 6 SPA guns. If the M30 works well and shoots straight, I'll have 7. It appears to be a near perfect quail hunting machine.
My sentiments exactly but in my case it would be grouse, I've seen more than one kind of game bird in the tree rows between the fields I mentioned earlier in this thread and getting an idea of where they're roosting a person could probably do pretty good right at day break when moving out of their roost.
I imagine the M30 would be good for a lot of game birds. Quail are a pain. Never stop moving, always run uphill and often stay out of shotgun range.
Problem I have with some airgun hunting is getting more than one shot off if need be. Most PCP bolt rifles are slow and difficult to cock, disturbing my view through the scope. If there were a relatively inexpensive, quiet, long range capable, mag fed airgun that had a bolt that was quick and easy to manipulate, I'd be all over it like ugly on a gorilla. Another thing about the M30; plain ol' traditional stock. I don't care for anything that looks like the winning entry in a taffy-pulling contest.
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I have 6 SPA guns. If the M30 works well and shoots straight, I'll have 7. It appears to be a near perfect quail hunting machine.
My sentiments exactly but in my case it would be grouse, I've seen more than one kind of game bird in the tree rows between the fields I mentioned earlier in this thread and getting an idea of where they're roosting a person could probably do pretty good right at day break when moving out of their roost.
I imagine the M30 would be good for a lot of game birds. Quail are a pain. Never stop moving, always run uphill and often stay out of shotgun range.
Problem I have with some airgun hunting is getting more than one shot off if need be. Most PCP bolt rifles are slow and difficult to cock, disturbing my view through the scope. If there were a relatively inexpensive, quiet, long range capable, mag fed airgun that had a bolt that was quick and easy to manipulate, I'd be all over it like ugly on a gorilla. Another thing about the M30; plain ol' traditional stock. I don't care for anything that looks like the winning entry in a taffy-pulling contest.
The M30 in .177 would be the ultimate birder with it's highly tunable regulator system. I can't wait to see what it's power range is, and what kind of ammo it likes at different power levels. This gun has a TON of fun written all over the feature set.
The bolt only cycles the magazine, the trigger resets automatically, that's gonna be soooo easy to cycle, there is no 'cocking' involved, just the racking of another round into the breech. Fun!
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Is there actually a place that's selling the M30 already ?
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Never have done business with them. I think that price includes the euro VAT, so it would somewhat less for us...
https://www.solware.co.uk/artemis-m30 (https://www.solware.co.uk/artemis-m30)
EDIT:
oops, didn't scroll down far enough....
"THIS ITEM IS NOT CURRENTLY AVAILABLE. WE DO NOT HAVE A CONFIRMED DATE OF RELEASE
PRICE TO BE CONFIRMED"
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The gun in that link has a freimark, that means it is under 5.5 ftlbs.
Let's hope that is just for the German market.
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I have 6 SPA guns. If the M30 works well and shoots straight, I'll have 7. It appears to be a near perfect quail hunting machine.
My sentiments exactly but in my case it would be grouse, I've seen more than one kind of game bird in the tree rows between the fields I mentioned earlier in this thread and getting an idea of where they're roosting a person could probably do pretty good right at day break when moving out of their roost.
I imagine the M30 would be good for a lot of game birds. Quail are a pain. Never stop moving, always run uphill and often stay out of shotgun range.
Problem I have with some airgun hunting is getting more than one shot off if need be. Most PCP bolt rifles are slow and difficult to cock, disturbing my view through the scope. If there were a relatively inexpensive, quiet, long range capable, mag fed airgun that had a bolt that was quick and easy to manipulate, I'd be all over it like ugly on a gorilla.
Sumatra carbine with Neil Clague LDC
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Sorry to get off subject but I wonder if Mrodair will be handling the Spa LR700W .177 and .22 pumper? Regards, Tom
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Sorry to get off subject but I wonder if Mrodair will be handling the Spa LR700W .177 and .22 pumper? Regards, Tom
I could be wrong but I think it might be mention either in this thread or another one for SPA. I'll try finding it and if I do I'll edit this post showing where it is.
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Sorry to get off subject but I wonder if Mrodair will be handling the Spa LR700W .177 and .22 pumper? Regards, Tom
I could be wrong but I think it might be mention either in this thread or another one for SPA. I'll try finding it and if I do I'll edit this post showing where it is.
;D ;D ;D :D Thank You Wayne ! You are #1 ;)
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Mike has reported that he's working on it.... along with a bunch of other new stuff.
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I have 6 SPA guns. If the M30 works well and shoots straight, I'll have 7. It appears to be a near perfect quail hunting machine.
My sentiments exactly but in my case it would be grouse, I've seen more than one kind of game bird in the tree rows between the fields I mentioned earlier in this thread and getting an idea of where they're roosting a person could probably do pretty good right at day break when moving out of their roost.
I imagine the M30 would be good for a lot of game birds. Quail are a pain. Never stop moving, always run uphill and often stay out of shotgun range.
Problem I have with some airgun hunting is getting more than one shot off if need be. Most PCP bolt rifles are slow and difficult to cock, disturbing my view through the scope. If there were a relatively inexpensive, quiet, long range capable, mag fed airgun that had a bolt that was quick and easy to manipulate, I'd be all over it like ugly on a gorilla.
Sumatra carbine with Neil Clague LDC
I really tried to like the Careers when they came out. 20-some years later and I still haven't been able to warm up to the style.
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Any updates?
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My LR700W showed up today. Didn't have much time to play but noticed some things. It takes a real man to pump it, pump 3 is harder than pump 12 on my steroid. I had to lay it across my knees and use both arms to pump. It has to be cocked to pump. It does have a piston with o-ring. The piston has an adjustment rod. The wooden pump handle was missing one of the two threaded sleeves and screw. One screw was loose in the carton. So I need to come up with a sleeve and one screw. The wooden stock and pump handle looked pretty nice. Regards, Tom
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My LR700W showed up today. Didn't have much time to play but noticed some things. It takes a real man to pump it, pump 3 is harder than pump 12 on my steroid. I had to lay it across my knees and use both arms to pump. It has to be cocked to pump. It does have a piston with o-ring. The piston has an adjustment rod. The wooden pump handle was missing one of the two threaded sleeves and screw. One screw was loose in the carton. So I need to come up with a sleeve and one screw. The wooden stock and pump handle looked pretty nice. Regards, Tom
CONGRATULATIONS !!!! I'd love to see pictures of your new gun. Best Wishes - Tom Wood
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Wow, you must be the first guy on here to get one! Too bad about the missing screw and sleave. Not very encouraging start!
If 3 is tough I wonder what 8 will be like! Looking forward to a picture as well!
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I see there is one English review now on YouTube for the lr700w. Looks like that particular one wasn't reaching the advertised fps per pump. They may not have had the piston adjusted properly or maybe not. Will be interesting to hear what kind of performance you get out of yours!
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WAAAAA !!!!! I WANT ONE !!!!! I got extra screws.
OK... today stuff is going to the classified yard sale.... I SWEAR !!!
Matter of fact... I'll be PMing DeZ to drop the price of the guns already listed to shipping included. Time to bust a move on this one.
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My LR700W showed up today. Didn't have much time to play but noticed some things. It takes a real man to pump it, pump 3 is harder than pump 12 on my steroid. I had to lay it across my knees and use both arms to pump. It has to be cocked to pump. It does have a piston with o-ring. The piston has an adjustment rod. The wooden pump handle was missing one of the two threaded sleeves and screw. One screw was loose in the carton. So I need to come up with a sleeve and one screw. The wooden stock and pump handle looked pretty nice. Regards, Tom
Sweet gun for sure! Did u order from krale ??
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Yup, it came from Krale, I imagine that it was +$50 or so over waiting for MRod.air. Did I mention that it is very hard to pump? Regards, Tom
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Did you get .177 or .22 cal?
Have u had a chance to get any chrony #s yet?
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Well the TalonP is not a Bullpup, but it is a very light weight carbine. 3.5lbs
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Anyone that has experience with these would you buy this or a kral puncher breaker. I have been wanting a bullpup and I was planning on getting a pucher breaker through Troy Hammer to avoid it failing on me, as they have had many issues. But if these are trustworthy, durable, and accurate to about 75yds or so out of the box I'll just get one of these when i can.
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Timely post as I am in the exact same mind set right now after seeing the review of that Troy Hammer Puncher Breaker.
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I'm thinking you may have a tie here
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Anymore insight on this bullpup ? Main differences vs the sp12 besides the side lever etc. ?
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This was on first page:
Unlike the P12 or P10, it has
265 cc tube
Baffles are in the shroud
Holes in the rear of shroud
Trigger is slightly different
Shotgun type trigger safety
Valve assembly is not separate (unblock valve)
Regulator design is different ( compare to Chinese regulator)
Approximately 5inch shorter
Lighter (2.1 kg)
Side liver
Hammer is slim, cylindrical in shape resembling to BSA R10, and much more lighter
No seals on pellet probe ( a seal inside the barrel)
Barrel has two seals
Two screw on barrel/tube clamp instead of four
11mm scope rail
Indent on barrel for alignment with TP ( a grub screw under the scope rail is holding the barrel)
9 shots mag (fills like FX mag).
I'd also said that the hammer system is much better than P12, if you don't do any mods on P12. I have made external SSG on my P12, so its much better that the original.
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Price difference from the p12? Does the p12 have a regulator? I'm torn between this and the hatsan bull master. I have the gladius presently. Thanks
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Joe the P12 is not regulated out of the box, but a Huma is available. MrodAir has the P12 on sale right now for $399.00. I have owned one for a couple years now and it has been bullet proof, very accurate shooting 21 gn Baracuda pellets at 40 ft lbs, and very well balanced in the field for all day hunting. (I'm sure you know it is single shot)
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Ok thanks Steve
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Any of you guys familiar with a Tula baffle set for this bullpup
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I don't know about this TULA set up
But if it threads on to the barrel , the threads on P-15 are 12mm 1.25 threads
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Do you know what the threads are on the endcap ? Or the id of the threads of the shroud and type ? I'd really like a ldc/moderator that could thread onto the shroud in place of that endcap to still use the existing baffles.
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Maybe an LDC for the Dominator will work, I don't have a spare to sell but I'm sure they're inexpensive direct from SPA but the shipping from China is expensive.
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Hmm... Thanks
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Hmm... Thanks
I just compared the PDF for both the M16 and the P15, they both share a lot of the same parts but it don't look like the LDC from the M16 will work on it.
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I can't post the link but Donnyfl makes an adapter to 1/2 x 20 unf for the P15.
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Thats to thread on the barrel right ? I want to keep the shroud and existing baffles also.
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Stony, did you go to Donnyfl web site and look? ???
The adapter screws on to (into) the shroud and has threads for a LDC to screw on past the shroud ::)
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Do you guys know what size that grub screw is on the side of the gun to remove the shroud ? I assume that's what it is for.
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Yup I figured that out. The problem I am thinking I may have if I just do an adapter is that I was told by my ldc designer that on .25 caliber rifles the accuracy may suffer. Opinions ??
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M4x6 SET screw 4mm diameter x 6mm long use a 2mm allen wrench
30 years in a large power plant as a mechanic and I never heard of a grub screw till I started reading airgun forums.
The subjects of the queen say grub screw, they also call a flashlight a torch, the car hood is a bonnet, and the trunk is a boot
ain't that a hoot
your accuracy will only be affected, if the shroud does not hold the LDC centered with the bore. Then it will clip the pellets
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Do you guys know if the P15 shares the same size shroud and endcap as the P10 and P12 ?
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I guess not
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Have you tried emailing Michael at Mrodair and asking him?
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I emailed Mike and Max. No response whatsoever. I also emailed them asking for a manual for my P15 and again no response whatsoever. I've bought from them in the past and always the same deal. No or very little interest after or sometimes before the sale. Cool products they offer but thank god I haven't had issues where I've had to return or exchange anything. Fingers crossed!!
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Dang sorry to hear. I don't remember getting a manual for the p15. I'll look around for one. If I find it I'll let ya know. I don't need a manual I got a parts diagram lol.
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Cool. Thanks
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PM sent.