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Title: RTI Arms
Post by: Job on September 09, 2016, 01:16:40 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, it looks good  :o

http://www.rtiarms.eu/priest (http://www.rtiarms.eu/priest)

Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: aluminumfetish on September 09, 2016, 01:33:13 PM
For sure !  :o
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: dcorvino on September 09, 2016, 02:20:32 PM
The priest does look good
Like the price and fact you can take off the bottle and teather it
Should be available here soon from what I have heard

Dave
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Job on September 09, 2016, 02:59:38 PM
Already available

http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/air-guns-air-rifles/rti-arms-the-priest/ (http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/air-guns-air-rifles/rti-arms-the-priest/)
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: dmeguy on September 09, 2016, 03:02:44 PM
Per bottom of the description "Expected delivery date is November 5th"
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: dcorvino on September 09, 2016, 03:30:28 PM
Already available

http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/air-guns-air-rifles/rti-arms-the-priest/ (http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/air-guns-air-rifles/rti-arms-the-priest/)

Yep Randy will be carrying them
Didn't want to give it away
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Rico14 on September 09, 2016, 03:41:20 PM
Don't know if I want my hand almost on top of the bipod, might take a while getting used to it
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on September 09, 2016, 06:21:05 PM
I personally hate when companies make and almost in this case identical clone of someone else's hard work. I mean couldn't they have atleast changed the design a little. Other than that cool beans
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: aluminumfetish on September 09, 2016, 06:55:38 PM
I'm sure the guys at FX have bigger fish to fry.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Dairyboy on September 09, 2016, 07:28:42 PM
They talked about it on another forum and actually was being designed before the impact came out. In case anyone was wondering they didn't steal the idea from FX
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on September 10, 2016, 03:05:53 PM
Well someone copied someone that's for sure no way is it a coincidence.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Dairyboy on September 10, 2016, 04:13:28 PM
Yeah I'm not really sure on all the specifics but I guess it is what it is. I know I would be choosing this over the impact though. Much simpler design and hopefully less issues.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on September 10, 2016, 04:19:36 PM
Not sure if it does or doesn't have all the Impact issues only time will tell. I hope it doesn't but who knows.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: anti-squirrel on September 11, 2016, 12:24:56 AM
What a beauty!

I doubt anybody copied anybody.  This is more likely a case of "let's make a minimalistic regulated bottle-gun with a compact lightweight AR-style stock"... FX went one way, RTI went another.  The end results look alike- probably because the design criteria were similar.  I'm especially fond of the cocking bolt on the Priest- much more than the sidelever on the Impact.  At just over 4 1/2 pounds tethered, this screams "pesting machine".
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Zebra on September 11, 2016, 10:53:34 PM
Let's not get silly about this. The look of these guns is not original to either FX or RTI. The styling is obviously based on an AR-15 so they are both copy-cats but why should we care?

In case anyone is thinking of telling us that they meant the multi-caliber option or the position of the air bottle, check out the Airrow from swivel machine. That gun came out 20 years before the Impact or the Priest. It looks like an AR. It's an air gun and it's available with multiple barrel kits. In fact, it has more caliber options than the Impact. In addition to calibers ranging from .177 up to .38, It also has an arrow barrel and if that's not enough, it has grapnel hook barrels, harpoon barrels and tranquilizer barrels. It has an externally adjustable regulator option. It can be run on just 2000 psi air while still delivering over 110fpe. It can also be run on CO2. You can get all of the caliber options for just $600.

So, as you can see, there is nothing original in either gun's styling.

Personally, I hope they both get copied ten times over and we have access to better versions for half the money. The price of the FX Impact and some other guns is getting ridiculous. That's what happens in the absence of strong competition. I hope the Priest does really well.

It's not like there isn't room for more competition. FX is not exactly doing a good job of keeping up with demand. They have a six month backlog so another option is more than welcome.

Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Job on September 16, 2016, 03:31:23 PM
Full review  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN-_Ss42RLs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN-_Ss42RLs)
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Zebra on September 16, 2016, 05:48:48 PM
Is it an actual "review" or paid advertising? I don't know much about the guy in the video except that he used to work in the comic book store in the Simpsons. He sounds local to where RTI are based. Could he be a friend of the owner?

Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Tomg on September 16, 2016, 06:31:56 PM
I like a lot of the design features, and performance, however, the side panels....good grief. Looks a bit like Evanix, which is not a good thing in my book.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: z324u on September 20, 2016, 12:13:16 AM
Wow, I really like the cocking method of this gun vs the impact.  It's a lot like the colibri.
I gotta say though, the profit margins on these guns has to be pretty good......

maybe they did, but it would be so easy to utilize the mounting style of the ar15 grip.  This would open up almost limitless possibilities for hand grip styles.  I could also see where it would be really easy to have custom water jet sideplates made for it.  I'd like to see the gun in burnt bronze and black.

It seemed like the gun wasn't silenced as good as some others, did it not have any baffles?  It seemed like the inside of the shroud was empty to me?   Maybe opportunity to really quieten the gun down even more.

I like it - if I don't have a PCP by November I may grab one.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: rkr on September 20, 2016, 01:03:42 AM
Wow, I really like the cocking method of this gun vs the impact.  It's a lot like the colibri.
I gotta say though, the profit margins on these guns has to be pretty good......

maybe they did, but it would be so easy to utilize the mounting style of the ar15 grip.  This would open up almost limitless possibilities for hand grip styles.  I could also see where it would be really easy to have custom water jet sideplates made for it.  I'd like to see the gun in burnt bronze and black.

It seemed like the gun wasn't silenced as good as some others, did it not have any baffles?  It seemed like the inside of the shroud was empty to me?   Maybe opportunity to really quieten the gun down even more.

I like it - if I don't have a PCP by November I may grab one.

No baffles, just an air stripper venting to a shroud. You can add a LDC which should make it really quiet but the thread is M14, not the usual 1/2" UNF.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: binfordw on September 20, 2016, 01:44:10 AM
I like a lot of the design features, and performance, however, the side panels....good grief. Looks a bit like Evanix, which is not a good thing in my book.


Exactly,  1980's erector set leftovers?

I guess it all is aesthetical, but still, bugs me, seems cheap.  Although I cringed at the black oxide button heads with washers on the WARP too.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on September 20, 2016, 11:45:47 AM
No way is anyone going to convince me The Priest wasn't a persons direct attempt at coping a well known air rifle. I've seen this for years now with Chinese importers copying Edguns and others I just think it's wrong. But hey it's my personal opinion and that's all. That said the Priest would look way better with the carbon bottle on it not that clunky aluminum one on there in this pic.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Avra on September 20, 2016, 12:33:21 PM
No...no...It is not a copy.That is NOT a Bobcat or a Wildcat in the brand logo.
It is a Lynx!
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: farmerjoe99 on September 20, 2016, 01:37:08 PM
Well everyone is free to have his or her opinion,
I myself tend to agree with anti-squirrel and Zebra,
and don't see this as a bad thing nor necessarily copying,
it would be pretty rough for us users if company's were afraid to take someone elses
idea and change it and build on it to make it better in their eyes.

That said I would probably feel differently if I was an actual designer that was copied without credit...
the key here is to do your best and leave it up to the people... its the excellent quality, service, and most of all the relationships
of companies like WAR, RAW, and AAA that make them the great.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on September 20, 2016, 01:44:43 PM
Wow, I really like the cocking method of this gun vs the impact.  It's a lot like the colibri.
I gotta say though, the profit margins on these guns has to be pretty good......

maybe they did, but it would be so easy to utilize the mounting style of the ar15 grip.  This would open up almost limitless possibilities for hand grip styles.  I could also see where it would be really easy to have custom water jet sideplates made for it.  I'd like to see the gun in burnt bronze and black.

It seemed like the gun wasn't silenced as good as some others, did it not have any baffles?  It seemed like the inside of the shroud was empty to me?   Maybe opportunity to really quieten the gun down even more.

I like it - if I don't have a PCP by November I may grab one.

Per their description: Standard AR15 grip (must be without beaver tail)
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: BigTinBoat on September 20, 2016, 01:45:59 PM
No way is anyone going to convince me The Priest wasn't a persons direct attempt at coping a well known air rifle.


But how do we know who copied who?

When I do an image search of an FX Impact the 1st result is an FX Impact. The 2nd result is this. (And  found it in a post from 2012) So I wonder who copied who in the Impact/Evanix case?
(http://www.evanix.com/products/gtl480_1n.jpg)
(https://images.guntrader.uk/GunImages/16/1604/16041/160415113422001/160415113422001-1.jpg)


If anything though it looks like the "appearance" is what is copied. How about the Cricket, Edgun, Mutant and all the other "Bullpups" out there?
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Zebra on September 20, 2016, 02:51:49 PM
No way is anyone going to convince me The Priest wasn't a persons direct attempt at coping a well known air rifle. I've seen this for years now with Chinese importers copying Edguns and others I just think it's wrong. But hey it's my personal opinion and that's all. That said the Priest would look way better with the carbon bottle on it not that clunky aluminum one on there in this pic.


Yeah I hate it when companies make similar looking air rifles:


(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Zebracf/image.jpg1_zpsrwbi9ak3.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/Zebracf/media/image.jpg1_zpsrwbi9ak3.jpg.html)



(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Zebracf/image.jpg1_zpsmxac1lvh.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/Zebracf/media/image.jpg1_zpsmxac1lvh.jpg.html)



(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Zebracf/image.jpg1_zpsq3yxm99x.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/Zebracf/media/image.jpg1_zpsq3yxm99x.jpg.html)



(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Zebracf/image.jpg2_zpsofzhffjb.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/Zebracf/media/image.jpg2_zpsofzhffjb.jpg.html)


I only like pcp guns that are totally unique like the.... Um.... you know.... the.... wait a minute.... um.... nope, can't think of a single one.

FX have never been shy about patenting their inventions. They can't patent things they didn't invent though so, if a new air gun is not breaching a patent or using someone else's trademark then it's perfectly legal and moral. It's called competition and every industry has it or it's a monopoly, which is bad.

We've had a little taste of how we customers get treated when there is no competition and I don't like it at all. It's long delays, poor quality control and a generally horrible experience.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on September 20, 2016, 03:05:03 PM
No way is anyone going to convince me The Priest wasn't a persons direct attempt at coping a well known air rifle. I've seen this for years now with Chinese importers copying Edguns and others I just think it's wrong. But hey it's my personal opinion and that's all. That said the Priest would look way better with the carbon bottle on it not that clunky aluminum one on there in this pic.


Yeah I hate it when companies make similar looking air rifles:


(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Zebracf/image.jpg1_zpsrwbi9ak3.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/Zebracf/media/image.jpg1_zpsrwbi9ak3.jpg.html)



(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Zebracf/image.jpg1_zpsmxac1lvh.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/Zebracf/media/image.jpg1_zpsmxac1lvh.jpg.html)



(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Zebracf/image.jpg1_zpsq3yxm99x.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/Zebracf/media/image.jpg1_zpsq3yxm99x.jpg.html)



(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Zebracf/image.jpg2_zpsofzhffjb.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/Zebracf/media/image.jpg2_zpsofzhffjb.jpg.html)


I only like pcp guns that are totally unique like the.... Um.... you know.... the.... wait a minute.... um.... nope, can't think of a single one.
Zebra your stretching it LOL, seriously I dont mind at all that guns have similar features theres only so many ways to skin a cat but the priest is dam near identical. I can see im beating a dead horse Its a clone plain and simple.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Tomg on September 20, 2016, 03:13:44 PM
The Flex doesn't look like any other rifle, unless you mean it looks like a rifle...When I was asked to design the stock, I was given a simple framework directive, trigger placement, ,AR compatibility, and it had to be rugged, that was it. I was free to put a few functional features in with the help of Jim and Travis.

To some extent, all rifles will have features that looks similar to other guns, however there is a difference between copying the entire footprint of a popular gun, and coming up with something that have features similar to something else.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Zebra on September 20, 2016, 03:27:15 PM
Old Pro, if you're the guy that makes the Flex then I say this with the greatest of respect because I think it's a great product that I intend to buy at some point but nobody is going to mistake the Priest for an Impact.

There are certain design similarities in that they are both bullpups and bottle guns - something neither of them invented. They both borrow some styling elements from the AR15 (like yourself and many others) and none of you can claim credit for that. What makes the Flex aesthetics original? If it's more than moving the carry handle to the other side, I don't see it. Again, that's not me saying it isn't an excellent product. It's just not original but I couldn't care less about that and neither can any of your happy customers.

The Priest brings a number of important new features to the market. The ability to run the bottle off the gun is something I have wanted to a while and can't get on the Impact. The price is more consumer friendly and it doesn't have a 6 month waiting list (yet). It's release is a good thing for customers.

This is very different to the Chinese fraudsters who make exact copies and use other people's brand names. In some cases, they actually pass off their fakes as the real deal but sell a low quality product. That is a bad thing.

If the Priest turns out to be a low quality product then it won't sell well. Information spreads too quickly on the Internet. If it turns out to be accurate then nobody will care who the designer was. That's just the way it is.

My Taipan Mutant looks similar to my Cricket but so what... It's awesome. The P12 looks like my Cricket too but I wouldn't consider it to be in the same league.




Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on September 20, 2016, 03:42:00 PM
 Rob I respect your opinion and I totally understand where your coming from but they look too close for comfort to me. If I was FX id be really perturbed but they probably have their hands full with all the issues the Impact has. I certainly would take a priest over and impact from what ive seen so far but not having shot one yet who knows? I like the design alot and I had something very very similar in the works and had to drop it when the impact arrived on the market. I love all the new technology thats pumping into the market these days, we are going to see advances like no other time in PCP history the next few years. 
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Tomg on September 20, 2016, 04:02:37 PM
To each their own, I am not here to argue this way or that. However as being a designer for the better part of 35 years, I do have a working knowledge of how things work, and they are usually one of these:

A) You accidentally look similar to another product due to the design specifications have lead you on the same path.
B) You take cues from other developers and incorporate it into your own development.
C) You reverse engineer and/or copy someone else product almost verbatim, with very little distinguishing the two, but enough to not getting into trouble.

I personally think the A and B version is certainly a honest and straightforward, whereas C is dubious and dishonest.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Tucobenedicto on September 20, 2016, 04:11:28 PM
Nice,but a bit overpriced for a gun with a standard paintball regulator,isn't?
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Hunt4dinner on September 20, 2016, 04:13:25 PM
I personally will stand back for about a year and let everyone else buy the priest and test it out for me!
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Tucobenedicto on September 20, 2016, 04:15:17 PM
No...no...It is not a copy.That is NOT a Bobcat or a Wildcat in the brand logo.
It is a Lynx!
 ;D ;D ;D
Lynx setup,copied from american tuners.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on September 20, 2016, 04:54:07 PM
Sorta wish I had cancelled my order for an Armada and waited for this Priest.  In my limited opinion the only competition is the FX Impact and the W.A.R. offerings.  Here's the bottom line from a guy like myself with a champagne taste on a beer budget, if the Priest proves itself worthy, I'm choosing that offering.  That's the giant elephant in the room.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: anti-squirrel on September 21, 2016, 12:31:17 AM
I'd consider the Priest a clone if it had sidelever-cocking (not a "charging bolt") and the incredible adjustability of the Impact.  Since it has neither, I repeat that form followed function.  AR-grip, bullpup, bottle-gun, skeleton framed stock, shrouded.  With those in mind, I think just about anything anybody comes up with will look like these.  As Tomg indicated, it would be item A in his list.

After all, look at how many bolt-action sporter-stock PCPs look alike.

As long as it shoots accurately and is reliable, who cares?  My guess it is will be far simpler than the Impact, and the Navy-guy in me loves the KISS principle. 
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Skinard88 on September 21, 2016, 10:16:09 PM
Bizill said just what I was thinking.  If the Priest performs well, then I might just go down that road. I just wish the WARP was a little more budget friendly.  I think I will wait for Nov.5th and look for some reviews.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on September 21, 2016, 10:28:42 PM
Mmmmm, this bad boy is already regulated as well.  I'm quite sure I'll regret not refusing my Benji Armada when it's delivered tomorrow.  Wish I could afford the Armada, Priest and the beloved WARP, but funds dictate otherwise.  I wish this thread had come up just a few days sooner.  But without any reviews besides the one with the fella in his tiny shorts, well...I don't want to be part of the testing and development dept for RTI Arms unless they place me on their payroll. 

I WILL be keeping an eye on this AG.  Arrow option seems cool as well.  Price seems right.  I hate choices being that I'm so indecisive.

ETA: I'm new to this but is the regulator on this or the bottle adjustable, or do you have to purchase a specific psi setting for each tune or power level you'd want?
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: BigTinBoat on September 22, 2016, 09:28:14 AM


ETA: I'm new to this but is the regulator on this or the bottle adjustable, or do you have to purchase a specific psi setting for each tune or power level you'd want?

Based on the website:
Hi-Cap Bottle with Regulator
Priest comes with a 320cc buddy bottle which has a working pressure of 300bar. On top of it it has a pressure regulator which is by default set to 125bar. This combination allows us to make a whole lot of consistent shots.

and these pics:
(http://www.rtiarms.eu/images/priest/2016_08_12_The-Priest_02.jpg)(http://jdsairman.com/sitebuilder/images/IMG_3242-474x311.jpg)

I would say that the regulator is manufacturer in the same place the JDS regulators are made. (only they use a fancier chrome bonnet) The pressure should be adjustable and you should also be able to improve the regulator function with the addition of a Ninja piston if you feel comfortable doing so
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on September 22, 2016, 12:06:54 PM
So I guess that screw on the regulator would adjust it?  No way to see what you've adjusted it to besides a chrony to find your speed?  That or another in-line manometer?  I guess it doesn't matter too much what setting you're at so long as you meet your needs using a chrony.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: BigTinBoat on September 22, 2016, 01:14:20 PM
So I guess that screw on the regulator would adjust it?  No way to see what you've adjusted it to besides a chrony to find your speed?  That or another in-line manometer?  I guess it doesn't matter too much what setting you're at so long as you meet your needs using a chrony.

No - the regulator bonnet is taken off and then the belleville stack it made shorter, or longer to lower or raise the pressure. Not an exact science, it takes some trial and error. For instance a "stack" that gives 1200psi might take a shim of .01" to raise it 100psi, but a "stack" that gives 2800 might only take a .001" shim to raise the pressure 100psi.

Best way it to have a pressure gauge that you can screw the ASA fitting into. I made mine from an ASA on/off valve and a gauge.

Once your regulator is changed you then need to change the hammer spring tension to adjust it for efficiency.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on September 22, 2016, 01:20:30 PM
Thanks for the explanation.  So obviously it'd be normal they provide necessary amounts of various shims, as would any rugulator/regulated bottle such as this? 
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: BigTinBoat on September 22, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
Thanks for the explanation.  So obviously it'd be normal they provide necessary amounts of various shims, as would any rugulator/regulated bottle such as this?

Doubtful. The manufacturer will (should) tune the gun for what they feel best. It is up to you if you want to change it.
It would be like Remington providing you with powder, primers and different weight slugs to that you could fine tune their 30-06 ammo they produce.
Or like Chevrolet providing you will several different sets of axle gears so that depending if you drive city, beltway or tow trailers the majority of the time.

Now ninja does sell some regulators that they advertise as "Adjustable". With these they do include 2 or 3 shims so that you can change the pressure from 850 to about 1000psi. (IIRC)
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on September 22, 2016, 01:36:17 PM
Gotcha, thanks for another learning session.

So looking at their website they say they're regulated at 125 bar, would I be correct to assume that would be best for .22 and it would be higher for their .25 kit when it's shipped?  Sorry, still learning all this fun stuff.

Also, I've only had a limited chance to skim through the long review on youtube posted here and couldn't critique it.  Was that ping I was hearing when the gentleman shot it?  I know you can deping the reservoirs on say, a Marauder but if that's ping in the bottle of the Priest, can that be remedied?  Sorry for the odd questions.  I've got a limited timeframe to decide whether or not to accept/keep my Armada that's inbound or wait for the Priest.  All whilst going into this as a rookie.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Tucobenedicto on September 22, 2016, 02:52:27 PM
That was my thinking too,a rifle priced like this would deserve an high quality regulator,not a one we can buy from china for 12 bucks  ;)
Fortunately a Ninja rebuild kit can push up consistency and reliability at low cost.
Doing this require a regulator tester with a decent gauge,but this is always a good investment for pcp owners.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Job on September 23, 2016, 02:06:31 AM
This would be a good combination for this gun, but regulator it can go up to 3000 psi  :(

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-Paintball-Airsoft-3000-4500PSI-Air-Tank-Regulator-Output-Pressure-450-2200-PSI-Hairline-Finish/32726789053.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.162.2x5LAC&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_8,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_112_10069_110_111_418_10017_109_108_10060_10061_10062_10057_10056_10055_10054_10059_10058_10073_10070_10052_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=1302d15f-b981-4cab-912b-0c9d51474cd3 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-Paintball-Airsoft-3000-4500PSI-Air-Tank-Regulator-Output-Pressure-450-2200-PSI-Hairline-Finish/32726789053.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.162.2x5LAC&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_8,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_112_10069_110_111_418_10017_109_108_10060_10061_10062_10057_10056_10055_10054_10059_10058_10073_10070_10052_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=1302d15f-b981-4cab-912b-0c9d51474cd3)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/0-5L-30MPa-High-Pressure-Composite-Carbon-Fiber-Compressed-Air-Mini-Gas-Cylinder-Bottle/32695958681.html?spm=2114.01010108.3.208.Fi5whP&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_8,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_112_10069_110_111_418_10017_109_108_10060_10061_10062_10057_10056_10055_10054_10059_10058_10073_10070_10052_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=a5d18f81-3817-4619-b1d6-15f8c4f0b1dd (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/0-5L-30MPa-High-Pressure-Composite-Carbon-Fiber-Compressed-Air-Mini-Gas-Cylinder-Bottle/32695958681.html?spm=2114.01010108.3.208.Fi5whP&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_8,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_112_10069_110_111_418_10017_109_108_10060_10061_10062_10057_10056_10055_10054_10059_10058_10073_10070_10052_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=a5d18f81-3817-4619-b1d6-15f8c4f0b1dd)
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: BigTinBoat on September 23, 2016, 10:46:40 AM
This would be a good combination for this gun, but regulator it can go up to 3000 psi  :(

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-Paintball-Airsoft-3000-4500PSI-Air-Tank-Regulator-Output-Pressure-450-2200-PSI-Hairline-Finish/32726789053.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.162.2x5LAC&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_8,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_112_10069_110_111_418_10017_109_108_10060_10061_10062_10057_10056_10055_10054_10059_10058_10073_10070_10052_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=1302d15f-b981-4cab-912b-0c9d51474cd3 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-New-Paintball-Airsoft-3000-4500PSI-Air-Tank-Regulator-Output-Pressure-450-2200-PSI-Hairline-Finish/32726789053.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.162.2x5LAC&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_8,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_112_10069_110_111_418_10017_109_108_10060_10061_10062_10057_10056_10055_10054_10059_10058_10073_10070_10052_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=1302d15f-b981-4cab-912b-0c9d51474cd3)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/0-5L-30MPa-High-Pressure-Composite-Carbon-Fiber-Compressed-Air-Mini-Gas-Cylinder-Bottle/32695958681.html?spm=2114.01010108.3.208.Fi5whP&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_8,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_112_10069_110_111_418_10017_109_108_10060_10061_10062_10057_10056_10055_10054_10059_10058_10073_10070_10052_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=a5d18f81-3817-4619-b1d6-15f8c4f0b1dd (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/0-5L-30MPa-High-Pressure-Composite-Carbon-Fiber-Compressed-Air-Mini-Gas-Cylinder-Bottle/32695958681.html?spm=2114.01010108.3.208.Fi5whP&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_8,searchweb201602_1_10065_10068_112_10069_110_111_418_10017_109_108_10060_10061_10062_10057_10056_10055_10054_10059_10058_10073_10070_10052_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_4&btsid=a5d18f81-3817-4619-b1d6-15f8c4f0b1dd)

Looks to me like the reg can go to 4500psi. Most likely the reg on the gun can be unscrewed from the aluminum bottle and put right on the CF bottle you have listed. Most of the "imported" bottle (daystate, AF, etc. )are metric thread like the CF ones.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on September 23, 2016, 05:01:19 PM
Well after my Armada showed up with issues, it's going back.  Got my downpayment in with R&L.  I'll be a guinea pig, against my normally better judgement.  Hey, I'm a religious man...
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: aluminumfetish on September 23, 2016, 05:36:17 PM
I found this on youtube today... haven't seen it in the forums. It's got a similar style too !! Sorry if this isn't thread worthy but it is similar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGAeTKZQ4_4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGAeTKZQ4_4)
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Skinard88 on September 23, 2016, 07:54:11 PM
The predator marauder titanium is pretty darn cool!  Where can we buy one of those I wander?
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Cyknife on September 25, 2016, 08:23:07 PM
  I certainly would take a priest over and impact from what ive seen so far but not having shot one yet who knows? I like the design alot and I had something very very similar in the works and had to drop it when the impact arrived on the market. I love all the new technology thats pumping into the market these days, we are going to see advances like no other time in PCP history the next few years.

Why drop your product? The impact is merely the bare Essence of a bullpup (with a chubby price tag) same with this rti. Pure form follows function. And now I want one.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: rkr on September 25, 2016, 10:56:26 PM
The predator marauder titanium is pretty darn cool!  Where can we buy one of those I wander?

Sorry but to me it looks like a hack. Questionable design solutions and quality wise it looks like something I could have made (not a good thing). Just look at the breech, it's made from four separate pieces and the upper with magazine well is really flimsy. How about a nice and sturdy monoblock with proper support for free floating barrel so you don't need a barrel band on the bottle?
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Zebra on September 26, 2016, 06:13:22 PM
Rob I respect your opinion and I totally understand where your coming from but they look too close for comfort to me. If I was FX id be really perturbed but they probably have their hands full with all the issues the Impact has. I certainly would take a priest over and impact from what ive seen so far but not having shot one yet who knows? I like the design alot and I had something very very similar in the works and had to drop it when the impact arrived on the market. I love all the new technology thats pumping into the market these days, we are going to see advances like no other time in PCP history the next few years.


As long as it's not outside the law, all is fair in love and war as they say.

If you create a new design then you can patent the original features but a company has no exclusive rights over design features they did not invent. With the best will in the world, if FX are not comfortable with the Priest, that's just tough. You have to expect competition if you're in business and they have no claim over air guns with the AR look.

Even if FX had a legal claim, they would have to prove damages and it's hard to claim that your business has been harmed when you have a 6 month backlog of orders for the product in question.

If I were you, I would feel free to release any product you like without worrying if it looks similar to an FX. Believe me, they will not be showing you the same courtesy. You are competitors and you owe them nothing. Just like how Pepsi has no reason to care that their product looks like Coke or McDonald's with Burger King.

You have to assume that the air gun market will develop like the firearms market if it continues to grow. Look at the AR platform where you can legally buy generic receivers from a large number of small machine shops throughout America. Customers have a range of options for quality and price plus a huge number of compatible aftermarket accessories. They all compete on quality and price (The way it should be).

IMO, the smart airgun manufacturer would be licensing out popular designs and creating an equivalent platform that customers  and manufacturers of aftermarket accessories can invest in. That's how you monetize your IP. Air gun designs are too easy to copy for any company to be able to keep their designs as sacred cows. All this reinventing the wheel just adds cost and time to the process that benefits nobody.

The way I look at it... If it's good for you, good for your customers, good for your investors and not illegal, there is no moral issues to worry about.

What isn't good or moral is when customers don't have a choice and are treated poorly. Exclusivity and monopolies usually results in exploitation.

Plus, there is more than enough business for all of you to do well.

I (for one) would love to see a WAR bullpup. I think it would be awesome. I'd like it to be based on the Flex platform and be modular so I could use it as a bullpup or a rifle, short or long, big bore or small - all with a range of aftermarket accessories.

I would like scope rails to be attached to the barrel like on the Steyr HS50 so you can switch caliber  without having to rezero every time. Just my 2c.


Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on September 28, 2016, 02:25:04 PM
$62.25 each per mag.  Ships with one.  Hurry up and release the gun so somebody can whip up a single shot tray!
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Harold999 on September 29, 2016, 05:00:39 PM
Just heard that the .30 Priest will be around $350,- more than the smaller calibers.  :'(
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on September 30, 2016, 05:22:09 PM
It was asked on Youtube:

How many shots per fill did you get with the .25


Gregor Kamenšek1 day ago
Around 60 - 70 shots at high power from 300 bar fill
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Zebra on October 01, 2016, 09:05:33 PM
Just heard that the .30 Priest will be around $350,- more than the smaller calibers.  :'(

You sure that's not $350 for the .30 barrel kit?
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: aluminumfetish on October 01, 2016, 09:33:03 PM
I think he said 350.00 more than the smaller barrel kits.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Harold999 on October 02, 2016, 12:02:25 AM
Just heard that the .30 Priest will be around $350,- more than the smaller calibers.  :'(

You sure that's not $350 for the .30 barrel kit?

Pretty sure. A Priest in .30 will be $1350. A Priest in .177/.22/.25 will be $995.

Pricing of the barrel kits, no idea, but the .30 kit should be a fair amount. Wáy more than the other kits.  :-\
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Zebra on October 02, 2016, 12:52:00 AM
Just heard that the .30 Priest will be around $350,- more than the smaller calibers.  :'(

You sure that's not $350 for the .30 barrel kit?

Pretty sure. A Priest in .30 will be $1350. A Priest in .177/.22/.25 will be $995.

Pricing of the barrel kits, no idea, but the .30 kit should be a fair amount. Wáy more than the other kits.  :-\

That's odd. Never understood why larger calibers cost more with certain brands. It doesn't cost more for a .30 LW or ST barrel so it just makes me feel like they are trying to rip us off. It's always the overpriced and inferior brands that do it like Evanix and Ataman.

Daystate, FX, Vulcan costs the same all calibers.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: dcorvino on October 02, 2016, 01:06:02 AM
Hi
R&L is selling the priest for $1130.95 for the rifle in your choice of calibers and $334.95 for the barrel kits no difference in price for caliber   
He has not listed the 30 cal option yet currently stocking 177,22 and 25 caliber
Hope this helps

Dave
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on October 02, 2016, 03:55:05 AM
Pre-ordering.  Not quite stocked just yet.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Harold999 on October 03, 2016, 05:55:19 PM
where did you find that info? RL is selling them for 1130.

Email conversation with the manufacturer himself. He answers all questions: info ad rtiarms.eu

RL is selling them for 1130, but not the .30. The .30 is expected mid january.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Harold999 on October 03, 2016, 06:58:36 PM
They sell for 995 euro's in Europe, so i guessed the same amount for the US.  ;)
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: deucelee on October 03, 2016, 11:29:35 PM
with .30 pellets costing almost twice as much as .25's, I will pass on them.  .25's should be plenty powerful enough to get the varmins that I need. 

I put down my $100 too.  I was told they're getting a suppressor ready at the time of delivery and that shouldn't cost an arm and a leg either.  That should hopefully make it quiet enough for my neighborhood shooting needs. :)
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on October 04, 2016, 01:02:26 AM
Man... it's gonna be a long month.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Jman2311 on October 05, 2016, 09:52:09 PM
I spoke to R&L today he stated that the .25 should come with the 150bar reg on the bottle.  However I have yet to confirm this anywhere else.

Does anyone have any input on this.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: rkr on October 05, 2016, 10:37:50 PM
I spoke to R&L today he stated that the .25 should come with the 150bar reg on the bottle.  However I have yet to confirm this anywhere else.

Does anyone have any input on this.

Should be good enough for 60+ fpe with that 20" barrel.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: aluminumfetish on October 06, 2016, 09:43:03 AM
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Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: BigTinBoat on October 06, 2016, 10:06:06 AM
I spoke to R&L today he stated that the .25 should come with the 150bar reg on the bottle.  However I have yet to confirm this anywhere else.

Does anyone have any input on this.

Should be good enough for 60+ fpe with that 20" barrel.

Sounds right - my Flex .25 with 17inch barrel and a set point of 140bar gives me 50fpe with MK2's.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on October 06, 2016, 01:35:40 PM
I specifically asked R&L if the .25 will be coming with the 150 bar reg and was told they believe so, for what it's worth...

I'm not finding anything new in general anywhere about this Priest.  I know it's still a month out but they need to market this thing now.  Well, one positive of under-advertising is they won't have such a huge backlog of airguns to fulfill. ???
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: deucelee on October 07, 2016, 10:04:52 PM
I specifically asked R&L if the .25 will be coming with the 150 bar reg and was told they believe so, for what it's worth...

I'm not finding anything new in general anywhere about this Priest.  I know it's still a month out but they need to market this thing now.  Well, one positive of under-advertising is they won't have such a huge backlog of airguns to fulfill. ???

Hopefully they're and you're correct on that 150 bar reg...

also hoping that this 'pre-order' of $100 down means they'll be able to get my specific setup from overseas and actually get it ordered as such!
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: solder on October 07, 2016, 10:45:25 PM
Always something new. There goes the Mutant and BSA R10 SE I was gonna get.. Oh well!
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: DocMortal on October 10, 2016, 04:13:39 PM
Just pulled the trigger on The Priest after a month long consideration of all current offerings. The price point for what you get pulled me into this one.

Glad to be a beta tester 👍 lol

Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: ackuric on October 10, 2016, 04:53:30 PM
So tempting to be a beta tester myself, but can't seem to pull the trigger due to the cocking mechanism being left side only (for now)

Seems like this rifle is being rushed to market imo, lacking in calibers and ambidextrous design (for now they say)...

Just my 2 cents, I think this design has quite a bit going for it but doesn't dismiss the fact it seems rushed to production.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: skorec on October 25, 2016, 04:45:48 AM
“You can add a LDC which should make it really quiet but the thread is M14, not the usual 1/2" UNF.”

If I look on Priest it is the time to switch to metric system.
I hope that RTI Arms also develop word wide unique barrel at caliber  3,5 mm for 16 Joule guns



Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on October 31, 2016, 04:59:44 PM
Keep an eye out for an email from R&L.  There will be a minor delay, which I for one expected.  I won't go into it as I may give false info but was told emails for pre-orders will be notifying everyone of the delay and reasoning.  I honestly don't expect it until next year, but that's just being pessimistic, which lessens the hurt in a Murphy's Law type of situation.  It could very well arrive shortly after the originally purported release date.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: DocMortal on October 31, 2016, 05:51:13 PM
I figured in that unfortunately, so I'm thinking of getting a Vulcan or Wildcat .

Keeping fingers crossed
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on October 31, 2016, 07:19:39 PM
Those 2 are in my crosshairs due to the side lever/cocking.  Mutant and Cricket are toward the rear and Mutant in only .22 for now.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on October 31, 2016, 08:27:31 PM
 If this gun shoots well and doesnt have the Impact issues with its price point it will put a sting in those FX sales. Any idea on launch date as of late?
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: DocMortal on October 31, 2016, 09:54:24 PM
I called R&L great people by the way ,The Priest are now 3 to 4 weeks away.

I went ahead and canceled my order got myself a Wildcat .25.

I was looking forward to this gun but just to impatient and need to shoot lol.

Good luck guys I'm sure it will be a winner!
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on October 31, 2016, 11:50:09 PM
AFAIK the Wildcat has been time-proven and has a longstanding company to back it.  RTI Arms is new so there exists no track record.  I doubt the Priest would end up a $1,200 paper weight but who can tell at this stage. 
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on November 01, 2016, 12:36:36 AM
AFAIK the Wildcat has been time-proven and has a longstanding company to back it.  RTI Arms is new so there exists no track record.  I doubt the Priest would end up a $1,200 paper weight but who can tell at this stage.
Both good statements
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: rkr on November 01, 2016, 03:31:44 AM
“You can add a LDC which should make it really quiet but the thread is M14, not the usual 1/2" UNF.”

If I look on Priest it is the time to switch to metric system.
I hope that RTI Arms also develop word wide unique barrel at caliber  3,5 mm for 16 Joule guns


I don't quite understand why we should suddenly move to M14 threads while 1/2" UNF is de-facto standard for airguns. All LDC manufacturers support 1/2" while only few can provide M14 versions. This sounds like one of them things EU does, we'll change the standard because we can (and because it was not invented in France) - no matter the costs or complications.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: PiterM on November 01, 2016, 05:20:25 AM
Quote
I don't quite understand why we should suddenly move to M14 threads while 1/2" UNF is de-facto standard for airguns.

To sell more own products? Best way to sell another moderator to someone, who already has some.

BTW, it's not just European approach. Recently I was looking for moderator for my Theoben SLR and guess what... Theoben own thread with 28 TPI instead of 20 TPI, which is standard for airguns. I ended up with a cu$tom one. So it happens everywhere...
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on November 01, 2016, 10:22:20 AM
The answer is to prevent your moderator from being able to be put on a powder burner and that my friend is a federal offense. We at WAR do the same thing for just that reason
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: skorec on November 01, 2016, 10:58:11 AM
“You can add a LDC which should make it really quiet but the thread is M14, not the usual 1/2" UNF.”

If I look on Priest it is the time to switch to metric system.
I hope that RTI Arms also develop word wide unique barrel at caliber  3,5 mm for 16 Joule guns


I don't quite understand why we should suddenly move to M14 threads while 1/2" UNF is de-facto standard for airguns. All LDC manufacturers support 1/2" while only few can provide M14 versions. This sounds like one of them things EU does, we'll change the standard because we can (and because it was not invented in France) - no matter the costs or complications.

SORRY
Not suddenly but step by step. This air  gun is good enough to accept first step however I am also confused whit not standard  thread.  Sorry about   banter from my side.

I really do not like yards, feet, inches, PSI, FPE, ……
SORRY
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Jman2311 on November 01, 2016, 10:04:54 PM
If you're anything like me it is a very impatient wait.  There just isn't anything else on the market offering what the priest does, Less you want to pay $750 more and like pellet probes slamming into your shoulder/neck at any given time.  I am dying at this point... Donny LDC with priest threading, New Athlon Talos scope, sling and mounts, JSB Kings... NO USE TO ME AT ALL TIL THE PRIEST GETS HERE.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: rkr on November 02, 2016, 02:07:19 AM
The answer is to prevent your moderator from being able to be put on a powder burner and that my friend is a federal offense. We at WAR do the same thing for just that reason

M14 thread is actually commonly used for powder burner LDCs here in Europe. Of course 1/2" UNF is also common for rimfires and .223s so in that sense it doesn't make a difference. Skorec, no need to be sorry but from manufacturer point of view it's just plain stupid to deviate from existing standards. It's like inventing 24mm wide picatinny style rail and insisting on using that. It will help you to sell mounts but it's not going to make your gun popular.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Job on November 02, 2016, 04:10:52 AM
Who do you think is the manufacturer of the regulator, are
perhaps Chinese, so have that thread?
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: scrane on November 02, 2016, 02:11:40 PM
28 is the standard thread size for firearm silencers. A spec many airgunners and airgun manufacturers should avoid.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Smaug2 on November 02, 2016, 02:42:02 PM
I'm with oldpro here. Looks like a shameless copy of the FX Impact.

The shipping delay probably has to do with being tied up in court.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on November 02, 2016, 07:26:43 PM
Do more research.  Rumor has it this was on the design table before the Impact.  I don't know its validity but the word's out there.  Concerning the delay, supposedly it's an air leak that's being corrected.  Supposedly.  No need to dash my dreams with rumor and conjecture.  (Hopefully this thing doesn't end up being a nightmare)
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: deucelee on November 02, 2016, 10:32:17 PM
I'm with oldpro here. Looks like a shameless copy of the FX Impact.

The shipping delay probably has to do with being tied up in court.

who cares if it's similar looking...maybe it's just me that don't care...as long as it performs, don't have issues, and shoots great, I'll take it for several, several hundred less than the Impact.  ;D
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on November 02, 2016, 10:54:37 PM
I'm with oldpro here. Looks like a shameless copy of the FX Impact.

The shipping delay probably has to do with being tied up in court.

who cares if it's similar looking...maybe it's just me that don't care...as long as it performs, don't have issues, and shoots great, I'll take it for several, several hundred less than the Impact.  ;D
People with moral fiber care who are tired of seeing great ideas stolen by those of no moral fiber to profit from others hard work.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: StevenG on November 02, 2016, 10:57:44 PM
To make such a claim you do have evidence, right?
Some proof, other than they look similar?

Without that evidence or a complete tear down of both guns showing the parts being copied, I would think those with moral fiber would reserve judgement.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Jman2311 on November 02, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
I'm with oldpro here. Looks like a shameless copy of the FX Impact.

The shipping delay probably has to do with being tied up in court.

Can someone please explain to me why this whole fx impact "copy" thing is everywhere???  I mean really guys,  this design  route is exactly what you would expect when the airgun industry is trying to maximize shot count, power, consistency, and accuracy in a bullpup. Does anyone have issues with the similarities between the daystate air wolf and the fx royal??  No.  So why does this perpetuate here? 

The word that I got was some faulty gas tubes that were not machined to proper specs. These tubes, as I understand from a chat with randy, were from the trigger area to the rear.  I was told there were 3 rifles that experienced failures, no way to know what or how serious those failures were, but that they decided to recheck and replace, if needed, every rifle's gas tubes before they released them to ensure no chance of future failures.  I assume leaks. Others have mentioned leaks but I don't actually know.  Still looking forward to getting my hands on this rifle. Hopefully sooner than later.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on November 02, 2016, 11:23:55 PM
To make such a claim you do have evidence, right?
Some proof, other than they look similar?

Without that evidence or a complete tear down of both guns showing the parts being copied, I would think those with moral fiber would reserve judgement.
What are you talking about? They have to be EXACTLY the same to be a copy!!! I'm not blind nor are you and if you can't see with your own eyes we have nothing more to talk about.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on November 02, 2016, 11:51:22 PM
One last thing and I'm done with this thread. I expressed my opinion on the ongoing safety problems with the Impact when it came out and everyone was quick to judge me and point fingers Where are those people now when many many owners have shown it's not ready yet.But FX is a big company with deep pockets and will sort threw the various impact problems and it will be a fantastic gun I've said this from day one. FX has been around a long time because they make great guns and when I see a blatant copy of a company's hard work at nearly half the price it makes me sick. I worked for Polaris and they spent untold amount of moneys protecting their product from counterfeiting and cloning this money could have been used to support families and provide more benefits for employees. Yet people will gladly pay half the price for inferior products with no thought as to how it affects the overall picture. There are so many designs and ideas that could be explored why bother copying anyone other than purely to profit from others hard work. Yes im and opinionated old dude and that won't change now and I hope I never compromise those ideals.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on November 02, 2016, 11:53:38 PM
This thread has gone full course unless the admins overruled it is locked and will be moved if deemed necessary
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on November 03, 2016, 11:48:59 AM
Thank you very much for reopening the thread, moderator.  This website and this thread in particular is the first place I heard of the Priest and this is the first place I go to DAILY for updates, both to read and to share what little knowledge I've gained.  Just because a few want to compare it to and deem it a "copy" doesn't mean it is and the heated debate will cause a lockdown WHICH IS NOT FAIR to those seeking information on the product.
 

The Priest is no more a copy than a Ford F-150 compared to a Chevy Silverado.  They both share similar traits because let's be honest, how many times can you re-invent the wheel?  They are both trucks.  You want to see a real copy?  Visit this http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=116835.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=116835.0) and then comment away, which I notice hardly anyone is doing...granted, though, this is blatant disregard for patents and what not, but please go enjoy throwing mud in that direction instead of here, please. 

I love this thread.  The Priest may end up being a POS but it could also travel in the other direction but let's not clip its wings before it has a chance to take flight.  Please.

ETA:  I was wrong, I see the same perpetrators ARE dogging the Priest over in the other thread.  Have at it and let that one get locked down, please don't lock this one here.  Thank you in advance.

ETA:  Wow, competition sure is an ugly beast.  Best to shut it down before it hits the market.  What not worthy is that RTI Arms isn't here to defend themselves so I guess potential customers have to.  Or hopefully this thread can just remain facts and information and not a debate.  Yo competition, please don't shut this down.  If this Priest not worthy I may have to go your direction so don't leave me with a sour taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: rkr on November 03, 2016, 12:39:31 PM
What not worthy is that RTI Arms isn't here to defend themselves so I guess potential customers have to.

There is airgun manufacturer participation in this thread, it's just not RTI.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on November 03, 2016, 12:50:28 PM
What not worthy is that RTI Arms isn't here to defend themselves so I guess potential customers have to.

There is airgun manufacturer participation in this thread, it's just not RTI.

Believe me, I see the play.  And in another thread I complimented the unnamed party for being trustworthy DUE to their presence in various forums.  That means the manufacturer cares to market their product which I commend.  But trashing an up-in-coming company with zero resistance is akin to bullying, imo.  It is a dog eat dog world, though and in the end I may have to swallow my pride and go with unnamed party's product, which from what I can tell IS a superb product but I just want to be a "first" with a new product, but the wait is killing me.

To keep things rolling along, I hate to say I have no updates to offer.  It does seem to me that RTI not marketing their product seems like a terrible strategy. 
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 03, 2016, 01:29:28 PM
Still think that Priest looks terrible, there's no flow to the gun looks like it's put together with spare parts, all skinny than with that awful looking oversized bottle, looks more like a supersoaker than a pellet gun.

I'm all about function, but boy I still like to see proportions in anything not just guns.


As for copy ? there's always been copying of concepts like Chevy copying the Ford Ranchero with the El camino, exactly the same ? .....no, but cheesy nontheless,......someone copyed someone else's concept of this gun, I don't know who was it, but one thing is for sure, FX is tastefully done the Priest is downright childish in execution.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on November 03, 2016, 01:36:21 PM
No arguing the FX Impact is a better looking gun.  No argument there at all.  I personally have shunned that product for the time being due to price and I PERSONALLY didn't like how they handled the pellet probe issue.  For now that's taken it off the plate.  Vulcan, Cricket, WarP, possibly Wilcat, soon to be released Mutant .25, Edgun, the list goes on.  All gorgeous.  All expensive.  If the Priest proves its worth then for the price it'll be a big winner, form be darned.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on November 03, 2016, 01:49:47 PM
 Im glad the thread is unlocked as well I believe we all have and opinion and they need to be shared even if I dont agree with others and others dont agree with me thats fine we all are just sharing our opinions and thats how it should be BRAVO GTA
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on November 03, 2016, 02:04:17 PM
I just felt a little cooling off time was needed . I will always intervene when I see things going south, but I hate being forced to call time-out. This time I felt that several members were getting a touch hot under the collar but there is too much good information coming out for this thread to stay locked. 
 
Yes the avatar is me at Devils Tower Wyoming for the Sturgis 2000 MC Rally  ;D ;D
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on November 03, 2016, 05:58:55 PM
 I agree it was getting a little heated you did the right thing.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: MJP on November 03, 2016, 06:23:52 PM
Is the valve fed via pipe from the trigger housing? Or was I thinking wrong looking at the pictures. Little slimmer tank and some more rounded corners to the stock and it would be ok ish ar clone ag.
Bet it handles nice and the balance is good.
Marko
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on November 03, 2016, 06:26:16 PM
The bottle feeds through the trigger frame and then through the pipe and goes to a reservoir housed in the buttstock area.  Even with the bottle removed you still have enough air left in the reservoir for a few shots of .22.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Motorhead on November 03, 2016, 09:13:23 PM
Lol .... All PISTOLS look like pistols ... RIFLES like rifles, CARBINES in the middle with BULLPUPS over on the left ... Lol

Within the spirit of this CLONE / COPY debate ... don't miss the post made above #105
WOW now there is what we're talking about .... lesser "A likeness" is pure semantics IMO.

See: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=116835.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=116835.0)
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: anti-squirrel on November 03, 2016, 10:41:18 PM
I agree it was getting a little heated you did the right thing.
I think if anything is evident, we all have views that are our own, they all matter, and all of us are airgunners.  IE: we're like a family.  Sometimes dysfunctional but together for a common good.

This is a great chance for everybody to learn, so it's all good.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on November 03, 2016, 11:59:49 PM
I agree it was getting a little heated you did the right thing.
I think if anything is evident, we all have views that are our own, they all matter, and all of us are airgunners.  IE: we're like a family.  Sometimes dysfunctional but together for a common good.

This is a great chance for everybody to learn, so it's all good.
well said
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: skorec on November 04, 2016, 02:56:46 AM
Sorry i have some problem to understand fully all yours discussions but I think that   technical design  is very different . 

The Priest is able to shoot also without any bottles but unfortunately the pressure is not stabilized and 4 shots should have very different  speed.  By the way one shoot is enough in some situations before connecting  bottle .  Also pressure regulating systems and  barrels are  totally different .

In my opinion the Priest is  momentary the best  on PCP market and after adding CZ barrel at caliber .133 and hammerless function like Huben K1 will be “more  best”.  And I think that name of company will not be RTI or FX.   
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 04, 2016, 07:30:04 AM
Sorry i have some problem to understand fully all yours discussions but I think that   technical design  is very different . 

The Priest is able to shoot also without any bottles but unfortunately the pressure is not stabilized and 4 shots should have very different  speed.  By the way one shoot is enough in some situations before connecting  bottle .  Also pressure regulating systems and  barrels are  totally different .

In my opinion the Priest is  momentary the best  on PCP market and after adding CZ barrel at caliber .133 and hammerless function like Huben K1 will be “more  best”.  And I think that name of company will not be RTI or FX.   



Huuhhh ?
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: anti-squirrel on November 04, 2016, 11:41:12 AM
I believe skorec is saying:

"... the technical design of the Priest differs notably from the FX -internally as well as some visual differences.  The form is similar.

The Priest can shoot sans bottle but isn't stabilized (regulated?) if shooting that way.  The regulator system and bottle are notably different from the RTI gun to the FX, and the Priest currently offers some of the best features on the market, but once a PCP is offered in a larger caliber with a hammerless firing mechanism (such as the Huben K-1) and CZ barrel it will undoubtedly be the best."

CZ makes some great barrels, and a hammerless firing system would be nice, especially in a larger bore for those wanting that type of gun.  But the best?  I dunno... wouldn't be that useful for people wanting a lightweight low-power paper-cutter and ratting tool.

Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on November 04, 2016, 11:58:51 AM
If shooting the Priest with the bottle in a remote location such as a backpack, the bottle itself is regulated so wouldn't the Priest still be fed regulated shots?  Am I missing something?
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Jman2311 on November 04, 2016, 01:01:31 PM
Pretty sure they are refering to no bottle attached at all...
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: skorec on November 04, 2016, 01:16:34 PM
Peter, veeeeery thanks for explaining.

Bizzil, just first shoot after disconnect bottles  is with the right/regulated pressure. Via very small internal reservoir capacity  next 3 time  shoots should be much slower.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on November 04, 2016, 02:50:58 PM
Agreed, but the feature exists, which is something different brought to the plate.  It's not so much a feature actually, but worth noting.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: skorec on November 05, 2016, 03:00:47 AM
By look video I become aware that release valve is missing on remote bottle high pressure line. Therefore you have to empty out  the high pressure line via refill the  gun by dummy shooting before disconnect paintball bottle set. :(

 
I believe that it is able easy to repaire  however I am not able to find out some "small empty out or de-gass  valve fitting" at alieexpress.   



   
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: skorec on November 05, 2016, 07:06:32 AM
Air Venturi DEGASSING SCREW is US Patent at 100USD with dellivery :(

Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: skorec on November 25, 2016, 12:49:17 AM

  I dunno... wouldn't be that useful for people wanting a lightweight low-power paper-cutter and ratting tool.

.133 will be ideal for starling-scare up to 100 yard
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: BigTinBoat on December 01, 2016, 06:30:07 PM
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Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: deucelee on December 01, 2016, 09:34:54 PM
i'll have to give them a call tomorrow...when I placed my down payment, I was told they would have some kind of moderator available so I would want to order that along with a extra magazine.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Jman2311 on December 02, 2016, 12:42:05 PM
So what's the word? Anybody have one of these in the US yet? I saw R&L had an expected delivery of December 1st.

The word I got yesterday is that RL should get them on or before Dec 12 so with luck those of us who preordered should hope to have them as soon as Dec 16.  I understood that they are currently in transit.  I will be doing some testing on mine and starting a new thread about its performance out of the box.  CAN NOT WAIT!!!
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on December 20, 2016, 04:00:34 PM
Got Customs clearance in Chicago.  Should be on a plane to Denver, then trucked to Pueblo.  Getting closer...
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: leadbetter on December 20, 2016, 05:18:40 PM
This is all hearsay, but the story I've heard is that RTI thought up the priest idea some years ago. Around 2014-2015 in an attempt to secure a line of credit to produce the priest RTI posted photos of the prototype on a European forum placing the idea in public domain. Fx took the idea and put it to market before RTI could get started up. This practice is 100% legal even though I consider it pretty pathetic.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on December 20, 2016, 06:21:12 PM
This is all hearsay, but the story I've heard is that RTI thought up the priest idea some years ago. Around 2014-2015 in an attempt to secure a line of credit to produce the priest RTI posted photos of the prototype on a European forum placing the idea in public domain. Fx took the idea and put it to market before RTI could get started up. This practice is 100% legal even though I consider it pretty pathetic.

Just for sh&%# 'n grinz, I dare you to post that over at AGN.  They'll probably ban ya per their typical M.O.

I agree with you, but agree to the hearsay.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on December 20, 2016, 06:24:23 PM
 I double Dare LOL :P
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: leadbetter on December 20, 2016, 06:44:11 PM
They already banned me over at AGN  ;)

Edit: feel free to copypasta
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on December 21, 2016, 12:55:09 AM
They already banned me over at AGN  ;)

Edit: feel free to copypasta
LOL ;D ;D ;D Why am I not surprised!
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Bizill on December 22, 2016, 02:39:30 PM
Called in today for an update and was told Colorado is being hit with a major snowstorm so delivery will be delayed.  So they don’t expect to get them by this week.

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/bizill75/1cd55c8e-caf6-4c66-9191-6c5efb9206e5_zps5uw2hne7.jpg)
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: deucelee on December 24, 2016, 07:36:47 AM
Hopefully this doesn't become a continual "next week, next week for sure", "there was a small hiccup but this time it'll definitely be next week", repeat.   Proper consumer expectations management is key for good business practice.  Crossing my fingers.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: Job on December 26, 2016, 05:31:51 AM
Avalable from "CITY AIR WEAPONS AND FIREARMS" United Kingdom
http://www.cityairweapons.com/air-guns-priest-priest-22-22-air-rifles-0 (http://www.cityairweapons.com/air-guns-priest-priest-22-22-air-rifles-0)
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: kriss on December 29, 2016, 12:16:19 AM
Avalable from "CITY AIR WEAPONS AND FIREARMS" United Kingdom
http://www.cityairweapons.com/air-guns-priest-priest-22-22-air-rifles-0 (http://www.cityairweapons.com/air-guns-priest-priest-22-22-air-rifles-0)
I bought 2 of these guns on Tuesday of this wk from city air weapons both 25 cal for myself and my nephew so now have to wait on delivery. on checking out the gun they seem to be very sturdy so now wait and see how long they take to arrive.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on December 29, 2016, 12:28:31 AM
This is all hearsay, but the story I've heard is that RTI thought up the priest idea some years ago. Around 2014-2015 in an attempt to secure a line of credit to produce the priest RTI posted photos of the prototype on a European forum placing the idea in public domain. Fx took the idea and put it to market before RTI could get started up. This practice is 100% legal even though I consider it pretty pathetic.
I certainly hope this isnt true and hope if someone has a link to that forum they share it. Credit where credit is due always.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: rkr on December 29, 2016, 02:45:28 AM
This is all hearsay, but the story I've heard is that RTI thought up the priest idea some years ago. Around 2014-2015 in an attempt to secure a line of credit to produce the priest RTI posted photos of the prototype on a European forum placing the idea in public domain. Fx took the idea and put it to market before RTI could get started up. This practice is 100% legal even though I consider it pretty pathetic.
I certainly hope this isnt true and hope if someone has a link to that forum they share it. Credit where credit is due always.

The credit should go to Calibrgun Colibri then as both of these designs copy the same basic idea. The only difference as such is the bottle versus big tube and I recall even myself thinking why didn't calibrgun just stick a 22ci PB bottle in there.
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: oldpro on December 29, 2016, 03:07:14 AM
 I guess it boils down to theres only so many ways to do it, I just spoke with RTI and they never released any info to there knowledge to the public in the past only emails to a few friends. I advised them to join the GTA as im sure many questions will arise when the guns hit the shelves and nothings better than hearing from the makers. Plus im sure it would help sales here in the USA. JMHO
Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: BigTinBoat on December 29, 2016, 03:13:23 AM
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Title: Re: RTI Arms
Post by: deucelee on January 11, 2017, 12:04:01 AM
Got my gun last week.  Haven't had time to really play with it but I'll make a couple rough drafts notes for you guys.  I've taken 50 shots or so, so far.  Will get some pics for you'all by this weekend.

A couple of negatives - (1) she's not neighbor friendly as she is.  I'm waiting for the muffler to see what that'll do.  It's not THAT loud but it starts to get a tad annoying if you're used to quieter guns like the MRod 22.  Not loud to the point where it hurts your ears as your head is right next to the magazine but again, kind of annoyingly loud.

(2) The cycling of the magazine by pulling back on the bolt is NOWHERE near as smooth as the "KalibrGun Colibri Hummingbird Intro" video on youtube.  You have to almost take the gun down from your position and pull it back and forward again. 

The positives is she seems to shoot pretty straight out of the box.  After I got the scope on and sighted ofcourse.  I'll have to get more rounds out of her and do more testing but that's my initial seeings.