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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: MattMac91 on August 07, 2016, 07:27:43 PM
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Im returning a Hatsan gladius because it doesn't cycle magazines and I'm having reservations for a British spotter with a nice stock. Which one and why
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Go through the specs carefully. I believe the BSA includes a regulator where the AA does not.
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The BSA is regulated. I took my BSA R-10 mk2 out and shot it a bit today. I'm amazed at how gorgeous it is every time I take it out of the case. After shooting my LGU and HW97k, my scoped R-10 feels light as a feather and very well balanced. It's also quieter than the LGU or 97K. If you can't shoot through the same hole every time at 20 yards it's not the guns fault. I get it out just to see how my trigger pull is sometimes when shooting my springers. I've shot it out to 50 yards a few times.... ah heck, let me just give you a link to my review. :D
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=107529.20 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=107529.20)
I wouldn't trade it for an Air Arms S510 XTRA Ultimate Sporter which costs 400-500 dollars more. If I did go Air Arms I would look into installing a regulator, which involves drilling a small hole in the air tube.
This guys has a lot of info on the S510 in his older videos. the S510 was the only PCP he used at the start.
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For me it would be the BSA hands down,
repeater, regulated, hammer forged barrel, sweet stock
and most seem to have pretty nice wood on them to,
and the accuracy definitely seems to be there.
the R10 is definitely on my wish list and gets rave reviews.
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Thanks for all the feedback! The BSA clearly has a little more going for it while I'm sure the AA is one *(&^ of a rifle... I don't think I can pass up a regulated accurate rifle with a Minnelli walnut stock.. Seems too good to be true. But I've seen so many people say they're great so I will get a BSA! Il post pictures when I receive it and let you all know what I think
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One last thing for those who know! Is the BSA quiet? The Brits say theirs aren't quiet while most of the Americans say theirs are quiet.
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And how many shots in .22
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I think the brits get a bull barrel version while here in the states we
get a shrouded but I'm not sure on that, here's a vid that should answer your questions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L-FQ4QZkbs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L-FQ4QZkbs)
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Mine is quieter than my spring guns. Seems like I get around 40 shots before going off the regulator. Been a while since I checked it.
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Mine is quieter than my spring guns. Seems like I get around 40 shots before going off the regulator. Been a while since I checked it.
what pellets do you shoot in yours?
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JSB exact 15.89's and CPHP 14.3's both do very well. It not too fussy about pellets. You can see the 50 yard groups in my review for these 2 on a windy day. Was trying to shoot when the wind wasn't blowing as much. I like JSB's cause most of my guns do best with them. CPHP's is a bonus cause the cheap and easy to get.
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One last thing for those who know! Is the BSA quiet? The Brits say theirs aren't quiet while most of the Americans say theirs are quiet.
Brits are used to 12 fpe airguns with efficient LDCs that can be bought from every gun shop while Americans are used to the big bang of firearms. The shroud in R10 takes some of the bang away but it is not quiet as such. If you don't like the noise level you can buy improved internals for the shroud, get a Huub shroud or ditch the factory shroud and screw on a proper LDC. Of course DIY internals or DIY bigger shroud are also options.
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One last thing for those who know! Is the BSA quiet? The Brits say theirs aren't quiet while most of the Americans say theirs are quiet.
Brits are used to 12 fpe airguns with efficient LDCs that can be bought from every gun shop while Americans are used to the big bang of firearms. The shroud in R10 takes some of the bang away but it is not quiet as such. If you don't like the noise level you can buy improved internals for the shroud, get a Huub shroud or ditch the factory shroud and screw on a proper LDC. Of course DIY internals or DIY bigger shroud are also options.
I don't know which BSA 5-10 you have been shooting but I shoot mine in town. It makes less noise than my spring guns. I think you have a different idea of quiet. There is no bark. My pumpers and Discovery are way to loud to shoot in town. That's a bark now. Your description makes it sounds as the shroud is not really doing anything. When it makes the gun as backyard friendly as a springer, I say it's working well. Yeah, you can make it were you hear nothing but the hammer, but most don't expect or need that. Just backyard friendly. Now if your totally trying to hide your shooting from the neighbors, the barrel is threaded if you need to go there.
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I would love to see Air Arms bring a small bottle designed regulated rifle to the market. Their S5XX rifle with a R10 front end!!
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You can expect 35 - 40 shots around 28 - 30 fpe. As rkr said they are not super quiet. The shroud takes the bang and pop out of it. So it depends on how quiet you need. I ditched the shroud on mine and built an ldc to screw on the barrel. Its now very quiet and shorter than it was with the shroud.
Both rifles are solid performers and you would be happy with both. The R10 in my opinion offers more for the money.
Here's a vid I did between the S510 and R10 Mk2.
Sry had to remove videos due to youtube attacking airgun related videos.
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JSB exact 15.89's and CPHP 14.3's both do very well. It not too fussy about pellets. You can see the 50 yard groups in my review for these 2 on a windy day. Was trying to shoot when the wind wasn't blowing as much. I like JSB's cause most of my guns do best with them. CPHP's is a bonus cause the cheap and easy to get.
does she like the jsbs 18.13 grain? I have a few tins of those laying around
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One last thing for those who know! Is the BSA quiet? The Brits say theirs aren't quiet while most of the Americans say theirs are quiet.
Brits are used to 12 fpe airguns with efficient LDCs that can be bought from every gun shop while Americans are used to the big bang of firearms. The shroud in R10 takes some of the bang away but it is not quiet as such. If you don't like the noise level you can buy improved internals for the shroud, get a Huub shroud or ditch the factory shroud and screw on a proper LDC. Of course DIY internals or DIY bigger shroud are also options.
I don't know which BSA 5-10 you have been shooting but I shoot mine in town. It makes less noise than my spring guns. I think you have a different idea of quiet. There is no bark. My pumpers and Discovery are way to loud to shoot in town. That's a bark now. Your description makes it sounds as the shroud is not really doing anything. When it makes the gun as backyard friendly as a springer, I say it's working well. Yeah, you can make it were you hear nothing but the hammer, but most don't expect or need that. Just backyard friendly. Now if your totally trying to hide your shooting from the neighbors, the barrel is threaded if you need to go there.
Well, my idea of quiet is that the loudest noise you hear is the pellet ripping through the cardboard of a silent pellet trap. Then there's the muzzle report and hammer slap both being about equal and overshadowed by that noise from the target. Then there's backyard friendly category which of course depends on the backyard :) I'm not saying that shroud doesn't do anything, it's just very poorly executed (due to design changes to cut down production costs) and could be much more quiet.
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Backyard friendly is a marauder , disco with tko, Hatsan qe series. For anyone who knows is it hopefully within that realm of quiet?
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Backyard friendly is a marauder , disco with tko, Hatsan qe series. For anyone who knows is it hopefully within that realm of quiet?
Depends on the marauder. .22 Mrod? Nope .25 Mrod? Yes. It lands somewhere between the two.
If the R10 isnt quiet enough for you with the factory shroud just get someone to make you a screw on ldc. Then it will be shorter and quiter ;)
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aa sXXX guns are better built and finished better, the bsa has more features for you money spent. Either gun functioning properly has the capability to shoot dimes at 50yds but, If you take our opinions you won't have what you really want... Ask me how I know, I've been through piles of airguns, don't get me wrong I loved many of them. There was always something missing. Always had to tinker/change something be it as a reg, better barrel, power level change etc. So either build what you truly desire or find something as close as you can. The two guns you have listed aren't really apples to apples only you can decide what ya want.
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I was attracted the stock of the BSA... And then after looking into it found out how accurate they are... And then I found out the thing is regulated? I'm going BSA as my first step into a little night higher class of Airguns. But of course I see myself owning several .... Anything better than the hatsans I had I will be a happy fella
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I was attracted the stock of the BSA... And then after looking into it found out how accurate they are... And then I found out the thing is regulated? I'm going BSA as my first step into a little night higher class of Airguns. But of course I see myself owning several .... Anything better than the hatsans I had I will be a happy fella
Matt like I said before you wont regret either. The R10 MK2 is a very good pick and will do what you need/want.
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Does anyone know if the gauge on the BSA shows the pressure of the bottle or the pressure of the regulator
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It shows the pressure of the bottle.
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That's pretty cool. I believe it will be a good gun for me. Thanks for the help!
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That's pretty cool. I believe it will be a good gun for me. Thanks for the help!
Welcome! It will be a great rifle for you ;)
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I've had both, 2 AA S-510's and one R-10. I still have the R-10 and don't miss the S-510 even a little bit. More for the money with the R-10 and it is more accurate than both S-510's I had. Also the regulator makes a world of difference, especially shooting at distances past 50 yards.
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I just realized you were looking at the S500 instead of the S510. the AA S500 is a single shot bolt action where the R-10 is a bolt action repeater with a 10 round magazine.
I had an Air Arms Prosport with a walnut stock on back-order and didn't have the patience to wait it out. I wanted a .22 cal PCP repeater that would that would get me at least 40 shots and accuracy was a must. I was going to get an Air Arms S510 at first, I wanted a 10 shot mag. The first issue I had with the Air Arms was not being regulated, so I looked into installing one. To me it wasn't worth the cost at that point. I came across the BSA R10 because it was made in England, Had a Walnut Minelli stock and regulated. After extensive research I went with the R-10 also. You'll fall in love with it the moment you pick it up, at least I did. I was expecting it to feel heavy from the specs, but instead it feels nice and easy to handle.
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I forgot to mention. The discount codes work for BSA Airguns VS a no-go for Air Arms at places like PA and AGD.
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Yeah I originally bought a bullboss... Had a bent cylinder... Then swapped for gladius...won't cycle magazine... And so AGD is still applying my coupon codes to the purchase of the BSA which makes it the same price as the AAs500. I've already fell in love with the stock from the pictures lol... Can't wait to wield it. AGD has been really fast with my returns but I have bothered the living &^^& out of them. They will get the gladius back today and hopefully have the BSA out by tomorrow or Friday. The only thing I was worried about was the issues with the regulator but like I have been told those are the older models from 2012 and back. The main place I go is almost 300 acres of private property and the squirrels have been breeding there for probably a century and so being able to have many consistent shots is exactly what I need and for the same price as the air arms S 500 I just can't pass this up.i'll post some pics as soon as I get it in my hands. I can't wait.thanks to me getting bad hatsans it's allowed me to add a little money each time and hopefully end up with a really good Airgun!
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Hey anyone who knows or has a BSA r10.... If I wanted to... Where could one get an LDC like a hugget or does tko make one?!how can I get one for mine!?? Help!!
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PM sent.
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My next rifle will be an R10. Especially after discovering how accurate my scorpion is. I'm sure you will love it.
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My next rifle will be an R10. Especially after discovering how accurate my scorpion is. I'm sure you will love it.
I highly considered the scorpion a couple guns ago. I was seriously a couple clicks away had it in the cart and everything. I'm glad I waited though because I have ended up with an r10! Il let you know how much @@@ it kicks tomorrow evening
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I've had both and sold both. I still kick myself for selling the R10 MKII.
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I should have bought one of the black R10's when they were on amazon for like $675 shipped. Oh the regrets...
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I should have bought one of the black R10's when they were on amazon for like $675 shipped. Oh the regrets...
yeah same here... :-\ that was a killer deal.
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Guys, just keep your fingers crossed as it's at $818 and coming down.
Taso
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Oh no dont tell me that... :o
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Wish I could be there when you open it. You gotta be stoked about now. BSA R-10 coming for the weekend. I hope that front or whatever I keep hearing about that's bringing us a wet weekend just gives you some nice weather. I wouldn't get sweat or rain drops on the stock until you out something on it, even if it's furniture polish. I got a few rain drops on my when I got it and it left white spots I had to buff out even though I wiped it down shortly afterwards.
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Yeah so what would be a good thing to coat the wood with? Or protect it?
And AGD told me a lie and said it would ship today and be here tomorrow but this adternoon they called and said it would ship tomorrow and I get it Monday...... Well I wasn't happy... So they called back and said they can have it delivered on Saturday... Now that's more like AGD but still... Why did you get my hopes up!!! That's the worst! Anyway yeah I should have it Saturday by noon... As long as these guys can get it out tomorrow.. It's kind of like Christmas as a kid
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I also didn't know where I read AGD and pa were the same company but I did find that out.. Both of my returns went to Solon Ohio - PA... And my r10 is also coming from Ohio- but the gun is 50$ more from PA... But I ordered it from AGD for 989... I was pretty confused until I talked to them and said they were "sister company's"
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Also... I see in some older videos some of the r10s have a really dark walnut- have they been stained? Or is that what they call black walnut? I love the regular light brown stock too but that dark stock is quite sexy
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I'm thinking maybe tung oil. But I am not a wood finishing expert as I've only finished one stock. I hope others will chime in.
Taso
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I haven't put anything on my stock yet since I have not decided how I want to finish it out. My thought are buffing it out to a shine with the 0000 pads and using the air rifle headquarters Mud that fills pores and the RLO finish. The are so many different ways yo do it I decided to wait and research it out more. Been like 5 years since I did any woodworking and finishing and need a refresher course, lol.
NitroCrusher has done some nice stocks on the Pro-Sport walnut stocks with are very similar. He has also darkened at least one.
I'm glad to hear Airgun Depot still has great customer service. I was well taken care of years ago when I had a problem with my first Hatsan 125. PA may be a sister company, but I think you get a more personal experience from Airgun Depot most of the time.
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I use boiled linseed oil on my walnut stocks. Its cheap and easy to use. It seems everyone has their own way of doing things so you kinda have to go with what you think will work best for you.
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(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l355/Mmcwilliamz12/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsvvtdkedo.jpeg) (http://s328.photobucket.com/user/Mmcwilliamz12/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsvvtdkedo.jpeg.html)Here are a couple of the first shot groups at about 43 yards sitting on a Barbie suitcase testing out the window seal, jittering from cups of coffee and excitement. (http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l355/Mmcwilliamz12/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsjrxdkmks.jpeg) (http://s328.photobucket.com/user/Mmcwilliamz12/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsjrxdkmks.jpeg.html)
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Those are the three inch shoot n see targets...im not worried about measuring because they're not serious just had to rip it out of the box and shoot. But just seeing that, I'm extremely satisfied and couldn't be more happy with my decision. It's far better than anything I ever shot so far
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Matt,
Looks great! Hopefully I will get one soon too. ;D
Taso
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If you've been considering this gun just get it! Don't consider anything else lol!! No but for what I paid I don't think I could have done better.. I could've had an s500 but only would've been single shot and not regulated. This gun is gorgeous let me get a few pics up
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Others can downplay hammer forged barrels, but they made me a believer. How do you like the balance of it?
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Yeah, I believe! Oh man I love it. Il be able to tell when I handle it more but it's light! Lighter and I thought it would be.. I'd compare it to be just about as light as my disco. At least that's how it feels.. The last gun I had was a gladius at over ten pounds and while that gun actually felt good to shoulder it was still 10+ lbs! Anything lighter to me is better lol. I'm in love with everything about it though. I used my gut feeling for once and it turned out to be good! I can't wait to get her out and get some hunting done
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Yeah, I expected a heavy feeling gun cause it should be 8-9 pounds with a scope, but it feels more like 6-7 pounds.
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Yeah it's a beautiful thing for sure. Now I just gotta figure out how to keep this walnut looking spectacular
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Now I just need a Hawke sidewinder 😝
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Yeah it's a beautiful thing for sure. Now I just gotta figure out how to keep this walnut looking spectacular
for just a first defense I wold recommend waxing it,
that should help protect the wood from any moisture stains etc.
I haven't used it before but I've heard of Renaissance Wax.
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Freaking gorgeous
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Sweet 8) 8)
One of these days...
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Very nice rifle! I actually prefer the feel of my scorpions bolt action to the Air arms sidelevers (I had one but sold it).
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Matt I dont want to say we told you so but hey we did say you would be very happy with it ;D Looks like its going to be another awesome shooting BSA especially when its got a few hundred + pellets thru it and you get comfortable with it. The stock looks good and I can see some dark grain in there. One of the easiest ways to protect that stock is to apply boiled linseed oil. Its very easy to apply and it adds depth to the grain. you can pick it up at ace hardware or probably any hardware store you have around you. Just make sure its boiled linseed.
What do you think of the noise level?
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Okay il get some boiled linseed at ace across the street.... And guys I would say this in .22 is quieter than my old mrod .22, or at least close to the same but a different kind of sound. It's great just great
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This is my first " higher end" air rifle and lol never look back again.. This is on a whole new level than anything I've ever had.
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Now I just need a Hawke sidewinder 😝
There was a Sidewinder listed in the members classifieds today.
Taso
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Okay il get some boiled linseed at ace across the street.... And guys I would say this in .22 is quieter than my old mrod .22, or at least close to the same but a different kind of sound. It's great just great
Noise level is such a hard thing to try and describe or put into words. So when people ask which pcp is the quietest or which are back yard friendly its never easy to answer. You have to shoot it in the environment you plan on using to see how the noise is. Glad the noise level is where it needs to be for you. If you ever want to make it shorter and quieter you know where to go ;)
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Awesome looking stock!
I've seen a relatively cheap kit that goes in the factory shroud that is suppose to make it even quieter, but I have not felt a need for it. Maybe after I get some solid baseline accuracy testing done. Don't want to add anything that will affect accuracy. Plus I at least like to hear a little something to know my gun is shooting right, lol.
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Awesome looking stock!
I've seen a relatively cheap kit that goes in the factory shroud that is suppose to make it even quieter, but I have no felt a need for it. Maybe after I get some solid baseline accuracy testing done. Don't want to add anything that will affect accuracy. Plus I at least like to hear a little something to know my gun is shoot right, lol.
That's Pinkney engineering kit, around 20 £. It makes the shroud backvented and adds Weirauch style internals.