Vote for your Favorite sub $100 springer scope!

[mista meener]

what I have seen from shooting a lot of springers is POI changes with the hold and even slight changes in the hold. I would never hunt with a springer because of that. when zeroing your gun try different hold. try tight loose hold  cheek on off the stock etc. see if it changes POI

Well, I was hoping that by posting those target pictures, we could save this thread from the typical, "Let's all jump of the "Blame the shooter" band wagon", but I guess not.  While that may be warranted in some cases, those targets should be enough to convince anyone that I know how to hold and shoot my gun to get a consistent pattern.  I have been shooting springers almost "Exclusively" for 26 years.  I know about hold sensitivity.  Otherwise, I could not put 10 pellets through a dime size hole at 30 yards with a 13 mph crosswind.  Hopefully this will resolve the question of shooter error and we can move past this.

I don't care if you shooting springers for 200 years. POI changes with the hold and your pics of groups at 30 yds in the wind with tiny groups is your version. no one else would  know if it was at ten yds with no wind. when guys get nasty and are braggers I tend not to believe what they say unless I witness it

[soupyyy]

Let's give Victor some benefit of the doubt and give him some support here.  I think he knows what he is doing and he is just asking for a recommendation to a good sub $100 scope.  Hey Victor did you check your rifle crown...

[jungleexplorer]

what I have seen from shooting a lot of springers is POI changes with the hold and even slight changes in the hold. I would never hunt with a springer because of that. when zeroing your gun try different hold. try tight loose hold  cheek on off the stock etc. see if it changes POI

Well, I was hoping that by posting those target pictures, we could save this thread from the typical, "Let's all jump of the "Blame the shooter" band wagon", but I guess not.  While that may be warranted in some cases, those targets should be enough to convince anyone that I know how to hold and shoot my gun to get a consistent pattern.  I have been shooting springers almost "Exclusively" for 26 years.  I know about hold sensitivity.  Otherwise, I could not put 10 pellets through a dime size hole at 30 yards with a 13 mph crosswind.  Hopefully this will resolve the question of shooter error and we can move past this.

I don't care if you shooting springers for 200 years. POI changes with the hold and your pics of groups at 30 yds in the wind with tiny groups is your version. no one else would  know if it was at ten yds with no wind. when guys get nasty and are braggers I tend not to believe what they say unless I witness it

Oh okay.  I see now.  You are one of those modern thinkers that believes everyone is a liar unless they prove to you they are not.  Thanks for the warning.  I am of the old school that believes that we should give everyone respect until the prove themselves unworthy of it; which is obviously the opposite of what you believe.  If you are going to call me a liar, please feel free not to respond to any my threads ever again.  Thank you.

[jungleexplorer]

Let's give Victor some benefit of the doubt and give him some support here.  I think he knows what he is doing and he is just asking for a recommendation to a good sub $100 scope.  Hey Victor did you check your rifle crown...

Thank you.  It is reassuring to see that there are still some Americans with a good level of reading comprehension left. 

[mista meener]

what I have seen from shooting a lot of springers is POI changes with the hold and even slight changes in the hold. I would never hunt with a springer because of that. when zeroing your gun try different hold. try tight loose hold  cheek on off the stock etc. see if it changes POI

Well, I was hoping that by posting those target pictures, we could save this thread from the typical, "Let's all jump of the "Blame the shooter" band wagon", but I guess not.  While that may be warranted in some cases, those targets should be enough to convince anyone that I know how to hold and shoot my gun to get a consistent pattern.  I have been shooting springers almost "Exclusively" for 26 years.  I know about hold sensitivity.  Otherwise, I could not put 10 pellets through a dime size hole at 30 yards with a 13 mph crosswind.  Hopefully this will resolve the question of shooter error and we can move past this.

I don't care if you shooting springers for 200 years. POI changes with the hold and your pics of groups at 30 yds in the wind with tiny groups is your version. no one else would  know if it was at ten yds with no wind. when guys get nasty and are braggers I tend not to believe what they say unless I witness it

Oh okay.  I see now.  You are one of those modern thinkers that believes everyone is a liar unless they prove to you they are not.  Thanks for the warning.  I am of the old school that believes that we should give everyone respect until the prove themselves unworthy of it; which is obviously the opposite of what you believe.  If you are going to call me a liar, please feel free not to respond to any my threads ever again.  Thank you.

Yeah I say I don't believe you shot at 30 yds in the wind like that and after nicely giving you a way to possibly find a cure you attacked me for not realizing I was in the presence of a superior being. why would you ask mere mortals to solve a problem for you?

[mobilehomer]

Just because you can't do it, don't think others can't. I just shot a group like this at 40 yards, slight breeze. Bwalton regularly shoots better 100 yard groups in a strong wind. If you have nothing constructive to add, just keep on going, don't stop!

[jungleexplorer]

Yeah I say I don't believe you shot at 30 yds in the wind like that and after nicely giving you a way to possibly find a cure you attacked me for not realizing I was in the presence of a superior being. why would you ask mere mortals to solve a problem for you?
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Okay dude. I don't know what your problem is, but you need to stop calling me a liar right now.  I never said your comment was unuseful, it was just out of place on this thread.  I did not ask for your advice on how to hold a springer.  I asked for your vote for your favorite springer scope under $100.  You seem to be stuck on the idea that your "How you hold it matters" is some new information that only you know and you have a divine commandment from god to let everyone else know this "OH so Wonderful, revelation you have.  FYI! We all know that springers are hold sensitive dude.  You are RIGHT!  How you hold your springer affects the POI! You are da man! High 5!  Fist Bump!  Woohoo!

Feel better now?

Friend, you are not my enemy, but you crossed a line when you called me a liar.  That was uncalled for.  I apologize if I offend you by these latest antics, but you deserve it.  I told you that I am old school.  In my world, you don't go around calling people lairs, especially for no reason (like you did).  I know that the world I live in thinks nothing of this, but I choose not to abide the ideologies of this modern demoralized, perverse, degenerate world.

I will forgive you this one time because you don't know me, but the next time......  Well, there better not be a next time.  Okay?  Let's make a deal.  I'll take you at your word and not call you a liar and you treat me with the same respect.  Deal?

[BenjiHunter]

Be nice people!

Something seems strange.
How can the scope it self be faulty when you can shoot groups like that?
Shouldn't the groups be more erratic?

[Skinard88]

Hey Vector, I see your in Texas, I grew up in Tx. and miss it very much. I just came in from the wind 25-45mph winds today, just shot some nice 1' groups with my D34. I enjoy shooting in the wind, lots of fun. I hope you find a good sub $100 scope. when you do be sure to let us know. I know I would like a scope in that size and price for my HW30. good luck and happy shooting.

[mista meener]

Be nice people!

Something seems strange.
How can the scope it self be faulty when you can shoot groups like that?
Shouldn't the groups be more erratic?

THANK YOU!!!!

[mista meener]

Yeah I say I don't believe you shot at 30 yds in the wind like that and after nicely giving you a way to possibly find a cure you attacked me for not realizing I was in the presence of a superior being. why would you ask mere mortals to solve a problem for you?

Okay dude. I don't know what your problem is, but you need to stop calling me a liar right now.  I never said your comment was unuseful, it was just out of place on this thread.  I did not ask for your advice on how to hold a springer.  I asked for your vote for your favorite springer scope under $100.  You seem to be stuck on the idea that your "How you hold it matters" is some new information that only you know and you have a divine commandment from god to let everyone else know this "OH so Wonderful, revelation you have.  FYI! We all know that springers are hold sensitive dude.  You are RIGHT!  How you hold your springer affects the POI! You are da man! High 5!  Fist Bump!  Woohoo!

Feel better now?

Friend, you are not my enemy, but you crossed a line when you called me a liar.  That was uncalled for.  I apologize if I offend you by these latest antics, but you deserve it.  I told you that I am old school.  In my world, you don't go around calling people lairs, especially for no reason (like you did).  I know that the world I live in thinks nothing of this, but I choose not to abide the ideologies of this modern demoralized, perverse, degenerate world.

I will forgive you this one time because you don't know me, but the next time......  Well, there better not be a next time.  Okay?  Let's make a deal.  I'll take you at your word and not call you a liar and you treat me with the same respect.  Deal?
[/quote] Obvious you are a big mouth braggart. I am really scared now. I aint your friend.  I tried to provide a solution nicely and you attacked me that is what happened. so now I will wait for high winds so I can shoot tiny groups with tiny pellets with the BC of a rock. thanks for the info

[LAalex]

     Stefan makes a good point here.  I have had scopes slide in the rings--either forward/backward or CW/CCW.  Forward or backward usually gives elevation errors.  Canting usually elevation and windage errors.  I made pencil marks in front and behind each ring (just trace along the edge of the ring all the way around the tube), and then small marks perpendicular to those to check for canting(these need to be marked on the tube and ring).  Not sure if this is your issue, but it stands to reason since you are shooting good groups but the groups are moving around.  Might be worth a shot.

Scotty

[jungleexplorer]

Obvious you are a big mouth braggart. I am really scared now. I aint your friend.  I tried to provide a solution nicely and you attacked me that is what happened. so now I will wait for high winds so I can shoot tiny groups with tiny pellets with the BC of a rock. thanks for the info

I tried to extend the flag of truce, but you won't have it.  Okay friend, it is obvious from this last statement that you feel I viciously attacked you some how and this hurt your feelings and you retaliated by calling me a liar. Please elaborate on this vicious attack I launched on you that you fill gave you justifiable cause to call me a liar?  This is what you claim happened, not me.  I am sorry I hurt your feelings.

[jungleexplorer]

     Stefan makes a good point here.  I have had scopes slide in the rings--either forward/backward or CW/CCW.  Forward or backward usually gives elevation errors.  Canting usually elevation and windage errors.  I made pencil marks in front and behind each ring (just trace along the edge of the ring all the way around the tube), and then small marks perpendicular to those to check for canting(these need to be marked on the tube and ring).  Not sure if this is your issue, but it stands to reason since you are shooting good groups but the groups are moving around.  Might be worth a shot.

Scotty

I have not noticed any movement, but I will try some of the things you mentioned.

[jungleexplorer]

Be nice people!

Something seems strange.
How can the scope it self be faulty when you can shoot groups like that?
Shouldn't the groups be more erratic?

Any scope can get knocked out of sight and then hold that new position to produce tight groups.  I have had many scopes do this over the last 40 years.  In most cases, it does not mean the scope is faulty, only that it sustained a sharp blow that knocked it off.  This is not a problem with a PCP or powder burner, but if the blow, that caused the movement, is caused by a springer, then the scope cannot be trusted after that because you never know when a shot will knock it off.  I felt this was pretty common knowledge around here, so I did not feel the need to elaborate on this issue, but thank you for providing me the opportunity to clear this question up.

[BenjiHunter]

What kind of rifle are you using?

[jungleexplorer]

Hey Vector, I see your in Texas, I grew up in Tx. and miss it very much. I just came in from the wind 25-45mph winds today, just shot some nice 1' groups with my D34. I enjoy shooting in the wind, lots of fun. I hope you find a good sub $100 scope. when you do be sure to let us know. I know I would like a scope in that size and price for my HW30. good luck and happy shooting.

The Hawkes that have been recommended look good, but the bushnnells are very tempting.  I started this thread to see if I could find some kind of consensus that would make one scope stand out above the others.  Most reviews I have read are by people that have shot less then 300 pellets with their new scope.  That is not even a break in period as far as I am concerned.  I would like to hear from people that have shot thousands of times with a scope. 

The wind is wild today with gust up to 50 mph.  No chance to paper punch, but I got my new Chrony in today and did some testing with it, so if the scope was going to jump off again, it should have done that by now.  I'll have to wait until the wind dies down to test it out though.

[jungleexplorer]

What kind of rifle are you using?

1987 model RWS 36.

[BenjiHunter]

Remove all the extras and see if it makes any difference.

[Skinard88]

Yea the wind here changed direction and picked up, blew my 30yd. back stop over so I called it. hope you find something good. keep us posted.