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ezman604 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 06, 2015, 11:49:50 PM »

And 14.3gr is NOT a light weight pellet, no where near a PBA weight. So, IMO, they cannot blame the pellet for this issue!!!!
It's absurd to even consider it.

centexmarauder · « **Reply #21 on:** August 07, 2015, 12:00:43 AM »

Well the 135 is the largest swept displacement spring gun they have. I own two 125 th which are just a fuz less powerful. One of my rifles is a .22 an started its life as a 125 camo. The prior owner also only shot cphp's out of it. The stock broke right at the sas bolt with less than 500 rounds through it. I bought the broken rifle from him and tried to chrono it. It was in the mid500's. Took it down and the seal was demolished .After a debur lube and new piston seal plus a th stock it shoots in the mid 28 fpe. There are two giant problems with wal-mart cphp and a super magnum hatsan. First off the pellets are way too inconsistant in skirt/head diameter then the lead is too hard. When you pair these together in a super magnum the air blow by around the pellet through the rifleing does not allow the piston to decelerate thus slamming into the end of the compression tube. Which just happens to be right above the sas bolt. On top of it all hatsans commonly have a loose bore. the breach block area is snug then hardly any resistance the rest of the barrel. Without a soft skirt when the pellet makes this transition it will turn into a "bore rider".I promise you if you shoot more cphp they will ruin that gun. I have seen the damage. Ask other people why know hatsans they will tell you that cphp are a nono in a 125 or a 135. That rifle will love you if you feed it the 18.13 jsb. If it is healthy it will shoot them at 830-850fps.

blackfocal · « **Reply #22 on:** August 07, 2015, 12:04:07 AM »

/\/\/\/\/\ well he said exactly what i said earlier but just in a few more words....

jcwit · « **Reply #23 on:** August 07, 2015, 01:23:51 AM »

centexmarauder, got a question for you. How bout using Crosman Premier Domed 10.5 gr. in ,177 in a Hatsan 95 Vortex or a springer. I currently have the Vortex and plan to get the spring powered version in the near future.

My accuracy is super using the CPHP pellets, shooting 1 hole groups in my garage range.

Just asking for your thoughts.

Yogi · « **Reply #24 on:** August 07, 2015, 03:34:55 AM »

My Hatsan 95 Vortex, .22 is very accurate with the 14.3 grain CP Hollow Points! More so than with the CP domes ones. I would think that 14.3 grains would be considered mid-weight .22, no?

-Yogi

centexmarauder · « **Reply #25 on:** August 07, 2015, 08:18:20 AM »

I also have a hatsan 95 that i will put cphp through from time to time. Not the same issues there. The 20 fpe 95. and the 30 fpe 135 are not the same category of spring gun.The backpressure needed to cushion the 95 is much less than the 135. That is why they they shoot fine from a 95 and destroy a 125 or 135. Imho

ezman604 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 07, 2015, 10:35:22 AM »

That's funny. I have two of the Crosman XL series airguns. Never had an issue with any pellet weights. And they are most definitely in the same power class. Maybe Hatsan should learn from Crosman how to properly build a magnum break barrel.

And what a reversal from a manufacturer. Usually, they promote the lighter rounds by boasting xxxfps in an effort to get you to buy THEIR powerhouse airguns.
LOL

jcwit · « **Reply #27 on:** August 07, 2015, 12:13:45 PM »

The front bolt in question is also part of the SAS recoil reducing system, therefore subject to a lot of the shock/recoil on firing. This can be intensified by to heavy, to light, or an undersized pellet.

centexmarauder · « **Reply #28 on:** August 07, 2015, 03:40:15 PM »

I would go out on a limb a.nd say that your np xl dos not make 30 fpe. I would guess 25.so magnum yes super magnum imho no I have not taken apart a np xl or shot one. However i have rebuilt a dozen hatsans and shot thousands of pellets through the 125 series of rifles. The big hatsans and the cphp are not a good mix. The h&n ftt in 14.66 even shoot well so I stand by my statement.

ezman604 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 07, 2015, 03:43:43 PM »

It makes 28fpe....same class as the 135.

LAalex · « **Reply #30 on:** August 07, 2015, 03:58:11 PM »

Quote from: ezman604 on August 06, 2015, 11:49:50 PM

And 14.3gr is NOT a light weight pellet, no where near a PBA weight. So, IMO, they cannot blame the pellet for this issue!!!!
It's absurd to even consider it.

+1. Sounds like an excuse. I shot a ton of Gamo PBA's thru my old Big Cat and never caused anything to break, not even the main spring. When the engineering was done on this rifle they had to know that plenty of people would feed their guns a steady diet of 14 or so gr. pellets. My 2 cents.

Scotty

jcwit · « **Reply #31 on:** August 07, 2015, 04:20:42 PM »

Just putting out another perspective. I wonder how the org. OP came across to the folks at Hatsan USA.

I know for a fact that I've called them and talked to them twice now and they were very pleasant and helpful.

Just a thought. I've spent most of my life from the age of 13 in the retail business, the last 20 years with my wife's & My own business. Attitude means a lot.

Privateer · « **Reply #32 on:** August 07, 2015, 04:48:25 PM »

If I had any AG that broke that bolt?
I'd be checking the piston seal.
If that thing is bad it would not seal properly allowing the piston to slam into the front of the compression chamber.
There would be a tremendous amount of stress on the bolts then.
Hatsan's are known to come with an extra amount of steel shavings in the compression chamber from time to time.

centexmarauder · « **Reply #33 on:** August 07, 2015, 05:07:45 PM »

I. stand corrected on the xl #'s. you have one that. is shooting harder than all I have seen chronographed. Oh and double on what jeff just said

Pappywith4 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 08, 2015, 11:25:35 AM »

I haven't had any issues with my 125 shooting chp ! They have been as accurate as h&n but I do want to go to a heavier gr pellet to help at longer distance shooting!
So far I have only shot accurately out to 60 yds but notice that with a little wind they open up a bit!
Damaging the rifle because of shooting a pellet that is too hard and has fit problems is a no brainer!
I noticed that the fit on chp's vary and the tighter fit are more predictable so I need to look at jsb and h&n
And do a good distance shooting test! I agree completely that the chp's lead are just too hard, they have gone through 3/4 plywood and stuck in the backer with little to no deformation! Thanks for this thread guys! Papppywith4

Kaitos · « **Reply #35 on:** August 12, 2015, 11:08:17 AM »

Quote from: ezman604 on August 07, 2015, 10:35:22 AM

That's funny. I have two of the Crosman XL series airguns. Never had an issue with any pellet weights. And they are most definitely in the same power class. Maybe Hatsan should learn from Crosman how to properly build a magnum break barrel.
And what a reversal from a manufacturer. Usually, they promote the lighter rounds by boasting xxxfps in an effort to get you to buy THEIR powerhouse airguns.
LOL

I don't understand. Are you actually ragging on Hatsan for NOT using aluminum/tin pellets in their velocity testing? Hatsan is one of the very few companies that i've seen that actually use full lead pellets when advertising velocities for their guns. Also, you (being such an experienced air gunner) should understand how a poorly crafted pellet can damage a gun. CPHP's are extremely inconsistent and are normally undersized in diameter for what they should be. This could easily cause damage in a magnum/super magnum springer.

NWAForester · « **Reply #36 on:** August 12, 2015, 11:29:03 AM »

I agree with Kaitos, and a few others here. CPHP may work well on some rifles, however, everything I have seen on Hatsan has been very poor performance. We all know each gun will have a different preference. H&N makes several pellets in different diameters, (ie 5.53, 5.54, and 5.55 in the Baracuda Match). If you have a 135 with a slightly larger bore, than you should use a pellet with a larger diameter. A quick measure of some CPHPs I have laying around, showed a head diameter of as small as 5.40. I would try some other pellets of varying sizes and see how they perform. Just ditch the CPHPs, lol

SpringerForever · « **Reply #37 on:** August 21, 2015, 08:34:09 PM »

Quote from: centexmarauder on August 07, 2015, 05:07:45 PM

I. stand corrected on the xl #'s. you have one that. is shooting harder than all I have seen chronographed. Oh and double on what jeff just said

It's the 1st one I've read about capable of those numbers. Every other I've read about or seen on YT has been in the 24-25 FPE range.

And I agree with Jeff as well. I've seen some absolutely nasty shavings, far worse than what Jeff has pictured, in one of my 1st Hatsan 125s. And the seals in practically every Hatsan 125 (4+?) I've had apart were damaged in some way. Not to mention very, very hard. Not at all like the aftermarket seals available from ARH & elsewhere.

Privateer · « **Reply #38 on:** August 21, 2015, 09:05:44 PM »

Quote from: SpringerForever on August 21, 2015, 08:34:09 PM

It's the 1st one I've read about capable of those numbers. Every other I've read about or seen on YT has been in the 24-25 FPE range.

I see DEz lists his XL1100 as home tuned. So I can see it making those FPE numbers depending on what he did.
Is it buttoned, was the piston seal fitted, did he plant an N-Forcer in it, etc, etc, ad nauseam.
I've seen other AG's listed as low number producers and seen what a good tuner can squeeze out of them.

LeCocoPuffs · « **Reply #39 on:** September 02, 2015, 09:21:42 PM »

its been almost 2 weeks since my 135 arrived to hatsan factory. still no word from them. just got my new pellets, lets see if hatsan approves

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