Texan

[Metnav1]

More Bullet Testing: At 50 yard range

2850 psi Fill, 50 yards... I have better results across the board at 2850 psi

Nielsenammo:  340gn, Shot 1, 2, and 3 in the same hole, approx. 3/4 inch group... Did not use Chrony... Repeated 3 times

RL 311gn Would not group

RL 240gn 3" group for shot 2-4

HS 165gn 4" groups for 4 shots.  Actually shot 10 shots and picked best group of 4 consecutive shots, very accurate at 30 yards or less

Mr. HollowPoints 185gn 3 shot 3" groups
            "           200gn 3 shot 3" groups

Think I should test some of them round balls   



 

[nielsenammo]

More Bullet Testing: At 50 yard range

2850 psi Fill, 50 yards... I have better results across the board at 2850 psi

Nielsenammo:  340gn, Shot 1, 2, and 3 in the same hole, approx. 3/4 inch group... Did not use Chrony... Repeated 3 times

RL 311gn Would not group

RL 240gn 3" group for shot 2-4

HS 165gn 4" groups for 4 shots.  Actually shot 10 shots and picked best group of 4 consecutive shots, very accurate at 30 yards or less

Mr. HollowPoints 185gn 3 shot 3" groups
            "           200gn 3 shot 3" groups

Think I should test some of them round balls   

I will send you some options to see how they do.

I have a package from Corbin coming today and if it has the correct tooling i will be making some new texan bullet designs.

[Metnav1]

Nick,

I'd truly appreciate another batch... I have none of the big ones left, and they've been the standard for comparisons

George

[nielsenammo]

Nick,

I'd truly appreciate another batch... I have none of the big ones left, and they've been the standard for comparisons

George

Post office did not deliver my package so I won't get it until tuesday

[Metnav1]

I've been without a phone for a week due to, "Being lost in transit".  So I know how it feels LOL

[stevrom828]

Hello George. Im new on GTA and just recently purchased a Texan. Im looking for some accurate ammo that is around or under 200gr. A little heavier would be ok but i want to find a slug that i can get used to shooting at 50 to 200 yds. I have lots of deer and coyote on my property. I can get the fox up to 50yds with my .25 mrod but the dogs are skiddish and i cant get them closer than about 120 yards. So i need a good bullet that performs. Any info from anyone who's been shooting the Texan would be greatly appreciated.

[Metnav1]

Hello George. Im new on GTA and just recently purchased a Texan. Im looking for some accurate ammo that is around or under 200gr. A little heavier would be ok but i want to find a slug that i can get used to shooting at 50 to 200 yds. I have lots of deer and coyote on my property. I can get the fox up to 50yds with my .25 mrod but the dogs are skiddish and i cant get them closer than about 120 yards. So i need a good bullet that performs. Any info from anyone who's been shooting the Texan would be greatly appreciated.

Stevrom828,

Welcome to GTA, I'm pretty new on this forum too.

I've been testing bullets out to 100 yards... I've only found one bullet, up to now, that is accurate out to 100 yards.  Most of the bullets I have tested destabilize and start to corkscrew past 50 yards.  The bullet I found was either 340 or 350gn, heavy enough for Bison or Elk.  It was made by nielsenammo.com, and he is just setting up his operation.

His bullets are swaged, not poured.  He uses a powerful press to push the bullets to shape by squeezing them into a mold.(my understanding)  The result is very uniform bullets without any air pockets or malformations.

Anyway, I don't know if it's his process, or the specific bullet design I tested, but his worked great.

I like you, and probably the majority of folks, want a bullet that performs as well as his big bullet, but smaller.

He is working on it, and should have some test samples ready in a few days.  He's waiting on molds/parts, and the shipment won't be in until Tuesday... It's a long weekend Ha Ha.

Anyway I'm looking forward to testing them. 

As far as shooting 200 yards, well that's a pretty difficult feat in the field with an air rifle.  Sure the gun has killing power beyond 100 yards, but even a hundred yards is challenging, and is the maximum range I have chosen to shoot from.  Even with a light bullet, the rate of drop is significant, with large corrections in aim having to be made.  The light bullets are also more affected by wind, complicating the problem further.

It's a new gun, and we all need to see how it performs in the field as a hunting tool.  There's a lot to be learned from each other.

[supertech77]

i found on my texan that with .457, 340 gr that i made from a lee  bullet mold ,one hole at 75 yards with 1st 3 shots,then it drops and then rise,s,doe,s the same with lighter 195gr, bullets as well,only there off to the left,under 75 yards all go straight, thus i think cork screwing on the 195 gr, the 385 bbt bullets were by far most accurate at 50 yards, and like the 340 gr first 2 shots, not 3 on this bullet at 75 yards was 1 hole,also shot some 245 gr bullets that at 75 yards were 3 in one hole,then dropped and rose over next 10 shots, so i spent $20.00 on the lee .457 340 mold on ebay ,and $158.00 on the accurate 5 hole mold of .457 385 bbts, and 128.00 for a 3 hole .457 195 gr accurate mold, though the accurate mold is by far better quality, the lee 2 hole mold will work just fine,  the 245 gr bullets which i am testing for a fellow,is my favorite,although they are pellet type, they are very well made and real accurate, that,s all i can say about the mystery 245 gr ,

[Metnav1]

i found on my texan that with .457, 340 gr that i made from a lee  bullet mold ,one hole at 75 yards with 1st 3 shots,then it drops and then rise,s,doe,s the same with lighter 195gr, bullets as well,only there off to the left,under 75 yards all go straight, thus i think cork screwing on the 195 gr, the 385 bbt bullets were by far most accurate at 50 yards, and like the 340 gr first 2 shots, not 3 on this bullet at 75 yards was 1 hole,also shot some 245 gr bullets that at 75 yards were 3 in one hole,then dropped and rose over next 10 shots, so i spent $20.00 on the lee .457 340 mold on ebay ,and $158.00 on the accurate 5 hole mold of .457 385 bbts, and 128.00 for a 3 hole .457 195 gr accurate mold, though the accurate mold is by far better quality, the lee 2 hole mold will work just fine,  the 245 gr bullets which i am testing for a fellow,is my favorite,although they are pellet type, they are very well made and real accurate, that,s all i can say about the mystery 245 gr ,

Thanks for your results:  We all have an aim in mind for the gun, and testing it up to the limits we want to use it, is necessary.

[supertech77]

yep pretty sure if i top off after 3 shots, all 5 would go in same hole,or 6 Texan is a fine air rifle for sure,i am glad i purchased one,i am still learning this gun and the bullets that it shoots the best,i can't count the number of 45 cal bullets i have still to test, i got a lot of Mr hollow point bullets,at different gr.s and diameters yet to try..so i'll keep testing.    i have found my deer bullet out to 75 yards,and i am confident of making a head shot at that range with it,i hunt for meat,not trophy,and head shots are quick and clean kill,s and animals seldom move from where there shot.and no meat get messed up.

[David McAfee]

What kind of scopes are you guys usung? I bundled my Texan with an Air Force scope but I'm not sold on it. Its huge, for one thing. Seems like way more glass than I would need for the gun. Thinking of sending it back and replacing it with a 3-9×40. Probably a Leupold VX-1. That should be plenty given the rifle's range, right?

I'm pretty new at this, so still trying to figure stuff out.

[Metnav1]

What kind of scopes are you guys usung? I bundled my Texan with an Air Force scope but I'm not sold on it. Its huge, for one thing. Seems like way more glass than I would need for the gun. Thinking of sending it back and replacing it with a 3-9×40. Probably a Leupold VX-1. That should be plenty given the rifle's range, right?

I'm pretty new at this, so still trying to figure stuff out.

Big Scopes are the Air Gun way... We always had to place shots due to low ftlbs... This is a new critter, but for marketing they kept the big scope for Air Gunners.

The Texan would be fine with a 3-9 x 40

[nielsenammo]

I have a Hawke 8-32×56 right now which is awesome. I had a 6.5-20×44 which was great too. I will probably move scopes around again but Hawke scopes are really nice for me.

3-9 good for hunting but I like more zoom for target. Maybe scope depends on what you using it for.

[Metnav1]

Well I thought the other day, I should test some round balls in my Texan.  I had a box of Hornaday .457 143gn been in my drawer for over a year.

Hornaday .457 143gn Fill at 3000psi

Shot  1  603  fps
         2  611
         3  642     2850psi
         4  649.4
         5  697     2725psi
         6  747.5
         7  811.4  2600psi
         8  914.8  2550psi
         9  985.3  2450psi
       10  972.6
       11  965
       12  948.7
       13  929
       14  910.5
       15  884.8

There's my curve, 2500psi Fill, 50 yard target... 8 shots 3" group... Ignoring first and last shot, 6 shots 1.25" group

Much better than most of the bullets did in testing, even the bullets from RL that were "Made for the Texan"

Need to test them out to 100 yards, that's what I need the bullets for.

What does that tell us about the majority of bullets being made for the Texan???

[supertech77]

i use a vector ffp paladin 4x16x50mm on mine, love it once i figured out the new style reticle very well made scope,

[shamu25]

I have not read all 12 pages on this post so this may have been mentioned but for what it's worth here's a tip on accurate ammo.  I had a .457 Extreme and tried lots and lots of bullets.  The most accurate was the 250 grain Lee REAL.  Then my 45 Ranger loved the 200 grain REAL.  The REAL molds are only about $18 each from  MidSouth Shooters.  They drop about .460 but easily size to .457 with a Lee sizing die.  I would bet that these bullets would shoot very well in the Texan. 
One other note.  I have now have a 257 Condor and a 408 Extreme and both are mounted with a Simmons 44 Mag scope,  4-12x44.  It has side focus and dials down to less than 15 yards for parallax.  Good glass for about $100 on ebay. 
Love my Condor so much may have to add a Texan to the collection in the coming year.
Happy Shooting
Ray

[Metnav1]

I have not read all 12 pages on this post so this may have been mentioned but for what it's worth here's a tip on accurate ammo.  I had a .457 Extreme and tried lots and lots of bullets.  The most accurate was the 250 grain Lee REAL.  Then my 45 Ranger loved the 200 grain REAL.  The REAL molds are only about $18 each from  MidSouth Shooters.  They drop about .460 but easily size to .457 with a Lee sizing die.  I would bet that these bullets would shoot very well in the Texan. 
One other note.  I have now have a 257 Condor and a 408 Extreme and both are mounted with a Simmons 44 Mag scope,  4-12x44.  It has side focus and dials down to less than 15 yards for parallax.  Good glass for about $100 on ebay. 
Love my Condor so much may have to add a Texan to the collection in the coming year.
Happy Shooting
Ray

Ray,

What distance were you shooting, I have found many bullets accurate at 30 yards, but few that stay stable out to 100 yards. 

I like my 4-16 scope, that way when I'm at the range I can see my target holes from 100 yards.  I first used my 4-12 scope but couldn't make out the holes in the dark areas around the bulls eye.  Both UTC 30mm tubes with side focus wheels, that focus down to 10 yards.

The Texan is something special

[David McAfee]

3-9 good for hunting but I like more zoom for target. Maybe scope depends on what you using it for.

I can't hunt with it. Not legal in TN.

[shamu25]

George, The REAL bullets do consistent one ragged hole groups at 50 yards and are still stable at 100 yards.  Not sure the comparison of barrel twist between the Texan and Extreme.  The Extremes are very slow twist.  I think my .408 is 1:22.  I am sure twist rate will have tons to do on stability at longer distances.  Maybe Bob or someone else can compare twist rates on these two guns.

[nielsenammo]

George, The REAL bullets do consistent one ragged hole groups at 50 yards and are still stable at 100 yards.  Not sure the comparison of barrel twist between the Texan and Extreme.  The Extremes are very slow twist.  I think my .408 is 1:22.  I am sure twist rate will have tons to do on stability at longer distances.  Maybe Bob or someone else can compare twist rates on these two guns.

The Texan is 1:20 twist. I did some testing on lighter bullets which were ok at short distance (50 yards) but not at 100 yards.

I swaged 370, 320 and 250 grain bullets all the same exact design but shorter to make lighter. The heavier/longer bullets did better in every design.

Getting more tooling today and if it has the right punches in this package I will try some new designs.  I have tried some ammo people said they are shooting 1 hole groups with and can not repeat those claims. Each bullet makes 1 hole but not the same hole as the last one.