Wrecked my new hawke tactical (update scope working great)

[mbouchpcp]

No need to shim if you invest in a droop mount from RWS, UTG, Sportsmatch, (I think) BKL or others out there. 

[anuthabubba]

Been warning about shims damaging scopes and now here's proof, again! Doesn't matter what material is used, shims damage scopes.

Not always 

Yep, that attitude destroys good scopes, although it's good for business  ..   

Would one ever know the tube was bent, if the shimming worked and you shot that set-up from now on?

[grauhanen]

Now that you have some money...get a better scope for less money. With WAY better glass...and yes better then hawke. Go pick you up a Mueller 8-32x44 SF MD scope. Its long though but still better glass then the hawke

Lest anyone be confused, the Mueller 8-32X44 SF is not in the same league as the Hawke Tactical scopes.  I have two of each and there is a world of difference -- and there should be as the Hawke's are almost twice the cost.

[Booger]

I strongly suggest 15# for scope rings & 35# for the mounts. Use one of these to get it right.

[SpringerForever]

FWIW, I haven't had any luck with Hawkes ...

or UTGs ...

or practically any other optic ...

on my super magnum Hatsan 125s.

So I can definitely empathize with you.

Droop mount, one piece scope mount, etc. No matter. It seems that something internally just 'fatigues' after 10-50 shots. Usually lower. Easy enuf to recognize - POI shift - sometimes gross, sometimes not, but still sufficient to recognize that the scope has taken a figurative dump. Yet I can send the very same scope back to a factory service center (& I have) & the service center will claim that the scope is working fine. Fine for the service center but in my real world, on my real world super magnum it's no more than an expensive POS AFAIC. Supposed magnum rating notwithstanding. If you can't tell, I'm pretty fed up with optics. I think it's pretty embarrassing that I'm able to shoot better open sights than with an optic at 25 yards BRed. Especially with my poor eyesight!

Good luck with finding a scope that works like it should on a magnum or super magnum.

FWIW, the Bushnell Elite 3200 MIJ (Made in Japan) AO scope on my brother's RWS/Diana 350 .177 outputting ~20 FPE seems to be holding up well. And it tracks properly too! Should be a given with most scopes but it's the only scope I've used that has. Pretty pitiful considering the cost of some of the so-called 'optics' I've used. Definitely in the POS category for the most part as far as tracking is concerned in my experience. Don't even bother with the box test as it will just be an exercise in frustration.

[rdeady]

I have a $100 utg on the hw 97 which i shimmed with a little cardboard and didn't tighten much.  Shooting like a champ   POI is on the money.  But it is only 3-9 magnification and it has really thick cross hairs. Would like to get the more costly hawke working the way it should as I really loved it the first week or two before the POi started moving all over.
  Booger I do need one of those torq drivers and I will look into getting one.
  Yrok  I certainly don't mind that it is bent  but the fellow at Hawke said there is nothing wrong with the scope and the POI is moving because its flexing where I crushed it.
The more I think about it the more I doubt he is correct.  But heck I'M no scope expert Obviously!!!   hehe       
If they wont fix it Ill  glue a piece of aluminum or sheet metal under the bottom where its dented that will possibly strengthen it so it doesn't flex and would also act as a shim
But even if that gets done and strengthens it I still think there is something else wrong with it!

[anuthabubba]

"The scopes were put on my hw97 ."

rdeady:

Had to go back and re-read your post after reading about guys who seem surprised that a cheaply made scope on a cheaply made 'Super Magnum' won't hold up! You got a nice airgun ... now get a nice scope! Been shooting Leupold Compact EFRs and Burris Compact AOs and Mini's and even old Beeman SSs since the '80s on home tuned (JM guts) R10s, R9s, HW77s, FWB124s and Pro Elites, R1s (to 20+ fpe) without scope issues! Have shot and might still be shooting, some slightly crushed scope tubes without the 'issues' you spoke of.

[TCups]

I strongly suggest 15# for scope rings & 35# for the mounts. Use one of these to get it right.

Booger:
Unless you took the picture while you were using your torque driver, I suggest you may want to reset the torque setting on your driver to 0 in-lb when you put it back in it's case for storage until next use.  I don't know if it's particular to the brand of torque driver I own, but the instructions specifically indicated that leaving the driver set to anything over 0 in-lb for storage, over time, weakens the internal spring mechanism causing changes the calibration such that it will no longer be accurate.  Check your instructions just in case.

As for the Hawk Scope, I fear that the Hawke Eclipse atop my Theoben Crusader .20 cal failed today.  My target session at 30 yards started with a decent ten-shot grouping and then went to *(&^.

 

Nothing else seems amiss with the mounts, action screws, etc.  Got the original package for the scope out and, reading the warranty card, seen that Hawk demands proof of purchase from the original owner.  Unfortunately the receipt isn't in the box and I don't think I can produce one.  Wonder if that is a hard and fast rule with Hawke?

[PBguns]

If your going to buy a torque screwdriver.....buy Wiha.
We have used them for years at our shop. Have tried many, but IMO Wiha is leaps and bounds better.
They are made much better than the competition. They are available in a  5-10 Inch Pound and 15-80 Inch Ounces version.

[mpbby]

Does anyone know if there is a mount with 2 features = vertically adjustable + recoil dampening?

Btw, my 350 has an - upward - barrel droop.
 
Thank you, Marcos

[anuthabubba]

Does anyone know if there is a mount with 2 features = vertically adjustable + recoil dampening?

Btw, my 350 has an - upward - barrel droop.
 
Thank you, Marcos

"Btw, my 350 has an - upward - barrel droop." Simplest fix is to bend it 'til it's right.

[rdeady]

Yrok    Heck man i didn't think i was getting a cheap scope with the Hawke  Darn thing retails for like $479.   Thankfully I did not pay that but close enough in my book to ruin my day when i found out it wasn't warrantied 

[TCups]

If your going to buy a torque screwdriver.....buy Wiha.
We have used them for years at our shop. Have tried many, but IMO Wiha is leaps and bounds better.
They are made much better than the competition. They are available in a  5-10 Inch Pound and 15-80 Inch Ounces version.

Hmmmmm.  At over $500 for the set, out of reach for most here.

This, on sale for $137 looks interesting:



http://www.wihatools.com/200seri/285vario_s.htm

. . .or this for $243




. . . but still, a definite luxury for all but perhaps the gunsmiths on the forum.

The site is worth a bookmark, though, for the "gear heads" here that appreciate nice tools.

http://www.wihatools.com/default.htm

[Geoff]

Been warning about shims damaging scopes and now here's proof, again! Doesn't matter what material is used, shims damage scopes.

Not always 

Yep, that attitude destroys good scopes, although it's good for business  ..   

I have done it to a couple of mine and have not seen any damage to them and they hold zero just fine.  One cannot say it will damage a scope.  I would give you that is could or even that it likely would, but not a definite will.  /shrugs

[mbouchpcp]

Does anyone know if there is a mount with 2 features = vertically adjustable + recoil dampening?

Btw, my 350 has an - upward - barrel droop.
 
Thank you, Marcos

Yes. Diana the Bullseye ZR mount with droop compensation. See:
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/bullseye-zr-1-pc-mount-1-rings-weaver-0-04-droop-compensation-recoil?a=5496
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/bullseye-zr-1-pc-mount-fits-1-and-30mm-tubes-11mm-dovetail-0-04-droop?a=5495

Best wishes.

the other Mark B.

[Petey]

Jeff,
   I beg to differ with you: the loose spring inside the scope is either "bad luck" or inferior manufacturing/assembly.

I have used Hawke scopes for a number of years....

What I noticed is a number of things .....Most user error. The end result of poor judgement or lack of knowledge. Both travel hand in hand at times.

Example: Not matching the scope to the rifle.... A sport HD may be fine on a HW30s or a X12. But not on  a RWS350

2) Not knowing how to setup a scope...... How many freekin times Have you seen posts stating
" I Cranked the elevation all the way up "==EPIC FAIL! 
3) Shimming a scope is fine ...do it all the time. But some people (not referring to the op ) have no sense of feel for what they're doing and lack all mechanical ability...I.E. the only tool they should be allowed to hold is a spoon.  To those who know and acknowledge their lack of ability , I say Bravo. You will never suffer the misery of having damaged your AG.

There are many videos on you tube ....Airgun academy = lots of info on setting up a scope and how they work.

The GTA is wealth of info = Just ask .

Good luck & Happy Shootin To All!
Petey

[Onebaddj]

Dang that stinks. I shim a lot of scopes too. I center them then try to get them as close to bore sited as I can before adjusting them for final sighting in. I use pepsi can shims. no more than 2 layers and torque the rings with my thumb and pinky. Pinky applies the pressure. Has worked well for years for me.

Might try the Leapers/UTG 4-16x40 AO predator scope. 9 mil dots in all directions, clear glass and under $80. The lines are a little thick compared to my hawke eclipse but for a 1/4 the price I love them. I ran one on my 177 350 with no issues for years. Took it off and put a different scope on it when I sold it so I could keep the scope.

Wish they would still make the Eclipse line. Mine has been riding my 470 for a long time. Solid scopes.

Any local Gun shops that may be willing to try to crack it open to fix the spring. Figure since its broke no loss if they cannot.   

[palonej]

I strongly suggest 15# for scope rings & 35# for the mounts. Use one of these to get it right.

Booger:
Unless you took the picture while you were using your torque driver, I suggest you may want to reset the torque setting on your driver to 0 in-lb when you put it back in it's case for storage until next use.  I don't know if it's particular to the brand of torque driver I own, but the instructions specifically indicated that leaving the driver set to anything over 0 in-lb for storage, over time, weakens the internal spring mechanism causing changes the calibration such that it will no longer be accurate.  Check your instructions just in case.

As for the Hawk Scope, I fear that the Hawke Eclipse atop my Theoben Crusader .20 cal failed today.  My target session at 30 yards started with a decent ten-shot grouping and then went to *(&^.

 

Nothing else seems amiss with the mounts, action screws, etc.  Got the original package for the scope out and, reading the warranty card, seen that Hawk demands proof of purchase from the original owner.  Unfortunately the receipt isn't in the box and I don't think I can produce one.  Wonder if that is a hard and fast rule with Hawke?

I have sent back a couple to Hawke and have never been asked for a receipt.
All you need to do is call them, number on web site, tell Jeff or Jess, can't remember which, what the problem is and he'll give you an RMA.
You just pay shipping to them.
You'll have a new scope in about a week.

[Not The Brightest Bulb]

But some people (not referring to the op ) have no sense of feel for what they're doing and lack all mechanical ability...I.E. the only tool they should be allowed to hold is a spoon.

Petey
My wife watches me carefully with all eating utensils. I'm also not allowed near scissors.

[Petey]

But some people (not referring to the op ) have no sense of feel for what they're doing and lack all mechanical ability...I.E. the only tool they should be allowed to hold is a spoon.

Petey
My wife watches me carefully with all eating utensils. I'm also not allowed near scissors.

LOL!
Brad , shoot me your address. I'll send ya some safety scissors.
It's ok to run with these....really.


Happy Shootin To All!
Petey