Quote from: palonej on June 18, 2015, 12:03:38 PMLittle more info needed Kev.Budget, including glass.What type of shooting and what distance.BUDGET!!Are springers bad???If you want to spend $80 and shoot 1/4" groups at 70 yards with a plastic rifle touting 1800 fps......yup!! They are REAL bad!!!Call Mike at Flying Dragons bro!!Good luck!Really sorry guys, my top dollar would be $200 and looking to shoot up to 50 yards, birds to small game, I really should have mentioned this before
Little more info needed Kev.Budget, including glass.What type of shooting and what distance.BUDGET!!Are springers bad???If you want to spend $80 and shoot 1/4" groups at 70 yards with a plastic rifle touting 1800 fps......yup!! They are REAL bad!!!Call Mike at Flying Dragons bro!!Good luck!
With a spring gun you have to wait until you know you're going to take a shot to cock the gun.Nope....never had to do that with the R9s I've been shootin' for a couple decades! I simply shoot a shot or two when I get to the "squirrel woods", cock the gun-load pellet-latch barrel, and then hunt "normal style" like I did with rimfires.LOL, if I didn't don't get a shot every couple hours then it was a SLOOOOW day, and a quality springer being cocked for a few hours at a time isn't an issue. When living in WV I shot roughly 10,000 shots per year and I had to replace a Maccari spring every couple of years with that shooting schedule. After a spring broke (and they do break after a lot of use) it was simply another $20 bill for a new Maccari spring plus about 30 minutes of disassembly/reassembly and I was good for another couple years! With a springer there are a couple things considered "consumables" and need replacing occasionally like tires on your car. These are the spring, the piston seal, and the breech seal. LOL....even the gas ram gun can have issues with the piston seal and breech seal, plus the gas charge in the ram can leak down with time (especially the cheap rammers) and the "cheapies" have rams that can't be repaired....only replaced.Anywhoo.....I personally consider replacing the spring of a R9/HW95 simply a "less than 1/2 hour chore" every few years and a non-issue!P.S. I guess that I also have issues with this statement if "modest" means cheap......."with a modest optic and be effective within 30-40 yards."Any piston gun of moderate power (say 14fpe) will require a robust scope. This is especially the "rammers" due to the sharper shot cycle. Also, the rammer requires more cocking effort for an equivalent power level than the springer. As a side note....I have found that the inexpensive Adventure Class scopes available at WallyMart for about $80 do hold up pretty good on a springer.
Quote from: nced on June 18, 2015, 03:24:50 PMWith a spring gun you have to wait until you know you're going to take a shot to cock the gun.Nope....never had to do that with the R9s I've been shootin' for a couple decades! I simply shoot a shot or two when I get to the "squirrel woods", cock the gun-load pellet-latch barrel, and then hunt "normal style" like I did with rimfires.LOL, if I didn't don't get a shot every couple hours then it was a SLOOOOW day, and a quality springer being cocked for a few hours at a time isn't an issue. When living in WV I shot roughly 10,000 shots per year and I had to replace a Maccari spring every couple of years with that shooting schedule. After a spring broke (and they do break after a lot of use) it was simply another $20 bill for a new Maccari spring plus about 30 minutes of disassembly/reassembly and I was good for another couple years! With a springer there are a couple things considered "consumables" and need replacing occasionally like tires on your car. These are the spring, the piston seal, and the breech seal. LOL....even the gas ram gun can have issues with the piston seal and breech seal, plus the gas charge in the ram can leak down with time (especially the cheap rammers) and the "cheapies" have rams that can't be repaired....only replaced.Anywhoo.....I personally consider replacing the spring of a R9/HW95 simply a "less than 1/2 hour chore" every few years and a non-issue!P.S. I guess that I also have issues with this statement if "modest" means cheap......."with a modest optic and be effective within 30-40 yards."Any piston gun of moderate power (say 14fpe) will require a robust scope. This is especially the "rammers" due to the sharper shot cycle. Also, the rammer requires more cocking effort for an equivalent power level than the springer. As a side note....I have found that the inexpensive Adventure Class scopes available at WallyMart for about $80 do hold up pretty good on a springer.If you can point the OP toward a springer you can leave cocked all day for $200 with an optic I'm all for it. And I specifically avoided using the word cheap. The Centerpoint scopes are a good example of modest optics. They don't have great glass, but they're relatively inexpensive and they seem to hold up fairly well to medium powered springers.
I have shot very well to fair midlin with friends BSA and tuned/untuned springers so I will never say that the can not be accurate and usually the less fpe the less hold sensitive...But in the 200 dollar range with the double recoil well with the scope I just think there is difficulty ahead...Now if you can work with peeps and learn to tune your rifle yourself...Me in that range for store bought stock it would have to go to the pumpers; Benjis, Crosmans, and Sheridans...My eyes got older and I like the scope now so I build 13XX and may build my 2100 into a ~850 fps .177 pumper with some custom parts.They will usually need a little knowledge of how to tune/accurize a pumper some do very well out of the box...Point is at the 200$ level the pumper has a less steep learning curve both on tuning and shooting well.My I have had fun mixing and matching parts to come up with ~21 accurate fpe for about $150.But for out of the box performance I would be getting a Benji 392 and a peep at the $200 dollar level...And keep your eye out for some of the oldies that have been taken care of...http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=92189.0
Quote from: Kavin2845 on June 18, 2015, 12:34:52 PMQuote from: palonej on June 18, 2015, 12:03:38 PMLittle more info needed Kev.Budget, including glass.What type of shooting and what distance.BUDGET!!Are springers bad???If you want to spend $80 and shoot 1/4" groups at 70 yards with a plastic rifle touting 1800 fps......yup!! They are REAL bad!!!Call Mike at Flying Dragons bro!!Good luck!Really sorry guys, my top dollar would be $200 and looking to shoot up to 50 yards, birds to small game, I really should have mentioned this beforeAs already mention... Mike Mellick at Flying Dragon is your guy. Get and XS-25 in .22 with a full tune for right at your budget of $200. Mike is one of, if not, the best in the business for tuning and standing behind the Chinese springers. You will think you are shooting a way more expensive gun. The XS-25 is not too heavy to carry around in the woods either. We have 2 of them and we shoot open sights at 25 - 35 yds. and hit what we aim at. Oh.. did I mention? The XS-25 is one of the clones for the Diana that the others are raving about.
Mike Mellick has been at this for a while. I "Personally" would spend the extra for him to tune it for you. The basic tune is basic,,,,, but remember that these are Chinese air rifles, after all. Spend the extra money..... A good trigger is a big difference...
Look Here for the rifle:http://flyingdragonairrifles.org/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=51YOU WANT TO ORDER IT WITH THE BASIC TUNE!Look here for the scope:Have fun.
Trigger mod is with full tune.
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