Vulcan

[oldpro]

 The answer is dont have your ear on the breech or your face thus the mid pup design.

[scottyhazzard]

  There ya go. Simple solution.

[Nomadic Pirate]

First all bullpups force you too put your face on the breech this is both very uncomfortable and noisy for one,  Ow ya Im working on it lol

I was wondering about the noise. With your ear on the breech, just what could be done to deaden the noise.  It seems to me an efficient use of space to have the breech back there... What about sound deadening materials over the breech and perhaps under a floated cheekweld?
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_658HM11264/HushMat-11264-Kit.html

That's the problem with Pups, if you put material on the breech the scope will be even higher.

[rkr]

http://i.imgur.com/8VuTMRYh.jpg    I was going to cut 4 inches off back of stock In front of shoulder pad then add cheek riser behind scope above stock.

Howabout Brocock Compatto style:



Maybe even move the action back a further inch or two.

[scottyhazzard]

That Brocock looks nice. It reminds me of a Russian gun that's supposedly really loud and not going to be coming to the states anytime soon.

[scottyhazzard]

Something short, Flex accurate and spooky quiet.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Something short, Flex accurate and spooky quiet.

Sounds like that one is in the works

[LEE IN VA.]

That Brocock looks nice. It reminds me of a Russian gun that's supposedly really loud and not going to be coming to the states anytime soon.

I like the looks of that gun? Where can I find more info?

[scottyhazzard]

That was short-sighted of me, I'm sorry, I should have included a link in that post. Here it is now- http://ataman-guns.com/product/5
The neat looking compact guns start about 4 or 5 rows from the bottom of the page. Not a lot of information out there in English about this brand.

[scottyhazzard]

Supposedly they use Lothar Walther barrels in 7.62, .30 and .35 calibers and can produce 147 foot pounds of energy. Why I post the picture and describe the calibers and how much energy it can produce is that this is in the realm of the Flex and because Oldpro is working his magic on a compact design.

[Ginuwine]

Supposedly they use Lothar Walther barrels in 7.62, .30 and .35 calibers and can produce 147 foot pounds of energy. Why I post the picture and describe the calibers and how much energy it can produce is that this is in the realm of the Flex and because Oldpro is working his magic on a compact design.

Scotty, did you get your Vulcan Tactic yet?  This thread has died off for the last two months.

[scottyhazzard]

Sadly, no. My wife spent my annual bonus on a pair of fancy sofas. I was pretty upset but she bought them for the family while I was looking to just spend the money on a toy for myself. That made me feel worse. I'm still saving up and she won't spend the money this time.

I have decided not to purchase the Vulcan Tactic anyway. The hammer spring cannot be adjusted without removing the stock. I'm sure once tuned to a pellet wight and velocity the rifle will be fantastic as any Vulcan, the ability to adjust easily is important to me. As the latest version of the Vulcan pup is adjustable without disassembly and TGAG can make it even more quiet, this brings it back to the front of the pack.

As I collect overtime I'm watching to see how the Ataman is reviewed, waiting to see if Kalibergun comes through with the rumored Colibrí 2 and if WAR is able to come out with the compact version of the Flex.
Preferences being 1. Flex compact, 2. Colibrí, 3. Either the Vulcan or the Ataman, but for now the Ataman is only in .22. Same as the Colibrí but the Colibrí is going to be semi-auto- if it comes out.

Have you decided if you are going to get the Tactic? It is a very nice looking rifle.

[Ginuwine]

Scotty:  No still torn between the Tactic and the Vulcan, as far as the HST I would just use a dremal to round out the area so the HST was easily reachable (just raise the check piece and there it is).  I guess the bottom line is loudness, TGAG told me to shroud makes the Tactic quieter than the Vulcan, but you can add a LDC to both to make them even more quiet but at that point I don't want all that length on the tactic.  I think the Tactic will balance better and won't ping (or as much).  I just can't freakin decide, and i have the dough and the wife permission.  Ataman is too new for me and heard it used to have issue at longer ranges 80-100 yards.   Colibri could turn out like waiting to see a white Unicorn (just don't have that kinda of time), Flex looks ok, but if i were going to go that route i would get a Impact looks more polished, just haven't worked out all the kinks out for my liking.  The impact was my first choice just heard to many mixed reviews for the price and the wait, the Vulcan seems more proven, more solid choice.  Will most likely end up with an Impact MkII one day, but I have to scratch that .25cal itch sooner than later.  I guess if there was something substantially different about the two it would make it an easier choice.

[oldpro]

 I have a Brocock s6 and its so light and accurate, really and amazing gun.

[Ginuwine]

Oldpro:  You have a lot of guns, which one is your favorite?

[scottyhazzard]

The S6 Contour Elite looks neat as does the Compatto. The contour however only reaches 16fpe in the export model and the Compatto hits a respectable 30fpe and will be offered in .25. Nice price range to boot.
One of the things that makes the Vulcan so attractive is the ability to shoot at 50fpe. For me I think the Vulcan is equivalent to a fail safe- If all the others are questionable in some regard, then the Vulcan is safe IMO as it has proven itself in 4 key components: Accurate, Powerful, Quiet, Compact. To buy something else the other gun would have to distinguish itself above the Vulcan in one of those four categories without sacrificing something or be equal to those four requirements and offer something else. i.e. Very adjustable power levels like the Flex and or ability to change caliber like the Flex.

If the Compatto could be tweaked to shoot at 50fpe or better in .25 and be altered to accommodate a bottle without sacrificing plenum then I would take a serious look at the Compatto. But then after the cost of those modifications it would be better to just go with the Flex. 

Oldpro, can you make a compact Flex please? I think that is what the market needs. Or at least that's what I want.

[Ginuwine]

Scotty, just wanted to share with you that i did order the Vulcan Tactic in .25 yesterday, sadly to report i will not have it in my hands for another 2 weeks because i'm stuck overseas.  I must say at this moment i have a little case of buyers remorse.  Because as long as i had the money and didn't order anything was possible, and everything looked better.  The Impact, the Vulcan, even that Atman.  But now that i've commented I've got the Tactic and everything else is in the rear view mirror.  I will own an Impact one day (MKII LOL).  But for now i'm the proud owner of a Tactic .25 cal with the Peter's 2 system silencing mod, 4 magazines, Magual carrying strap and adapter, SWFA 16x  scope and bubble level, sports match ATP66 rings, Butler creek scope caps, Atlas bipod,VISM NcSTAR Tactical 36" caring case, Accu-Shot BT28 AFAR Picatinny Accessory Rail, @$%^ i even order the Omega SC compressor.  Never posted a youtube video but may do a review in once i get home and settled in.  Pictures will surely follow.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Scotty, just wanted to share with you that i did order the Vulcan Tactic in .25 yesterday, sadly to report i will not have it in my hands for another 2 weeks because i'm stuck overseas.  I must say at this moment i have a little case of buyers remorse.  Because as long as i had the money and didn't order anything was possible, and everything looked better.  The Impact, the Vulcan, even that Atman.  But now that i've commented I've got the Tactic and everything else is in the rear view mirror.  I will own an Impact one day (MKII LOL).  But for now i'm the proud owner of a Tactic .25 cal with the Peter's 2 system silencing mod, 4 magazines, Magual carrying strap and adapter, SWFA 16x  scope and bubble level, sports match ATP66 rings, Butler creek scope caps, Atlas bipod,VISM NcSTAR Tactical 36" caring case, Accu-Shot BT28 AFAR Picatinny Accessory Rail, @$%^ i even order the Omega SC compressor.  Never posted a youtube video but may do a review in once i get home and settled in.  Pictures will surely follow.

looking forward to see this one, that gun configuration is what I believe is the best compromise.

I think W.A.R. is working on something similar, ...something to really keep your eyes peeled for

[scottyhazzard]

Ginuwine, that's going to be an awesome set up! I look forward to seeing videos or at least pics and a write up.  It's going to be a long two weeks.

Regarding the compressor, have you seen the compressor that Mrodair is putting out? If it is near the price range of the compressor you are getting, you might want to look at changing your order- or I'm a sucker for good advertising. Sending you a PM

[Ginuwine]

Yeah i looked into the Mrod, and just two many people complaining, then there was something about being shipped with oil and being turned on there sides which caused issues and units had to be replaced.  So tried and true, went with Omega.  If there is any manufacturing issues AOA will replace it no question asked.  Second there close enough to my cousin that if i had any real issues it would be a good chance to go stand on someones desk an make them fix it and see family all in the same day  .  I'm sure they have there issues two but out of all the post of guys whom had them for over a year with 100 hours or less and no issue i'm good with that.  Only needs service after 3500 hours, thats a life time of airgun shooting for me.  But will keep you informed.

Sitting here looking at the clock