What do you think?

[Trondyne]

I've been thinking about the changes we've seen in air guns over the years..  I know this topic is not entirely new but I thought I would bounce it out here and see what people think if they care to share..

What would you guys think about a "hyper velocity" air gun?  Since the general direction designs have been going is bigger and more power..  I have been thinking where this is going in the future...all things change...  But certainly not to bigger bores... .50 cal is just about the limit anyone would want to go in bore... And since the market, much to the distain of some purists really like speed...   What about a super sonic gun?  Would you buy it?  Do you think the air gun community would go for it? 

Now I am talking about a gun, probably a PCP that would, just for the sake of argument be a very high velocity gun say in .22 shooting over 1600 FPS... and shooting well, group well, and shooting pellets or bullets designed specifically for these speeds, AND fast enough to STAY supersonic to target....

As technology improves, etc, etc, things will change I just wonder if SS AGs will ever become a reality, you know it only takes one gun on the market to start a fire of interest...

In any case I think it would be fun to try...      

[Gertrude]

Not exactly what you are asking, but you might find this interesting...

http://www.extremebigboreairrifles.com/

http://www.mrhollowpoint.com/6701.html

[anuthabubba]

The economy/convenience of the propellant seems to be a major concern.

[Trondyne]

Not exactly what you are asking, but you might find this interesting...

http://www.extremebigboreairrifles.com/

http://www.mrhollowpoint.com/6701.html

So from that it, if they are correct they're already sort of doing hyper velocity...  BOOM!

[Trondyne]

The economy/convenience of the propellant seems to be a major concern.

Well that's true to some extent for PCPs in general...  Those crazy guys above seem to be doing this already so it looks like this is being explored now. 

Some guys always like to see how far they can push the envelope....   

[OldFlyRod]

Helium, really ups the game. We use it keep the MRI magnet from over heating.

[Trondyne]

Helium, really ups the game. We use it keep the MRI magnet from over heating.

How does it work? Why is helium better or make for more energy?

[StevenG]

Speed of sound in helium is must higher. Pushing a gas faster than the speed of sound is very hard,sonic choking slows it down.

However helium being element number 2 is very small and leaks through everything.

I don't think .50 is the upper limit as far as caliber goes. Some lunatic hopefully will make a full bore 1.0 gun.

[anuthabubba]

Speed of sound in helium is must higher. Pushing a gas faster than the speed of sound is very hard,sonic choking slows it down.

However helium being element number 2 is very small and leaks through everything.

I don't think .50 is the upper limit as far as caliber goes. Some lunatic hopefully will make a full bore 1.0 gun.

                                                         

[LeadBreakfast]

There are already guns being made at .72 and above, at some point, if you make a big enough hole, bigger isn't going to help. That said, the power some of these guys can produced enough these days is astounding. If someone could/did make a gun that could hold SS speeds to the target I think there would be a serious market, however, I think that the maximum distance in which the pellet can maintain that kind of speed would be fairly short (as it currently is). I can easily achieve SS velocities in my .25 Condor, but there is no reason to do so as it cannot be maintained for distance. I hope someone does prove me wrong though.

[Trondyne]

There are already guns being made at .72 and above, at some point, if you make a big enough hole, bigger isn't going to help. That said, the power some of these guys can produced enough these days is astounding. If someone could/did make a gun that could hold SS speeds to the target I think there would be a serious market, however, I think that the maximum distance in which the pellet can maintain that kind of speed would be fairly short (as it currently is). I can easily achieve SS velocities in my .25 Condor, but there is no reason to do so as it cannot be maintained for distance. I hope someone does prove me wrong though.

One big problem appears to be air choking at supersonic speeds...  I don't know the extent of this limitation but it may be the case that it's a big problem...  But if air pressures were high enough and transfer was efficient enough and the gas used was not limiting then it could certainly happen... But not with a pellet at least not a diablo pellet..

To me it's always fun to try to break down barriers and reach new levels of performance..  Perhaps one day there will be supersonic airguns in the real sense of the term.