Cheap Pellet Seater ...

[anuthabubba]

Tried all the 'seating tools' (have a small collection) and found them more trouble than they were worth. For years have used only the tip of a finger and if not flush with the breech, use a sweep with the back/top (where the polish is applied) of my pointer/index finger to smooth the skirt. If this doesn't work, the brand or model of the pellet gets changed or the breech leade gets reamed or that gun gets less attention and maybe passed on. Why would anyone want a loading hassle, that requires a 'tool', with every shot?

[longhunter]

" For years have used only the tip of a finger and if not flush with the breech, use a sweep with the back/top (where the polish is applied) "

I KNEW IT .

[Slavia]

Tried all the 'seating tools' (have a small collection) and found them more trouble than they were worth. For years have used only the tip of a finger and if not flush with the breech, use a sweep with the back/top (where the polish is applied) of my pointer/index finger to smooth the skirt. If this doesn't work, the brand or model of the pellet gets changed or the breech leade gets reamed or that gun gets less attention and maybe passed on. Why would anyone want a loading hassle, that requires a 'tool', with every shot?

Same here.  They seem to give the best results on lower powered guns, but even then they don't work with all pellet types.  Even where I can see a difference, that difference will be so subtle that it won't necessarily clearly support using the tool.  It depends on how much patience I have at any given moment.

[anuthabubba]

" For years have used only the tip of a finger and if not flush with the breech, use a sweep with the back/top (where the polish is applied) "

I KNEW IT .

Strictly a descriptive phrase. Don't use make-up, lipstick or nail polish! Unless you count pedicures.   

[Spark Master]

From old literature: In a spring piston airgun the pellet must remain in place at the breech taper until sufficient pressure builds to release/accelerate it toward the muzzle. Seating them past this point may reduce velocity and accuracy.

http://www.arld1.com/images/swfs/pistonpelletdynamics.swf

Thanks fer the link, it was informative. I am a newbie and I put mine in flush with the break barrel, but some go in further.  1/8 inch. I wonder how far in people here mean when the say they seat it in more then flush.

tnx again for the post

[Hoosier Daddy]

While I have an original Beeman Pellseat, I think the old stereo plugs work better.
If you look around the house you wilkl find one:

Heyyyyy.
I got a couple of those.
THANKS

[Frank in Fairfield]

I found some mre today.
They are perfect and look good, too!

[Underdog]

if you deep seated a pellet, and, the gun detonated, you didn't have enough back pressure to keep it from doing so. the same scenario can occur with a pellet that is too light for the power that the gun is capable of.
 same as if your gun is dieseling heavily, to the point of detonating, you use a heavier pellet to keep the piston from accelerating as quickly. this keeps the temperature inside the compression tube lower, thereby preventing detonation.
make sense?

No. I'm not getting it.
Back pressure is the pressure between the piston and the pellet, yes? So if the pellet is seated too far, or is too light, the pressure doesn't build up as much as it needs to? Why does that make it detonate? I would think detonation would be caused by higher, not lower, pressure...

[Spark Master]

if you deep seated a pellet, and, the gun detonated, you didn't have enough back pressure to keep it from doing so. the same scenario can occur with a pellet that is too light for the power that the gun is capable of.
 same as if your gun is dieseling heavily, to the point of detonating, you use a heavier pellet to keep the piston from accelerating as quickly. this keeps the temperature inside the compression tube lower, thereby preventing detonation.
make sense?

No. I'm not getting it.
Back pressure is the pressure between the piston and the pellet, yes? So if the pellet is seated too far, or is too light, the pressure doesn't build up as much as it needs to? Why does that make it detonate? I would think detonation would be caused by higher, not lower, pressure...

I gotta rethink that whole concept as well. If the pellet is seat flush the air is compressed more in the first micro seconds and the more it compresses the better chance of detonation. I have a Fire Piston and it works by maintaing a near air tight seal and compressing the piston in the chamber, igniting the tinder. Mr Diesel Knew about these devices as he saw them demonstrated. They were quickly supplanted by stick matches. Safety matches were newly developed and worked so well people stopped using steel/flint, and firepistons never took root. They are very cool, I feel the work best with true tinder fungus, vs char cloth. Once you get the hang of it, they work flawlessly, but the new cerium rods are still easier. 

So if adding a weightier pellet to the mix it should diesel more not less. Seating the pellet deeper and a lighter pellet should give you less ignitions.

weird science

[Shaky Shooter]

I didn't know or think about using something to seat a pellet inside the breach of a break barrel. Though you push the pellet in with your finger. There is still a good chance that the o-ring could get chewed up when you close the breach. Using a tool of some kind to recess the pellet inside the barrel just a little bit could save that seal. But also as mentioned you don't want to push it to far either. Though I do have a few old batteries feel that it might insert the pellet to much.  So the next time I go to the shooting range I will try one of the few audio adapters I have laying around. Thanks for the info.

[Slavia]

I don't think it's so much an issue of chewing up the breech seal as mangling the pellet.  Most break barrels have the seal in the breech face, so a protruding skirt would only wipe against the metal around the transfer port.  Not all, though - I have a Gamo with the seal around the transfer port.  In that case, yes, there is the potential for a protruding pellet to damage the seal.

I read somewhere that pellets should be seated no more than 0.050" past flush with the breech face.  (I wish I could find the link.)  I'm guessing that the tapered nose of a 1/4" phone plug is probably somewhere in that realm.  My seating tools are adjustable (see photo above).  I made a feeler gauge from a scrap that fortuitously measured 0.048", and if the pellet wobbles around on the tool's probe (with gauge) then it will seat too deep.

But, like I said before, that's adding another step to an already fiddly process.  Sometimes I have the patience and sometimes not. 

[RobertMcC]

Are those pellet pens any good?

[Bicycleman]

Rick Euster swears by them.  He always has one hanging around his neck when doing his TV shows. 

[RobertMcC]

Rick Euster swears by them.  He always has one hanging around his neck when doing his TV shows.

Thanks, I wanted one for hunting so I can load faster.

[PEngineer]

I like the audio connector better than the ball bearing and ball end door hinge pin I have used.  The ball bearing is slippery and tends to roll away and hide.  The hinge pin is easier to handle but heavy.  Being steel, both have the risk of damaging the barrel.  Ideally the seater should be of a material softer than steel but harder than the pellet.  Brass is a good choice and that audio connector appears to be brass. 
I found I have one. Its .25 inch diameter so should work for .22 and smaller pellets.

[Frank in Fairfield]

Gifford,
Since I made that suggestion I have found four of them in the house.
I keep them in my range box for when someone needs them.
I have a Beeman PellSeat.
But, I strickly PCP for 2016.

I shoot at Diablo (Concord, CA), Sacramento (Ione, CA) and Yolo (Winters, CA).

If anyone needs one let me know....

[GETTEM]

This battery idea sounds good to me.  I'm going to try it on my  springers.  However, I can see how this would not make Rube Goldberg fans happy.

BE SAFE
HAVE FUN

CHEERS

[RobertMcC]

I ended up getting a Air Venturi 18 shot pellet pen for 10CAD.