Is a 22 cal. springer more difficult to shoot accurately than .177 cal?

[nced]

Depends on the gun...
Hw 80 & 90 and Diana 54 are easier to shoot accurate in .22 than .177
My opinion and only

I have no first hand experience shooting either gun you mentioned, however I would have to agree on principle simply because it wouldn't seem to be a good thing to squish all that receiver swept volume through a relatively small hole pushing a .177 cal pellet with such a stiff coil spring! Seems to me that the fatter cals would be better suited to those honkin large/heavy piston guns!

My R1/HW80 .177 only shoots 875FPS and has very good accuracy. Then again she will visit the spa when my FWB returns home.

Oooooo....a nice docile tune level for sure! With the weight of your R1 and that tune level, it must be a joy to shoot!

[Booger]

Depends on the gun...
Hw 80 & 90 and Diana 54 are easier to shoot accurate in .22 than .177
My opinion and only

I have no first hand experience shooting either gun you mentioned, however I would have to agree on principle simply because it wouldn't seem to be a good thing to squish all that receiver swept volume through a relatively small hole pushing a .177 cal pellet with such a stiff coil spring! Seems to me that the fatter cals would be better suited to those honkin large/heavy piston guns!

My R1/HW80 .177 only shoots 875FPS and has very good accuracy. Then again she will visit the spa when my FWB returns home.

Oooooo....a nice docile tune level for sure! With the weight of your R1 and that tune level, it must be a joy to shoot!

She is a (Santa Rosa) 30 year old R1. I am kinda hoping after new seals and orings she will do the 900~950 range.

[Tomcat]

One other question did you smooth and polish the spring ends when you lubed the rifle because this makes a difference also and a small dab of moly or ultimox will significantly reduce torque when you fire the rifle

Yes, I did polish the spring ends along with the other deburring.  I can't remember if the TX had a steel tophat, but if it did, I replaced it with delrin along with the new snug spring guide.  The shot cycle seems very nice IMO, but I'm no expert by any means.

Oh, I also shimmed the cocking shoe forward to eliminate impact on it when firing.  The trigger is just great, probably the best I own.  The rifle is most likely fine, I just find it more difficult to shoot accurately than my .177's.

[Tomcat]

Having shot a .22 and .177 R9, I find it substantially easier to maintain groups with the .177 for all the reasons Scott mentioned.

Thanks,  that is what I am finding also.

[Tomcat]

Depends on the gun...
Hw 80 & 90 and Diana 54 are easier to shoot accurate in .22 than .177
My opinion and only

Thanks Kostas, I'm sure there will be individual rifles that will behave differently.  Thank you for the input.

[joek]

.22 is easier for me to shoot accurately in my mid to high power springers.

[Sfttailrdr46]

  That could be it I started with a Gamo Whisper and once I was able to clean deburr and CDT trigger along with a lube she became a decent shooter at 25 yards  out to 35 or 40. Then I went to the D460 .177 magnum springer so I had a very steep learning curve or I would have looked for a suitable tree to bend them around . The good news is I am now a much better shot than I was 2 years ago

[Tomcat]

.22 is easier for me to shoot accurately in my mid to high power springers.

That's interesting and opposite the experience I'm having.  I only have the one 22 cal springer, and a Crosman Co2 in 22 cal. Oh, and a couple Co2 pistols.

[Tomcat]

That could be it I started with a Gamo Whisper and once I was able to clean deburr and CDT trigger along with a lube she became a decent shooter at 25 yards  out to 35 or 40. Then I went to the D460 .177 magnum springer so I had a very steep learning curve or I would have looked for a suitable tree to bend them around . The good news is I am now a much better shot than I was 2 years ago

I haven't ruled out me as the only problem here.  I have good days and bad days shooting.  I was in the basement just a little while ago, and noticed I was having problems focusing on the target.  I had to keep adjusting the objective lens from time to time.  Getting old is not fun, but better than not getting old .

[Sfttailrdr46]

  many of us that have passed a certain age are much happier looking at blurry green grass than fuzzy brown roots

[Tomcat]

many of us that have passed a certain age are much happier looking at blurry green grass than fuzzy brown roots

Haha! I fully agree.

[Blue]

I just got curious and since I have an Airhawk in .177 and a Blackhawk Elite - now wearing wood and a shortened .22 barrel, I thought I'd see how different they were.

Both were given the same basic home tune per CDT general springer tuning info using Maccari lubes and new piston seals.  The Airhawk is stock except for a new spring (wore the first one out, still have it, it was only shooting around 500 FPS when I replaced it but it shot beautifully) and seal from ARH.  The Blackhawk Elite got a wood stock and .22 barrel (from FDAR) as well as a new seal from ARH.  5" was taken off the barrel and 2" off the back of the stock, it's a little short so I'm about to add a recoil pad to gain back an inch.  Both got their stock scopes replaced.

I can feel that they're different, I just can't quite put my finger on what it is.  I'm partial to the .22 carbine.  It handles so much better being more compact.  Rested, again I'm going with the BHE.  Maybe I did a better job with it's tune, it has a better trigger and a smoother cycle.

Both put out roughly the same energy.  The Airhawk shoots RWS Superdomes (8.3gr) at 832 FPS for 12.8 FPE, the BHE shoots RWS Superdomes (14.5gr) at 634 FPS for 13 FPE.

I like the .22 for now, I can't say it's more accurate but between the two springers I have it's easier to shoot, easier to handle the pellets too.

Here's a target I shot today.  10 meters, sitting, rested, hand between front rest and stock, elbows on the table, stock held to shoulder.  I've shot better groups but for the quick comparison, it'll work.  5 groups of 5 for each, Airhawk on top Blackhawk on bottom.

Blue

Edit: forgot to list distance to target

[Tomcat]

I just got curious and since I have an Airhawk in .177 and a Blackhawk Elite - now wearing wood and a shortened .22 barrel, I thought I'd see how different they were.

Both were given the same basic home tune per CDT general springer tuning info using Maccari lubes and new piston seals.  The Airhawk is stock except for a new spring (wore the first one out, still have it, it was only shooting around 500 FPS when I replaced it but it shot beautifully) and seal from ARH.  The Blackhawk Elite got a wood stock and .22 barrel (from FDAR) as well as a new seal from ARH.  5" was taken off the barrel and 2" off the back of the stock, it's a little short so I'm about to add a recoil pad to gain back an inch.  Both got their stock scopes replaced.

I can feel that they're different, I just can't quite put my finger on what it is.  I'm partial to the .22 carbine.  It handles so much better being more compact.  Rested, again I'm going with the BHE.  Maybe I did a better job with it's tune, it has a better trigger and a smoother cycle.

Both put out roughly the same energy.  The Airhawk shoots RWS Superdomes (8.3gr) at 832 FPS for 12.8 FPE, the BHE shoots RWS Superdomes (14.5gr) at 634 FPS for 13 FPE.

I like the .22 for now, I can't say it's more accurate but between the two springers I have it's easier to shoot, easier to handle the pellets too.

Here's a target I shot today.  10 meters, sitting, rested, hand between front rest and stock, elbows on the table, stock held to shoulder.  I've shot better groups but for the quick comparison, it'll work.  5 groups of 5 for each, Airhawk on top Blackhawk on bottom.

Blue

Edit: forgot to list distance to target

Thanks for sharing your results.  Looks like both are doing equally well for you.  I like the carbine length rifles also.  Have never been a fan of long guns.