I'm in the market for a new scope & need your input

[Mod90]

to help me decide between either this

http://www.barska.com/Sniper_Scope-10-40x50_IR_2nd_Generation_Sniper_Scope_by_Barska_1.html

or this

http://www.leapers.com/prod_detail.php?mitem=optic&level1=Parallax_Adjustable&level2=SWAT_AO&itemno=SCP3-UG6245AOIEW&status=&mtrack=2m1

anyone ever used either or both of these units? Looking for pro's & cons on both

[grobe1458]

I have three of the barska's in question and they work fine by me, clear sharp image even at 10 yards and out to 100. clicks solid, turrets return to zero.
pro's, less expensive as some brands, works more than well enough for what I do. any time I pick up any of the rifles with this scope I know exactly where poi will be and it does not change.
con's, I'm sure some will voice some, but for what I do and how I use them I've not had any issues or experienced what one might consider a deficit.
it's on my R10, hw100, and air ranger. when I buy another fx and daystate I'll most likely will put one on them also.



currently on amazon for $169.00

can't speak on the other.

[Mod90]

Thanks for the feedback Grady.
I was leaning towards the Barska unit  cuz it appeared it was good value for the price

[Tyrantblade]

I think for most people Barska is a name to avoid, whereas Leapers is one that is probably within the top 10 brands of scopes for most of us.

So I would recommend the Leapers of the two as would most people here.

They are just clear, good, reliable optics at a good price.

[Sandspike]

Just my 2 cents. I do not know Barska but I have two UTG/leapers scopes that I like.
Do the barska knobs lock. If so do they unlock easily or require a tool. Leapers have a great knurled ring at the base of the knobs that unlock an lock to prevent accidental changes in POI. Also with a hex key you can zero the knobs.

Do you want a Side Wheel on your side parallax adjustment. Leapers has them in 3 sizes up to 100mm. I have an 80 on one rifle and 100 on another and they are very useful. I didn't see them offered for Barska.

My Leapers came with the mounting rings included and they are heavy duty and good looking.

Just a couple things to ponder.

[farmerjoe99]

Depending on what you are looking for in the glass
(illuminated reticle etc.)
You might want to consider the Hawke varmint 6-24x44
on sale at Bud'sgunshop(and yes Optics-planet will price match them )
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/712005148
I haven't gotten to mount and test mine yet but so far I'm impressed with how
clear and smooth the power and focus adjustments are.
I also like it because I don't really use the illuminated reticule
so its one less extra gadget on my scope and that much less weight
speaking of which it is a very light scope as well.

One possible downside is there is no factory wheel for it...
I'm looking at making my own for it in the near future.
Joseph

[Mod90]

IR would be nice. This optic will be pulling some night duties occasionally.
Looking to keep the budget low, below $175
I don't really care about weight
Sidewheel really isn't mandatory for me.
Application is for taking shots at targets of varying sizes between 2" to 4" with a .177 as far away as 150-200 yards, so more mag will be a definite help. Also will be used on the occasional field hunting outing.

Hawke is nice, but Hawke is costly & the Missus put me on a budget. If I go over budget, there's no wi-fi in the kennels, so you guys may not hear from me for a while 

[Laz]

I have experience with a Barska Ridgeline 6-24x44mm. I think it was better than the Leapers I had in the same price range.

Thinner, more usable reticle, and lighter than a 4-16x40mm Leapers ( ).

Only downside to me was its a 1/8th MOA scope.

Between the two brands, I'd choose Barska.

I also think if grobe1458 intentionally puts Barska exclusively on his premium rifles, they must have something going for them.

Barska has a very nice line up of scopes as well. Use to dream of their higher end scopes until I finally got my ultimate dream scopes, the Sidewinders.

[farmerjoe99]

If you order from Optics planet I have some coupons you might be able to use
one is for $15 off $150 and the other is for $20 off $200
Let me know if you could use one
I doubt I'll be buying anything that big for a little while...
(just spent a bunch of $$$)
Send me a PM if you want the code
Joseph

[ToRmEnToR]

PCP only... then

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/962234/bsa-tactical-mil-dot-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-6-24x-44mm-side-focus-glass-etched-mil-dot-reticle-matte

[condor22]

" This optic will be pulling some night duties occasionally."

 The Barfska starting at 10x for night hunting would be a bad choice.  You'll be needing the largest objective you can acquire with low magnification for the widest brightest field of view.   

 If you have a 10x or more, have you tried high magnification for night hunting. Most likely 40x will be totally worthless, you really should look through one before committing. If you put a terd on your rifle, it's still just a terd and stinks just the same. 

 If you do plan night hunting the Leapers UTG would be the better choice, but still lower magnification would produce a brighter sight picture for 'night hunting'. Be aware that high magnification 10-40x in the $200 range will be dark and darker as magnification increases, adding this to low light, will not get the results you seek.  Most have never tried night hunting with a rifle scope and have no clue.

 Good luck in your choice and choose a retailer you can make a return. You may get a perfect scope and just not like it. 

$$168.94 If price is the deal maker, here is a good one. Never had any problems returning to Amazon 

[Mod90]

Sound advice condor22 & I've taken those issues into account.
Fact is that when I say occasional night duty, I mean that the scope will be used for activities after dark yes, but i make it a personal point to have sufficient light when shooting at night. Its going to be mounted on a gun with a light that can throw a beam well past 100 yards, & I make it a habit to illuminate the area i'll be hunting beforehand. What helps also is that I generally don't stalk at night. I just post up set up bait & then wait, usually at 50 yards or more away. With 10x, at 50-80 yards I most likely won't need to increase the magnification at all when my target arrives.

But as I did mention, this units primary use will be for 2"-4" targets at long range. If need be I've got other optics I can swap for closer more detailed shooting.

Also I have used scopes with magnification as high as 20x at night before & I don't find it difficult to locate a target with high magnification. Far as I can tell the key points to watch re light gathering capabilities would be objective size, tube diameter & exit pupil diameter. So far from the Barskas specs it shouldn't be a problem.

& budget isn't the dealmaker her either. But it doesn't hurt that its not too expensive.

[condor22]

 My bad, I assumed moonlight, a spotlight would change the playing field in favor of the Barska.

[Tyrantblade]

http://www.eabco.net/Sidewinder-30_c_2704.html

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/712005172/hawke_sidewinder_65-20x_30mm_12_mil_dot_ir

Awesome price on a hawke sidewinder if you don't mind a 42mm objective.

If you don't mind paying more E Arthur Brown  (EAB co for short) has sales on the whole sidewinder range, could also quote one of them and do SWFA 110% price match  (10% less)

Just giving options since you say you can stretch the budget.

.

[grobe1458]

IR would be nice. This optic will be pulling some night duties occasionally.
Looking to keep the budget low, below $175
I don't really care about weight
Sidewheel really isn't mandatory for me.
Application is for taking shots at targets of varying sizes between 2" to 4" with a .177 as far away as 150-200 yards, so more mag will be a definite help. Also will be used on the occasional field hunting outing.

Hawke is nice, but Hawke is costly & the Missus put me on a budget. If I go over budget, there's no wi-fi in the kennels, so you guys may not hear from me for a while 

I've shot at dusk during our funshoots and could see the 1" bell target and hit it more than naught, when shooting in my back yard after dusk but not dark I could put pellet on paper at 10 up to 24x+ as for 40x I can't honestly recall what the image quality was like as I've rarely went that high. (having it and not needing it rather than needing it and not having it) been there with many a scope.
so just out of curiosity I turned on the back lights, went over to my den and looked out at my pool heater (15-20 yards away), I could clearly make out the equipment and the pentair label at 10x then zoomed in at 24x still able to make out the pentair label (it was dim but enough ambient light to where I could've tagged out the center of each letter). then focused on my far neighbors back lights (167+ yards away) on 10x and had a clearly definable view of the light fixture and the tree branches in front of it. everything between forget it, couldn't make out the solar panels, barely made out the soccer goal post.
now I did attempt to use my cam to take scope view pics but neither of the two gave a bright enough image through the scope.
now I didn't go up to the higher power because I don't have enough time and I was standing, the daystate is not a light rifle and it's cold.
if you don't have some type of light source on the target no scope except night vision will give you a good image. even a clear night with a full moon will not be enough for most scopes, I know cause I tried it and not just with barska's.
I'm not going to get into a debate of good or bad, my sig speaks for itself and it's obvious I don't shy away from that fact.

just so you know what I was looking at.
just ran electric to my shed to install exterior lights so I'll have a few bait stations between 20-80 yards from my den's back door

[condor22]

IR would be nice. This optic will be pulling some night duties occasionally.
Looking to keep the budget low, below $175
I don't really care about weight
Sidewheel really isn't mandatory for me.
Application is for taking shots at targets of varying sizes between 2" to 4" with a .177 as far away as 150-200 yards, so more mag will be a definite help. Also will be used on the occasional field hunting outing.

Hawke is nice, but Hawke is costly & the Missus put me on a budget. If I go over budget, there's no wi-fi in the kennels, so you guys may not hear from me for a while 

I've shot at dusk during our funshoots and could see the 1" bell target and hit it more than naught, when shooting in my back yard after dusk but not dark I could put pellet on paper at 10 up to 24x+ as for 40x I can't honestly recall what the image quality was like as I've rarely went that high. (having it and not needing it rather than needing it and not having it) been there with many a scope.
so just out of curiosity I turned on the back lights, went over to my den and looked out at my pool heater (15-20 yards away), I could clearly make out the equipment and the pentair label at 10x then zoomed in at 24x still able to make out the pentair label (it was dim but enough ambient light to where I could've tagged out the center of each letter). then focused on my far neighbors back lights (167+ yards away) on 10x and had a clearly definable view of the light fixture and the tree branches in front of it. everything between forget it, couldn't make out the solar panels, barely made out the soccer goal post.
now I did attempt to use my cam to take scope view pics but neither of the two gave a bright enough image through the scope.
now I didn't go up to the higher power because I don't have enough time and I was standing, the daystate is not a light rifle and it's cold.
if you don't have some type of light source on the target no scope except night vision will give you a good image. even a clear night with a full moon will not be enough for most scopes, I know cause I tried it and not just with barska's.
I'm not going to get into a debate of good or bad, my sig speaks for itself and it's obvious I don't shy away from that fact.

just so you know what I was looking at.
just ran electric to my shed to install exterior lights so I'll have a few bait stations between 20-80 yards from my den's back door

 Why don't you just admit the sight picture is worthless at 40x, very dark, with no contrast. 

[grobe1458]

I have no intentions on debating you on something I own and use compared to only what you have read, you obviously have a ax to grind and it's a waste of my time to deal with someone like you. I'm still amazed how someone can discredit something that someone actually owns and uses.
I get it, you hate barska, I like barska, should be end of story right?
but to ease your curiosity, at 40x which i tried at 80 yards, I had a clear sharp picture, quite opposite of what you expressed.
it's one thing to read about something and another to actually own something and use it.
just out of curiosity, what all do you own other than the d34 and fixed power scope?
PS: FT. Bevoir or jersey fun shoot? if all you have is a springer, I'll use my hw77 or beeman rx you can choose. *LOL*

[condor22]

I have no intentions on debating you on something I own and use compared to only what you have read, you obviously have a ax to grind and it's a waste of my time to deal with someone like you. I'm still amazed how someone can discredit something that someone actually owns and uses.
I get it, you hate barska, I like barska, should be end of story right?
but to ease your curiosity, at 40x which i tried at 80 yards, I had a clear sharp picture, quite opposite of what you expressed.
it's one thing to read about something and another to actually own something and use it.
just out of curiosity, what all do you own other than the d34 and fixed power scope?
PS: FT. Bevoir or jersey fun shoot? if all you have is a springer, I'll use my hw77 or beeman rx you can choose. *LOL*

 Exactly the answer expected, I call BS on your sharp clear picture answer, remarkable memory recovery.

[grobe1458]

you need help. my statement was at dusk.

when shooting in my back yard after dusk but not dark I could put pellet on paper at 10 up to 24x+ as for 40x I can't honestly recall what the image quality was like as I've rarely went that high.

I clearly just went out earlier to view in low light.
normal daylight no issue sharp and clear

I notice you ignored my questions.*LOL*
what all do you own? (pics)
when do you accept my challenge.
kind of hard to accept the opinion of someone who has never owned much of what they speak about.

whatever you are trying to prove you are failing at it badly. also odd in this thread it was stated the barska was preferred over a utg but you seem to be fixated on me. that's not normal.
just move on. you got nothing. literally nothing

[Mod90]

Thanks for the insight Grady

I will be placing the order for that Barska later today