Author Topic: SUB MOA at 100 yards (Read 44069 times))

Charles Outdoors · « **Reply #120 on:** February 24, 2015, 03:31:19 PM »

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how a 1-5 mph crosswind can have much effect on a heavy pellet at say 50 yards. Something like a 31 grain .25 barracuda travelling at 950 - 1050 fps. The flight time is so short. I could see 15-20 mph wind causing 1/2 to maybe 1" at that range.

K.O. · « **Reply #121 on:** February 24, 2015, 03:51:50 PM »

A 15 mph crosswind would move it more than that imo 3"-4" by the time its 50 yards its down to about 750 fps

I do think H&N has been paying attention they are showing some new heavies for distance and knock down fpe...

Wonder when they will hit our U.S. shores....

I think in .177 a 1:15 barrel just might work for this one and the JSB Beast if I can get a pumper to chunk them fast enough...

http://www.hn-sport.de/en/products/air-gun-pellets/hunting-and-field-target/piledriver.html

the have a new name on the scene that implies long range accuracy....

http://www.hn-sport.de/en/products/air-gun-pellets/hunting-and-field-target/sniper-light.html

http://www.hn-sport.de/en/products/air-gun-pellets/hunting-and-field-target/sniper-medium.html

http://www.hn-sport.de/en/products/air-gun-pellets/hunting-and-field-target/sniper-magnum.html

rsterne · « **Reply #122 on:** February 24, 2015, 04:38:37 PM »

Those new "Sniper" pellets from H&N appear to be "aimed" straight at the "Exact" part of the market occupied by JSB.... *grin*....

Bob

nervoustrigger · « **Reply #123 on:** February 24, 2015, 04:48:29 PM »

Competition is a beautiful thing!

Charles Outdoors · « **Reply #124 on:** February 24, 2015, 07:24:44 PM »

I'm really liking H&N pellets. I fed almost full tin of pellets through the other day. All seated by thumb and not one felt tight or loose. All snugged in just right.

Bwalton · « **Reply #125 on:** February 24, 2015, 08:31:52 PM »

I came home straight from work to practice a little and to see how the gun responds to fill pressure, I have never in my life shot like this, this is my very first paper or card . I called Joe to buy some of the sheets that they use for bench rest.the conditions are67deg winds 12mph west 25yards. At the range it is 2.5 yards more, I only have 25 yards here at home. The high shoots are after I fill the gun. So I did start to adjust for it after refilling. I am going to shoot my second paper now and should be much better. The squares are just under an inch and the dots are .275

Bwalton · « **Reply #126 on:** February 24, 2015, 08:58:52 PM »

Here is my 2nd group or sheet, I had missed my refill point on shot number 13 and it changed my poi on my 1st shot after the refill, so I had to readjust from there. I am going to try to get out to the range at some point and do the 50yards.

michaelthomas · « **Reply #127 on:** February 24, 2015, 09:23:46 PM »

Baxter......good for you.

The BR targets have a 10 ring of .078", 9 ring of .315". You can basically shoot right on the middle of the 9 ring line (50/50) and still score a 10. The 2.5 yards extra will not make too much difference.

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=53530.0

Here is a BR practice target that I made. The 10 ring should be .078 when printed.....the rest of the rings are not the right size, but you probably won't need the other rings with an Open class gun. You just have to touch the 10 to score a 10. So basically.....if you touch it, you got a 10....if you didn't, you probably got a 9. Scoring is based on a .224" plugged hole.....and your .22 probably doesn't make .22" holes.....maybe .205". You get the idea.

Mike

Bwalton · « **Reply #128 on:** February 24, 2015, 09:27:04 PM »

Quote from: michaelthomas on February 24, 2015, 09:23:46 PM

Baxter......good for you.

The BR targets have a 10 ring of .078", 9 ring of .315". You can basically shoot right on the middle of the 9 ring line (50/50) and still score a 10. The 2.5 yards extra will not make too much difference.

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=53530.0

Here is a BR practice target that I made. The 10 ring should be .078 when printed.....the rest of the rings are not the right size, but you probably won't need the other rings with an Open class gun. You just have to touch the 10 to score a 10. So basically.....if you touch it, you got a 10....if you didn't, you probably got a 9. Scoring is based on a .224" plugged hole.....and your .22 probably doesn't make .22" holes.....maybe .205". You get the idea.

Mike

Im buying a 100 Targets from Joe

michaelthomas · « **Reply #129 on:** February 24, 2015, 09:35:30 PM »

You might see if you can pick up a plug from Joe, too. It will make scoring pretty easy and take out any guesswork.....he can give you some pointers on that, too.

Mike

Sfttailrdr46 · « **Reply #130 on:** February 24, 2015, 11:46:07 PM »

Nice shooting but

Bryan Heimann · « **Reply #131 on:** February 25, 2015, 12:20:17 AM »

I feel like any gun that can consistently yields around 1" at 50 yards from a bench is probably better than I am in the field. Funny thing about benching a springer though. Even a good springer on a bench is even better off-hand, even if you are not, lol. But I understand the bench rest obsession, it's great to hit a tiny target a long way away

K.O. · « **Reply #132 on:** February 25, 2015, 11:21:14 PM »

I sent a quick note to the guys at Pyramyd asking about the Sniper and Prometheus pellets. sadly this is the current state of affairs...

Hi Kirby,

We're sorry, but we currently do not have any information on the availability of those pellets. Once we get them, we will send an email to our subscribers.

Thank you,

Dan

Charles Outdoors · « **Reply #133 on:** February 26, 2015, 01:35:01 AM »

Quote from: K.O. on February 24, 2015, 03:51:50 PM

A 15 mph crosswind would move it more than that imo 3"-4" by the time its 50 yards its down to about 750 fps

I do think H&N has been paying attention they are showing some new heavies for distance and knock down fpe...

Wonder when they will hit our U.S. shores....

I think in .177 a 1:15 barrel just might work for this one and the JSB Beast if I can get a pumper to chunk them fast enough...

http://www.hn-sport.de/en/products/air-gun-pellets/hunting-and-field-target/piledriver.html

the have a new name on the scene that implies long range accuracy....

http://www.hn-sport.de/en/products/air-gun-pellets/hunting-and-field-target/sniper-light.html

http://www.hn-sport.de/en/products/air-gun-pellets/hunting-and-field-target/sniper-medium.html

http://www.hn-sport.de/en/products/air-gun-pellets/hunting-and-field-target/sniper-magnum.html

Once the weather straightens out I will test it out. Where I shoot almost always has either a north or south wind at 10-15 mph. I normally shoot from north to south but have plenty of room to shoot east to west. Been to long since I shot in a strong crosswind and it was mostly .177 &.22 cal cphp's in 15-20 fpe guns.

Nomadic Pirate · « **Reply #134 on:** February 27, 2015, 09:32:48 PM »

Quote from: Rimshot on February 19, 2015, 12:24:43 AM

While reading another post talking about moa. I have to ask the question is there an air rifle that can achieve sub moa at 100 yards. Years ago a dealer told me he had an AirForce PCP that could, and with a muzzel brake could make it back yard friendly.

So because the DA "aka domestic assistance, aka the bride, aka chief procurer, said because you have been working so hard you can get a new gun.

I then said this is my air rifle and this is my gun, this one is for throwing lead and this one is for fun. So I think I have been approved to buy a new air rifle because my gun doesn't need an upgrade.

Budget under $2500. I have air for pcp I own several. Requirements are sub moa at 100 yards or so, report level comparable to a rws 48 or less.

Thoughts ??

Far from being any kind of expert on the matter,
but I've been talking to several airgunners that do long range shooting with deep dedication and at the highest level,
this guys, sort/weight the pellets use the best guns and fine tune them to the purpose, use the most conducive and stable shooting positions, wind flags, only shoot in as close as perfect conditions as possible,.......the answer has been overwelmingly the exact same "yes I can get the occasional sub 1" group at 100 yards, no I can't do it consistently "

So, all I say is this, beware of anybody claiming they can do exactly that all day long, beware of someone claiming gun xxx will do it for you no problem.

This is just from a ton of info I gathered from solid, well known and respected long range dedicated target shooters.

Now go out there and buy a good gun of the well known High end Brands and start shooting,....the fun is in the challenge

Rimshot · « **Reply #135 on:** February 28, 2015, 01:07:56 AM »

I have been working hard as said in my originally post to buy a AG that could possibly shoot sub MOA at 100 yards, seems I returned to find that my post HAS BEEN HIJACK LMAOROFl... So if its not achievable what the next best thing in a PCP....

Rim

Kailua · « **Reply #136 on:** February 28, 2015, 01:25:44 AM »

Quote from: rsterne on February 19, 2015, 01:08:44 PM

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Using pellets for 100 yard shooting is like playing tennis with a nerf ball.
That's the best quote I have ever seen on this subject.... Is it POSSIBLE, yes?.... but it's 90% the shooter's ability to dope the wind unless it's dead calm.... If you expect to hold MOA by just holding on the bull, you will be sorely diasppoionted.... If you want to attempt it with pellets, why not get the gun that just won the Extreme Bench Rest.... The USFT in .30 cal from Tim @ Mac1 Airguns....

If you want to go bullets, with all the advantages of superior BC, you will need a custom PCP.... I would concentrate on .257 cal, (alternately .224 or .308 cal.) or the "new kid on the block" in airguns, the 7mm.... Set the gun up to shoot tethered on a regulator at 2900-3500 psi, from an 88 CF, 4500 psi SCBA tank, and you will have the ability to shoot 2-5 shots without the tether....

Bob

Bob always has excellent opinions. You might want to contact Mac1. JMO

William · « **Reply #137 on:** February 28, 2015, 02:34:46 AM »

Quote from: Rimshot on February 28, 2015, 01:07:56 AM

I have been working hard as said in my originally post to buy a AG that could possibly shoot sub MOA at 100 yards, seems I returned to find that my post HAS BEEN HIJACK LMAOROFl... So if its not achievable what the next best thing in a PCP....

Rim

My choice and depending on usage as to what caliber, in .25 cal. I would say these AG's would be a good choice. The Kalibr Gun Cricket in Rifle or bullpup, Daystate .22 or .25 cal. or the Rapid Air Weapons HM 1000x. Its a hard choice to make but there are Airguns that will perform very close to what you want! These are all repeaters and seem backyard friendly, not to mention very high quality!

William

grauhanen · « **Reply #138 on:** February 28, 2015, 06:44:27 AM »

Quote from: Rimshot on February 28, 2015, 01:07:56 AM

I have been working hard as said in my originally post to buy a AG that could possibly shoot sub MOA at 100 yards, seems I returned to find that my post HAS BEEN HIJACK LMAOROFl... So if its not achievable what the next best thing in a PCP....

Rim

Now that you're back on your feet, so to speak, go through the posts to glean some information. No one wants to rehash this again.

MicErs · « **Reply #139 on:** August 22, 2015, 11:46:26 PM »

Shooting sub MOA at 100 yards with an air rifle is like shooting a ten inch group at a thousand yards with a PB, sometimes it happens. Nobody is sure why. Most people call it luck.

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SUB MOA at 100 yards

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