SUB MOA at 100 yards

[Rimshot]

Thanks for the information. I only believed half of what that dealer said anyway. I understand the anomalies of accuracies. I have a .22 cal 1st gen marauder tuned for 30 shots average of 31 fpe and able to shoot ragged holes at 40 yards 1 inch groups at 60 yards off the bench with no wind its favorite pellet and hit 3 inch squares at 75 yards all day. (ie not moa)

I bought it new from that dealer years ago and only paid $420 bucks for it. So it sounds like between 60 and 100 yards the price can go up with diminishing returns and may not deliver the results consistently at any cost.

That being said whats the next best thing for the price maybe go semi auto.



Rimshot

[haertig]

100 yard sub MOA with a decent centerfire rifle is not terribly difficult (from a bench).  I can hold 0.6 MOA with my stock Howa .223 on a good day.  Most days I'm more like 1.5 MOA though.  I have a friend who is ex-Army sniper who can do 0.4 MOA with my Howa.  With a .22LR, pretty difficult I'd imagine, I've never even come close to sub MOA myself.  But I'm sure there are people who can.  I'm more like 2 MOA and above with .22LR.  With an air rifle, I can't even imagine!  I'd be lucky to even hit the 8" diameter outer ring at 100 yards!

Before spending so much money on an air rifle in hopes it would help you shoot sub MOA at 100 yards, I'd invest in a solid powder burner first, to see if sub MOA is something you can do routinely without problem.  If you can't consistently shoot sub MOA with a decent powder burner, spending 25 bazillion dollars on the best air rifle ever made still won't make you shoot sub MOA.  We would be talking a supreme elite level of air rifle marksmanship, that's for sure, if it's even possible at all.  An expensive rifle doesn't automatically give you that level of shooting ability.

[Nomadic Pirate]

100 yard sub MOA with a decent centerfire rifle is not terribly difficult (from a bench).  I can hold 0.6 MOA with my stock Howa .223 on a good day.  Most days I'm more like 1.5 MOA though.  I have a friend who is ex-Army sniper who can do 0.4 MOA with my Howa.  With a .22LR, pretty difficult I'd imagine, I've never even come close to sub MOA myself.  But I'm sure there are people who can.  I'm more like 2 MOA and above with .22LR.  With an air rifle, I can't even imagine!  I'd be lucky to even hit the 8" diameter outer ring at 100 yards!

Before spending so much money on an air rifle in hopes it would help you shoot sub MOA at 100 yards, I'd invest in a solid powder burner first, to see if sub MOA is something you can do routinely without problem.  If you can't consistently shoot sub MOA with a decent powder burner, spending 25 bazillion dollars on the best air rifle ever made still won't make you shoot sub MOA.  We would be talking a supreme elite level of air rifle marksmanship, that's for sure, if it's even possible at all.  An expensive rifle doesn't automatically give you that level of shooting ability.

Good post brother !!

[lillysdad621]

it would be interesting for some of us to shoot 50 yard groups with what we have, so then others can understand and visualize the difficulty of sub moa at 100. just with our best guns, if you can do over 50 yards, thats better. but when people start seen the reality of shooting an air rifle at those distances with any modicum of consistency, it will help them with standards and expectations.

[rsterne]

The CAF had a challenge a while ago, based on a previous rimfire challenge to submit a target with only 5 groups, no other holes on the paper and nothing covered up, where all five, 5-shot groups, from a bench, shot at 50 yards, were under 1/2" C-T-C (which is MOA).... There were very few ever managed it with a rimfire, and to make it easier to measure the groups the CAF just required that the entire group could be covered with a dime.... This means that with a .22 cal the group would be under 1/2" C-T-C.... Nobody succeeded....

Bob

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Like I have said before on other threads having the best equipment and ammo is only a part of the equation the rest is all shooter

[lillysdad621]

Nobody succeeded....

Still, if anyone has pics plz post them... a visual will set  (or adjust) people's expectations...

[rsterne]

Only successful targets (five, 5-shots groups inside a dime on one piece of paper) were to be posted, a couple of guys managed it at 35 yards, nobody further out....

Bob

[grauhanen]

Only successful targets (five, 5-shots groups inside a dime on one piece of paper) were to be posted, a couple of guys managed it at 35 yards, nobody further out....

Bob

As I recall, in the CAF shooting challenge the maximum successful distance was 40 yards.  No one succeeded at 50.

[rsterne]

Could be, I know that 50 was never achieved....

Bob

[Rimshot]

I have bolt action powder burners that I shoot moa right out of the box. There is no challenge for me to shoot powder burners.
The reason I got into air rifles is because I can shoot them on my 7 acres and not bother anyone. I shoot more than 15k rounds between 30 and 120 yards a summer being in MN not so much in the winter. So its not about spending big bucks on an air rifle on the hopes it makes be a better shot. Its an art more than a science and when have you purchased art that was cheap.

[grauhanen]

I have bolt action powder burners that I shoot moa right out of the box. There is no challenge for me to shoot powder burners.
The reason I got into air rifles is because I can shoot them on my 7 acres and not bother anyone. I shoot more than 15k rounds between 30 and 120 yards a summer being in MN not so much in the winter. So its not about spending big bucks on an air rifle on the hopes it makes be a better shot. Its an art more than a science and when have you purchased art that was cheap.

A lot of people shoot air rifles to help make them better shots.  But if you're finding "no challenge" to shoot PB's, then you are a great shot already.  A lot of people would envy you.

[ptpalpha]

I have bolt action powder burners that I shoot moa right out of the box. There is no challenge for me to shoot powder burners.

I'd be very interested in which bolt action pb's you have that shoot moa straight out of the box.  Not being snarky here...I'm in the market for a new one and your list would be help.  Shoot me a PM so we don't break the rules.
Thanks!
-Paul

[ptpalpha]

The CAF had a challenge a while ago, based on a previous rimfire challenge to submit a target with only 5 groups, no other holes on the paper and nothing covered up, where all five, 5-shot groups, from a bench, shot at 50 yards, were under 1/2" C-T-C (which is MOA).... There were very few ever managed it with a rimfire, and to make it easier to measure the groups the CAF just required that the entire group could be covered with a dime.... This means that with a .22 cal the group would be under 1/2" C-T-C.... Nobody succeeded....

Bob

At the risk of sounding like I have a bad case of hero worship, I'd bet Joe P. could do it with his HW98. 
I'm dead serious.

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Hope we can give it a try at the first Jersey Fun Shoot this spring that way there will be plenty of eye witnesses to confirm or torture the shooters who won't even try. I personally want to give it a go with my D460 .177 and my RX2 .20  It will be even better if I can shoot a couple of groups that set the bar a little higher for Joe 

[TheBullsEye]

This summer this will be my goal sub moa at 100 yards. Today i will try to shoot 1/2 at 50 yards. Got a shooting date today look for a post later for the details

[rsterne]

Please note, it's not uncommon to get the occasional group under 1/2" at 50 yards with an airgun, or a .22 rimfire.... The challenge is to do it five times in a row.... This started on a rimfire forum in a thread titled something like "So you can shoot 1/2" groups all day at 50 yards with your .22? - Prove it!".... I never read the original thread, nor was it my idea to bring the challenge over to airguns, my only suggestion was to score it by covering the groups with a dime for simplicity.... I also figured that this gave a slight advantage to .177 and disadvantage to .25 cal, compared to .22 cal.... but the larger caliber handles the wind better, generally, so it would level the playing field.... At the moment, I only have one rifle I could consider capable of doing this, my Hatsan AT-44S Long in .25 cal, but have not had the opportunity to try.... nor do I expect to be successful, even though I have several groups at 50 yards that I can cover with a dime.... Doing it 5 times in a row, on a single piece of paper, with no other holes or anything covering the page is the trick.... Like the original challenge.... "So you can do this all day, can you? - Prove it!"....

Bob

[BALLISTIC1]

Whether you can or whether can't, that is the question. If you don't try you will never know.....

I made targets this morning.... There is a foot of snow on the ground.

I have already shot a little today, I am going out to staple up the new targets in a little bit. 5 Bulls per page....

BRASS

Greg

[jeff76]

just get an accurate rifle and see what you CAN do.  then continuously challenge your previous best.  its that simple. 

can it be done.  sure its possible.  how many 5 shot groups in a row can you do it for?  say you can only do it once.  well then your next goal is to be able to do it twice. 

I think the real question that the op is asking is what is the most accurate air rifle at 100 yard?  and the answer is nobody really knows.  but bob's (rstern) suggestions about caliber and bullet shape would probably be a good place to start. 

[Motorhead]

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