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dyotat100 · « **Reply #60 on:** January 21, 2015, 07:24:25 AM »

I'm not that impressed with the numbers. That's why it has a 34" barrel. They went from making guns with a 24" to 34". It also looks really thin walled and that's why the double set screws to hold the barrel in. Not thick enough to dimple for the screws.

I guess I need to drop my .457 barrel in a frame and see what I can get.

PakProtector · « **Reply #61 on:** January 21, 2015, 10:21:50 AM »

Quote from: Bill G on January 21, 2015, 01:20:06 AM

Gentlemen! At this rate, they'll have lanyards and a crew by next year. The intro will be 2 days before the punkin chunkin contest and will be held at white sands missile range.

and it would be fed with filled and frozen punkins to avoid the inevitable Pie...

Watching the air cannons is fun; they are well up into the trans sonic zone by now, and stand in to define the term, 'Dump Shot'.
cheers,
Douglas

Nomadic Pirate · « **Reply #62 on:** January 21, 2015, 02:35:14 PM »

Quote from: dyotat100 on January 21, 2015, 07:24:25 AM

I'm not that impressed with the numbers. That's why it has a 34" barrel. They went from making guns with a 24" to 34". It also looks really thin walled and that's why the double set screws to hold the barrel in. Not thick enough to dimple for the screws.

I guess I need to drop my .457 barrel in a frame and see what I can get.

That was my thought exactly when I saw the numbers, 500 FPE sounds impressive but when looking at the FPE of the lighter bullets is wasn't so much,

what do you think the power loss would be by cutting the barrel back 8" ?

dyotat100 · « **Reply #63 on:** January 21, 2015, 02:55:52 PM »

At least 80 fps and maybe more with larger calibers.

LEE IN VA. · « **Reply #64 on:** January 21, 2015, 03:09:18 PM »

Tom Gaylord has an article on it and in another installment he is going to explain why it has such a long barrel.

YEMX · « **Reply #65 on:** January 21, 2015, 03:09:54 PM »

I was wondering when you'd catch wind of this Doug!!

454 Big Block Chevy · « **Reply #66 on:** January 21, 2015, 04:09:00 PM »

looks nice!! my question is what about a .357 barrel for condors, OR a .357 barrel for this texan? 1100 dollar price tag is not bad for the performance thats for sure!!! 500 FPE gun for 1100....

Bwalton · « **Reply #67 on:** January 21, 2015, 04:50:57 PM »

there is already a 4 page thread on it.

ToRmEnToR · « **Reply #68 on:** January 21, 2015, 04:52:05 PM »

I think 500FPE is about the limit at 3000 psi, so the barrel has to be long.. If it were 4500psi it would make more shot count/power, but I wouldn't even consider it.. Imagine out in the field trying to pump it to 4500..

It's long at 48" overall, but not seeming so after you consider that DQ is 44" and Yangers are 42".. Heck, the stoeger x50 is 50" long...

dyotat100 · « **Reply #69 on:** January 21, 2015, 05:15:48 PM »

With that long of a barrel I could see 600 fpe or more.

I will put together a setup and I know it will make at least that on 3000-3200 psi.

ToRmEnToR · « **Reply #70 on:** January 21, 2015, 05:27:01 PM »

I'm really wondering how many usable shots the AF is good for..

ShakySarge · « **Reply #71 on:** January 21, 2015, 07:13:24 PM »

Regardless of the 4 page thread on it I would like to see a .257 barrel for it myself!

Matt

PakProtector · « **Reply #72 on:** January 21, 2015, 07:17:43 PM »

Quote from: dyotat100 on January 21, 2015, 05:15:48 PM

With that long of a barrel I could see 600 fpe or more.

I will put together a setup and I know it will make at least that on 3000-3200 psi.

Fortunately the 250 bar tank is an easy swap. Given what y'all have done with 310 bar tanks on the smaller ones, I suspect there is not much to stop you from running more pressure...at which point it will come down to having enough hammer to open the valve.

From the 'Best of Bob' folder:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=57828.0

Looks like 600 FPE is available for a barrel that long...

at 3k psi that is.
cheers,
Douglas

ToRmEnToR · « **Reply #73 on:** January 21, 2015, 07:45:33 PM »

Quote from: PakProtector on January 21, 2015, 07:17:43 PM

Quote from: dyotat100 on January 21, 2015, 05:15:48 PM
With that long of a barrel I could see 600 fpe or more.

I will put together a setup and I know it will make at least that on 3000-3200 psi.

Fortunately the 250 bar tank is an easy swap. Given what y'all have done with 310 bar tanks on the smaller ones, I suspect there is not much to stop you from running more pressure...at which point it will come down to having enough hammer to open the valve.

From the 'Best of Bob' folder:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=57828.0

Looks like 600 FPE is available for a barrel that long... at 3k psi that is.
cheers,
Douglas

I hear ya, but wouldn't that just be a one shot deal at 600 FPE @ 3k psi?

rsterne · « **Reply #74 on:** January 21, 2015, 08:27:03 PM »

I would think that the 500 FPE with a 400 gr. bullet is a WFO first shot at 3000 psi, with decreasing velocity after that.... Otherwise, they would have claimed more FPE, I would think....

Bob

HillGSA · « **Reply #75 on:** January 21, 2015, 08:27:22 PM »

Quote from: PakProtector on January 19, 2015, 08:43:35 PM

I think the term 'production' is being defined in a rather special fashion. Certianly the Ranger XP and many of the Extreme stable can top 500 FPE. This one does do it from a 3000 psi fill...but I'd not bet too heavily on a shot string more than about 4 long at that energy...and more likely only three. Guess we need some of the bigger tanks put on...
cheers,
Douglas

Ok... I say you can do better... Get one of these things - and show them how it's REALLY done

jvanschoonhoven · « **Reply #76 on:** January 21, 2015, 10:54:31 PM »

I am in las vegas for shot show and stopped by the airforce booth and saw their new 45 cal air rifle with 500fpe they say it shoots under one inch at 50 yards but opens up to around 3 inchs at 100 yards.
Looks like a condor only longer. Think its about 8lbs but ill try and get more info on that tomorrow. They say 5 good shots from a fill. This one does not have any ajustments for hammer spring like the other models. They say its not ajustable at all but then told me that if you know what your doing you can tune it. It jist does not have the extrnal ajustment like the other rifles.

YEMX · « **Reply #77 on:** January 21, 2015, 11:36:48 PM »

So the power wheel cut out is there, but there's no power wheel? "Spring tension" wheel if you'd rather call it that. But that doesn't make any sense... Why even cut out a hole to access the wheel if you're not going to have adjustable power- Just don't machine a cut-out, like on the Edge, or UK guns...

KnifeMaker · « **Reply #78 on:** January 22, 2015, 01:11:30 AM »

Love the side lever cocking. Should be able to cock a fairly stiff spring with little effort.

What I would like to know, since they are using the same extrusion, why in heck did they remove so much material under the breach area AGAIN!!! Grrrr!!!

They could simply have left the metal there and given the frame a lot more strength. After all, frame flex has been the weak point of their gun from the beginning. And no matter how much you talk to them about it, they simply ignore this major issue.

What is left of the frame under the breach, is nothing more than a hollow, thin walled, three sided channel that houses the trigger group. There is really no excuse for it. They spend more machine time and money, for no other outcome than to weaken the frame. I really can't for the life of me figure out why they go the trouble to make the frame less than it is capable of being.
Still, if and when they send them out in .257, I would love to ring one out!
I would slap the 4500 psi tank on it and have at it. LOL!!!

Knife

dyotat100 · « **Reply #79 on:** January 22, 2015, 01:30:05 AM »

It would be a major disappointment in .257. The valve looks to be a standard valve so you would have condor performance and the only bump in power would be from the 34" barrel.

Smaller the bullet the harder it is to push.

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