Hatsan's .30 and .357 are out!

[cluny1973]

     Airgun Depot has them for $749.99. Will keep an eye out on this one, 90+ ft/lbs, 18-20 shot string with 41 extreme spread and accurate to 50 yards so far. Very excited to see what the others are coming out with.

[Nomadic Pirate]

At 1st Glance they seem a bit underpowered, big, Long and heavy.

We'll see when they get into people hands

[Rescue35]

Considering how much more power folks are getting out of the smaller calibers with a few simple mods. Im interested in seeing what these can do.

[Mod90]

Considering how much more power folks are getting out of the smaller calibers with a few simple mods. Im interested in seeing what these can do.

My train of thought exactly, a mod here, a tweak there, & most likely it's full potential would be realized

[PakProtector]

At 1st Glance they seem a bit underpowered, big, Long and heavy.

We'll see when they get into people hands

nah...seems like run-of-the-mill 30 and 357 pellet shooters these days...energy of the 357 is just like the RAW...LOL
cheers,
Douglas

[rsterne]

but a lot less money....

Bob

[Mod90]

Ain't that the truth Bob.

[cluny1973]

Not as nice looking as the RAW. Would like to know how nice or bad the trigger is

[microsalmo]

Hey guys.. I'm excited to see what they're all about too.  AGD suggested that they may be sending me one in .30.  If they do, I'll try to get us a video review done.

Steve

[Mod90]

Should be the same trigger iirc

[airgunwarriors]

Just thinking out loud here:

The .30 Hatsan is supposed to have room for tuning improvements, but sadly...not the case for the .35 model as its platform has been maxed out, according to a Air-Gun Expert. As with most tinkerers of air-guns though; if it can be done, they will find a way.

I agree with some of the others in that I find the .35 Hatsan to be under powered and will be very limited to shooting light in weight pellets, but I do feel that the .30 Hatsan has a lot of more potential if it in fact does have more room for improvements, which I'm sure it does, as you would most likely be bringing it up to the .35's power level.

Right now, the .30 is shooting the sub 45-grain pellets that are .46" in length or even shorter than that. Not quite sure if either one of these Hatsan big-bores will ever be able to shoot anything other than the lighter in weight pellets, due to length of projectile restrictions.?.

It just seems that too much emphasis was put on shot count over having some really serious 100+fpe knock-down power.

Also, isn't part of the fun of going big-bore being able to actually load and shoot rounds that provide some serious knockdown power and weight; something other than the traditional pellet?

Would have been awesome to have seen Hatsan approach the creation of a big-bore from the ground up or at least found a way to make whatever changes necessary to the existing platform they are working from (BT65), so that they could have achieved better big-bore air-rifle performance (100+fpe); like Air-Force has done with the creation of the Texan from their existing platform.

Hatsan .35 shooting JSB 81.2-grain= 702-fps

Hatsan .30 shooting JSB 44.79-grain= 859-fps...maybe that's o.k.?

Please correct me if I am missing something here.

Respectfully,

AGW.

p.s. I am a fan of Hatsan and their very affordable price points.

[rkr]

IMO we should be able to shoot pellets at around 900-930 fps to get reasonably flat trajectory. We also should be able to shoot cast bullets and even long ones at reasonable speed. Currently the Korean .357s are restricted to 12mm bullet length, Cricket round 11mm and Hatsan might have even shorter magazine. Personally I've tuned my .357 to shoot the longest bullets that fit the magazine at 900 fps. So far the Bulldog seems to be the only bigbore with magazine that allows shooting longer bullets but it is actually the first factory gun (current offering of bigbores with magazines) that was designed to be a bigbore air rifle. The problem is that all the other factory bigbores are just maxed out smallbore designs and that shows in the limited power and choice of ammo.

[Tofazfou]

Easy to make powerful.  Like most airguns.  They are going for shot count.

To me, it seems that someone somehow discovered that Korean barrels are mostly accurate at this NEW MAGICAL 700-720 fps range.  Plus you get shot count. For small bore stuff, it is 880-940 with everyone claiming 880 to be best.

For me though, it just kills me that big bores are being made out to shoot like a small bore.  Why spend MORE on lead if this is the new train of thought.  I would never buy a 100 fpe 357.

The 30 should bridge the gap between the 25 and the 357/9mm.  But once you get to 357/9mm, the power should be waaaaay up compared to the 30.  That's just me though

[Bwalton]

You hit the nail on the head, exactly how I feel, that's why the Hatsan .30 will be my last purchase from them...I'm looking else where for a .357 or larger

[airgunwarriors]

".45 or .357 by who don't know yet(will not be Hatsan)"

Bwalton, have you considered Sam Yang 909 .45 with a "medium tune" as Tofazfou has done with his .357/9mm Sam Yang Recluse and possibly replacing the barrel?

Thanks,

Al.
(AGW)

[Bwalton]

It has to be appealing to me also, I just do not like the look.

[Tofazfou]

BWALTON and TO ALL:

Now, i agree with many of you that the Korean Recluse and Dragon leave something to be desired when looking at it on paper (internet and magazine adds).  The 909 also.


A TRUE STORY!:

While i don't intend to change some of your minds, i must tell this short story.  I've always considered the SY Recluse, 909 and DragonClaw to be ugly.  But i had never laid eye on one in person.  My buddy some years ago bought a 909 and i asked him "what the #@%& for?".  Anyways, he got the gun and we met up for a jack rabbit hunt.  He brought the gun along for me to see.  At this point, i had completely forgot that he was getting that gun let alone bringing it.  So low and behold, he shows up with the gun and i ask him to "let me see that ugly arse thing".  He pulled it out and i felt like a complete Jack you know what cause the gun was 1000 times more beautiful in person than the pics.  After shooting it, i even told him that one day, i would not mind buying one of those guns.  This leads me to today.  I don't know whats up with any internet pic of that line of gun but, THE KOREAN GUNS ARE MUCH NICER LOOKING IN PERSON than what the pictures show.  My hunting buddy felt the same way when he received his.  He did not like the pictures but was curious as to how much he could mod it.  WE BOTH ENDED UP FEELING THE SAME WAY.  They are beautiful!

[Bwalton]

Well Ced, I had one in my person shot it, and still do not like them one bit, but thats just me. Have a large group that I shoot with I have been able to see and hold and shoot if I want, FX Bob cat, Rain Storm, Daystate wolverines, Mrod, I just dont like the wild wild west look even if I was given one I would pass it on. Now if they were to come with another design then I would look into to gun, Dont get me wrong I have heard nothing but good things about them, And I have nothing against the gun but the look. Just not me. I have also stated that I will not buy the Hatsan .0 until I can find a stock for it, I do not like the stock that it comes with, if I can get another Elite stock I can deal with that, but would not mind a custom thumb hole for it.

[cluny1973]

Just thinking out loud here:

The .30 Hatsan is supposed to have room for tuning improvements, but sadly...not the case for the .35 model as its platform has been maxed out, according to a Air-Gun Expert. As with most tinkerers of air-guns though; if it can be done, they will find a way.

I agree with some of the others in that I find the .35 Hatsan to be under powered and will be very limited to shooting light in weight pellets, but I do feel that the .30 Hatsan has a lot of more potential if it in fact does have more room for improvements, which I'm sure it does, as you would most likely be bringing it up to the .35's power level.

Right now, the .30 is shooting the sub 45-grain pellets that are .46" in length or even shorter than that. Not quite sure if either one of these Hatsan big-bores will ever be able to shoot anything other than the lighter in weight pellets, due to length of projectile restrictions.?.

It just seems that too much emphasis was put on shot count over having some really serious 100+fpe knock-down power.

Also, isn't part of the fun of going big-bore being able to actually load and shoot some cast boolits with some knock-down weight?

More power and a larger loading port would've been nice...for obvious reasons.

There's no doubt that I am missing something here, as I certainly feel that Hatsan has with the introduction of these two big-bores.

Hatsan .35 shooting JSB 81.2-grain= 702-fps

Hatsan .30 shooting JSB 44.79-grain= 859-fps...maybe that's o.k.?

Please correct me if I am missing something here.

Respectfully,

AGW.

p.s. I am a fan of Hatsan and their very affordable price points.

The Hatsan is shooting with the same power as my FX Boss. I get 870 fps with the light JSB .30 pellets. On the other end of the spectrum, the 50.15 JSB .30 shoot at 840 fps. Very similar to the Hatsan. Main difference is the price and features. The hatsan gets 21 shots in .30 while the Boss gets 45-50. The trigger on the Boss is super sensitive and both stages are fully adjustable which considerably adds to the accuracy of the gun. I don't have any info on the Hatsan's trigger. The main problem with the .30 cal is that I have not been able to find bullets in the correct size.
There are plenty of .308 but no .303 that I can find. Mr Hollowpoint casts bullets for the Boss and Wolvering but they are extremely expensive. Also, I don't think the smooth twist barrel on my Boss will like cast bullets, not enough spin to stabilize the projectile. Would love to know if someone has tried it. The .30 caliber is a geat caliber, good compromise between the .25 and the .357. Biggest problem is the lack of different ammo type. As the caliber becomes more popular, I expect to start seeing more offerings. The newest 9mm offerings are under powered to say the least. The RAW is only producing 100 fpe but can be set for higher power, although RAW says the rifle shoots best when set for 100 fpe. The Cricket gives you a bit more, 115 fpe but still on the low side. Wait for the  Ataman to arrive, should be more powerful. You get an average of 150 fpe from a stock bullpup/carbine. Check them out at www dot ataman-guns dot ru/ the website is Russian but you get a pretty good translation from Google translate. You can always get a 9mm Recluse and send it to Saddle Mountain which will make a powerful, inexpensive 9mm even more powerful. A brand new Recluse with a Piatt tune will run you about $900-$950.

[cluny1973]

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