regulator (( MY NEXT ADVENTURE ))

[William]

That would sure make things easier and less chance of a major disaster
jk

I personally think that with the FPS on some of your shots and the FPS that you will get at 1800 Regulated, I would just make sure you have the correct plenum and not touch anything else, mine (Disco) set at 1800 PSI is perfect, I can go just about any velocity I want using my hammer spring power adjuster, you can just use the power wheel, this will give you plenty of room for fine tuning different pellets. At most I would do is maybe later is put a stronger hammer spring in just to give it a little more power and you can fine tune with the power adjuster, but only if you need too.

Make sure you post back and let us know how everything is going.

Oh, did you say RL included a plenum? If so how big or how many CC's in volume is it?

William

[rsterne]

You should never need a stronger hammer spring when you install a regulator, in fact you are very likely going to have to reduce the preload, and possibly fit a weaker spring.... If you don't, you will almost always be wasting air....

Bob

[William]

You should never need a stronger hammer spring when you install a regulator, in fact you are very likely going to have to reduce the preload, and possibly fit a weaker spring.... If you don't, you will almost always be wasting air....

Bob

Thanks Bob,
I didn't realize that, glad you stepped in and straightened me out!

Now that I think about it it would indeed waste air due to holding the valve open too long, instead if pressurizing the plenum and stopping, it would keep trying to pressurize it as you were letting air out of the other end! It all makes a lot more sense now. Kind of like trying to fill a tire up to 32 lbs but you forgot to plug the hole in it after pulling out the nail! Guess that sounds right!

Thank you,
William

[Jking]

I think when you order the regulator with the known fpe that you want the plenum is sized accordingly. I was thinking if anything a lighter spring and maybe a hammer. I did that to my Mrod when I regged it.I ran my test to get the right pressure with the power adjuster wide open. Maybe I should have had it cut back a little for future adjustments.
Jimmy

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Ok then after reading your thread I realize we are both in the same situation nice rifle and relatively nervous about what needs to be done to achieve the best overall performance. I just ordered this item for my .25 and if it works and moves the curve to a higher fps and psi then a regulator will be next
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Air-Arms-s300-310-s400-410-510-FAC-ultra-high-flow-firing-pot-/141307078839?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item20e68ee8b7

[Nick_59]

I have a Regulator from Milo74 in my Double tube Disco
William

Does that plenum spacer bridge the gauge hole in the Disco tube? If so why does it not leak?

[William]

I have a Regulator from Milo74 in my Double tube Disco
William

Does that plenum spacer bridge the gauge hole in the Disco tube? If so why does it not leak?

It does not bridge the Gauge port, the gauge port stays where it is and it will show only regulated air pressure. In my Discovery the gauge port sets against my valve (some people think the gauge stem sets against the edge of the pressure tube, mine does not i checked to make sure) and the plenum sets against the gauge block then the regulator sets against the plenum.

All you need to do is make sure you have the correct plenum and the regulator set where you want at in PSI, then measure and make sure where the regulator is going to sit, once you do that then you will know where the breather hole needs drilled in the pressure tube for the regulator to breath (I think some regulators may not need a breather hole, but mine does). Once you figure all that out and double check to make sure, you slide the plenum down the tube from the muzzle end and then slide the regulator down on top of the plenum (make sure everything is lubed good like the Oring for sure) assemble the gun and fill it up, let it sit for 24 hours to check for leaks. I also while I was doing this removed the gauge block and made the air flow hole bigger to allow air to flow better and more of it. Doing this increased my FPS by about 20 to 30 FPS.

This procedure is for my Disco, other Airguns will of course be a little different on the installation!
Below is a pick that shows where the regulator sits in my Disco and where I drilled the breather hole! Yellow dotted line is the top of the plenum. Also the drilled hole in the air pressure tube does not have to line up exactly with the breather hole in the regulator, it just needs to be there at the same distance.

William

[Nick_59]

Thanks for clearing that up. It will be interesting to see how the op gets on. 

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Can you post a picture with the entire air tube showing the illustration is great otherwise. Thanks Don

[abslayer]

Thanks for clearing that up. It will be interesting to see how the op gets on.

O I think I will be fine as I have driven Mr. Lane nuts with questions that he has never failed to answer so I believe now it will be very easy now but time consuming adventure.
I will post once installed and tested.

[abslayer]

Here is 2 info packed PDF  files Rob sent me that you guys will fine to be a good read and have pictures also.

PDF file #1 Best Read This General, Part On Valve Tuning:
And
PDF file #2 Outlet Valve Spring - MOST IMPORTANT

Site does not allow me to post link so if you want these to PDF files PM me with your e-mail and I will att. and send them 2 you or you may be able to get them with a search on Lane info 

[William]

Can you post a picture with the entire air tube showing the illustration is great otherwise. Thanks Don

Don & everyone,
This is how the Regulator goes in a Disco or other Airgun, Everything in front of the regulator is High Pressure air, as well as the lower tube on the Disco Double Tube kit. The only place there is regulated air is in the Regulator, Plenum, Gauge Block and Valve.

On my regulator I have to have a breather hole so if you look at the second pic that will show you were it needs drilled & Deburred or it will cut O'rings while sliding in the parts. (Some Regulators don't need a Breather hole, so make sure if yours needs one or not, most will need it).

My Double tube Disco give me (depending on hammer load) 30 to 40 regulated shots, the Double Tube kit contains about 250cc of air, which 215cc is High pressure (depends on Plenum volume as well) and the rest in the Plenum, Gauge block and valve is regulated at 1800 PSI (thats what mine is set at) and the Gauge will only show you the pressure of the regulated air. This is just a very close estimate of air volume to give you an idea of how much is High Pressure and what is regulated pressure.

Also My Disco and Disco Double is modded for a 3000 PSI fill so I have 3000 PSI on the high pressure side.
Now if your Disco is NOT modded for the 3000 PSI fill, Do Not think you can fill it to 3000 PSI just because you have it regulated at a lower pressure. All the High Pressure Air is pushing all of those parts, Regulator, Plenum, Gauge Block and Valve, so if you do not change the Valve pinning screws from 8-32 to the High Strenght 10-32 screws they will not hold and could blow the valve and everything out the back of the gun hitting you, or worse exploding like a little bomb. So make sure everything is done right.

Ok done photo shopping 

Have a good day and I hope this helps you understand how it all works!

William

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Thanks sometimes I need to see something before the words become understandable for me. Now I will take the next step with greater confidence. Now when I do the teardown on the S510 it will not be as intimidating. I have only been playing with these things for a little over a year and a half and PCP for only 10 months

[William]

Thanks sometimes I need to see something before the words become understandable for me. Now I will take the next step with greater confidence. Now when I do the teardown on the S510 it will not be as intimidating. I have only been playing with these things for a little over a year and a half and PCP for only 10 months

Same for me too Don, sometimes I just throw the instructions away and keep the pics, I know we all have done it lol

I hate it when my wife buys something like an entertainment center and brings it home in 10 boxes,   

William

[abslayer]

Here is 2 info packed PDF  files Rob sent me that you guys will fine to be a good read and have pictures also.

PDF file #1 Best Read This General, Part On Valve Tuning:
And
PDF file #2 Outlet Valve Spring - MOST IMPORTANT

Site does not allow me to post link so if you want these to PDF files PM me with your e-mail and I will att. and send them 2 you or you may be able to get them with a search on Lane info

We got a problem can't e-mail them as they are 2 are over 20 MB
Will try one at a time may go through

[chiro972b]

Depending on the power of your rifle, the regulator won't be a straight drop in part.  Typically you will have to play with the spring, transfer port size, and a few other things.  I put my regulators in rifles that were 12 ftlbs and they were honestly a pain in the butt.

If you're shooting for 12 ft/lb you do, but in the AA FAC models it doesn't take more than you can do with the power adjuster. In fact, with the AA, there is very little else you can adjust. I get 80 regulated shots at 18+ ft/lb with an ES of about 10 fps. I did little else but install the reg.

is that with a RL? if so is your power wheel adjusted and not on full to get 18ft lbs?

Don't know how this thread went from a guy putting  a Robert Lane regulator in an Air Arms to a conversation about discos. On my s500, I simply put the regulator in per the instructions and ended up with my power adjuster at around 3/4 and it is perfect. 80 shots at around 18 fpe with around 10 fps ES.

[abslayer]

For those that asked I e-mailed the links to the PDF files let me know if you got it

[William]

Depending on the power of your rifle, the regulator won't be a straight drop in part.  Typically you will have to play with the spring, transfer port size, and a few other things.  I put my regulators in rifles that were 12 ftlbs and they were honestly a pain in the butt.

If you're shooting for 12 ft/lb you do, but in the AA FAC models it doesn't take more than you can do with the power adjuster. In fact, with the AA, there is very little else you can adjust. I get 80 regulated shots at 18+ ft/lb with an ES of about 10 fps. I did little else but install the reg.

is that with a RL? if so is your power wheel adjusted and not on full to get 18ft lbs?

Don't know how this thread went from a guy putting  a Robert Lane regulator in an Air Arms to a conversation about discos.

For your information the Disco was used as an example of how a regulator gets install on most air guns including the S500, S510 or even an Mrod. The gentlemen asked for info and how it works, due to the fact that I explained it using the Disco (which is all I have with a aftermarket regulator install) I decided it best to for them to know the do's and don'ts as well to be safe.

Not to be nasty or sound rude but if you would have followed the posting in this thread you would have realized that!

Besides if you had done one already why haven't you explained or given examples of how its done, you know, not everyone has the ability to just do things as easily as others!

Anything else!

Thank you, have a nice day!

William

[Jking]

Mel, any word on the delivery date of the regulator? I bet your getting ready. Looking forward to seeing the project through.
Jimmy

[chiro972b]

Depending on the power of your rifle, the regulator won't be a straight drop in part.  Typically you will have to play with the spring, transfer port size, and a few other things.  I put my regulators in rifles that were 12 ftlbs and they were honestly a pain in the butt.

If you're shooting for 12 ft/lb you do, but in the AA FAC models it doesn't take more than you can do with the power adjuster. In fact, with the AA, there is very little else you can adjust. I get 80 regulated shots at 18+ ft/lb with an ES of about 10 fps. I did little else but install the reg.

is that with a RL? if so is your power wheel adjusted and not on full to get 18ft lbs?

Don't know how this thread went from a guy putting  a Robert Lane regulator in an Air Arms to a conversation about discos.

For your information the Disco was used as an example of how a regulator gets install on most air guns including the S500, S510 or even an Mrod. The gentlemen asked for info and how it works, due to the fact that I explained it using the Disco (which is all I have with a aftermarket regulator install) I decided it best to for them to know the do's and don'ts as well to be safe.

Not to be nasty or sound rude but if you would have followed the posting in this thread you would have realized that!

Besides if you had done one already why haven't you explained or given examples of how its done, you know, not everyone has the ability to just do things as easily as others!

Anything else!

Thank you, have a nice day!

William

Hmmm, I did just that earlier if you happened to read the entire thread. Thanks for the nasty reply. Who micturated in your cornflakes this morning?