Author Topic: Millennium Pumper Production - The Beginning - And The Lousy End (Read 292460 times))

ezman604 · « **Reply #880 on:** January 16, 2016, 02:28:32 PM »

Wow....just wow.
I'm really speechless at the moment and THAT is rare for me.
I'll take a few moments to gather my thoughts and will handle a response in private.
Wow....really can't believe some of what I'm reading here.

TF89 · « **Reply #881 on:** January 16, 2016, 02:43:57 PM »

As someone with no stake in other than being a member of this forum. Let's please don't start throwing around things that can't be unsaid. I like that Mike is a forum member and also a vendor willing to put himself out there. I also really appreciate the forum moderators for the due diligence. Let things settle as this will all work out in the end.

Dave

Hanabata808 · « **Reply #882 on:** January 16, 2016, 04:15:51 PM »

Thanks for the pics Mike. They really are awesome! I didn't know you only do these updates with a phone.
Anyway, stay positive. There's a lot of Aloha in you and the folks here at GTA as well.
Peace brother.

Larry

Norm_m · « **Reply #883 on:** January 16, 2016, 04:37:16 PM »

Looking good Mike!

WOW doing all the updates and pictures using a phone!! I would have given up a long time ago.

Mike keep your chin up as the light at the end of the tunnel is now visible.

Norm

UCChris · « **Reply #884 on:** January 16, 2016, 05:39:21 PM »

Well, I'll be the first one to defend Mike. Most of the guys that do this type of thing, that is make custom items due to their love of the hobby, are not businessmen. They are simply people who love their hobbies so much that they want to bring a truly innovative and extreme precision product to the industry.

I have two hobbies that I am incredibly passionate about. One is airguns, obviously, and the other is folding knives. There are three "tiers" of folding knives. First is production knives. This would be the equivalent of ordering an airgun off of any online website. The second is mid-tech. This would be like the stuff that Jason does with the QB platform. The third is custom. These are handmade with no production line. This is what Mike has done with these airguns. They are truly custom. It may surprise some of you, but to get a truly custom knife, without buying it on the secondary market, you can wait up to 3-4 years just to get a knife made by your favorite maker. One of my closest friends has been on the waiting list for a custom knife for over two years now. It's just how custom stuff works.

Back_Roads · « **Reply #885 on:** January 16, 2016, 06:45:13 PM »

cnjl3 · « **Reply #886 on:** January 17, 2016, 12:00:49 PM »

Awesome picture update Mike! Sounds like you are nearing the end of this production.
I am interested because i'm pretty sure I would buy one even though you have stated that the next batch wouldn't be as customized as this batch. I will admit that I am disappointed that you have stated that you are out of pocket maybe like $300 for each rifle and I haven't seen one post that expressed an interest in helping you out monetarily. That is depressing. I like to think that Airgunners are a big family and you shouldn't let one of your family members suffer. There are different kinds of suffering. It is a two way street though. Please don't give up and please hang in there since you are almost finished. Folk like you who think outside the box should be treated like a treasure. Having the vision and ability to provide a custom product that is so unique is truly special. So don't let the nay sayers get under your skin. Keep up the good work/updates.

Carlos

rsterne · « **Reply #887 on:** January 17, 2016, 03:58:29 PM »

I can certainly understand Mike's frustration.... When he started this project, well over a year ago, I gave him the design, free of charge, no strings attached.... He got all excited and quoted a price before he really knew his costs (big mistake), and on top of that offered me a rifle from the first batch.... I hesitantly accepted, and we decided on a .25 and .30 dual caliber setup in a Pepper laminate stock, with no shroud because I live in Canada, as supression of any kind is not allowed here.... To help defray his cost, I arranged for Norm @ DiscosRUs to give Mike a stock for my gun, instead of taking delivery of a refurb Disco I had already paid Norm for.... so now I was into my "free" gun for $175.00.... still a heck of a deal, considering I never asked for anything to start with....

Fast forward to the middle of last year, and Jim, the machinist that Mike was using, had a Stroke, and was unable to continue.... Mike pressed on, determined to finish the first run of guns by himself, with some help from a few GTA members.... He's a busy guy, has a full time job, does volunteer Forest Fire Fighting in the summer, plus makes swaged airgun slugs on the side, and has only shipped one gun I am aware of, and is diligently trying to complete the rest, at the original price of $1200 (single caliber) which all those ordered paid a year ago.... I think for the most part, everyone has been extremely patient, and I must admit that I have felt sorry for Mike that others, who have nothing on the line here, have been quite rude to him in this thread, by demanding updates.... and NO, I'm not talking about our Mods, that is there job, to keep an eye on things and make sure nobody gets ripped off.... I haven't talked to Mike personally since Jim had the stroke, but it seems to me that he is trying his level best to honour the sales he has.... If there is any fault with Mike, it is that he hasn't kept his customers informed....

OK, so everyone's circumstances change over the course of more than a year.... At least one Millennium Pumper has been resold (at the original price) before delivery.... The intention in sending me a gun was that I would tune it and share all my results here on the GTA.... So, I get something for my design and prototype work (even though I didn't request it), and everyone benefits.... Now I am in the situation I would sooner have something else, that will benefit both me and the GTA, and that is a new LabRadar, which is a Doppler Radar Chronograph that I want to use to investigate the Ballistics Coefficients of pellets and bullets.... Not only that, but Mike is in the hole by a couple of grand, and could sure use another gun to sell (mine) to help recoup his costs.... He has NOT asked for my help, and he will be just as shocked as everyone else when I make this suggestion.... but here goes....

If the guys who have already bought Millennium Pumpers from Mike (or other GTA members, if they wish), want to purchase a LabRadar unit (with a couple of necessary accessories) and ship it to me, I will release the gun that Mike is making for me for resale, with him to keep the funds to defray his losses on this first run.... I'll still be out $175, but that will be pretty cheap for a LabRadar.... Others will be out whatever they decide to kick in to get the LadRadar unit, but I think everyone knows they will benefit in the end.... So, it's up to you guys, not me or Mike.... If you don't care that Mike has lost money, then just carry on and wait for your gun, that is entirely your right.... If you feel sorry for Mike, and feel like chipping in some money to buy me a LabRadar, with the result that Mike will have another gun (worth about $1500 with the two calibers) to sell to help bail him out, that's good too.... Here is what I want to release my Millennium Pumper back to Mike so that he can sell it to recoup his losses.... From the LabRadar sales website.... http://www.buymylabradar.com/

LabRadar Unit - $559.95
LabRadar Padded Case - $39.95
Bench Mount - $29.95
USB Rechargeable Battery Pack - $24.95
SD Card - 4G - $9.95
Airgun Trigger Adapter - $44.95
Airgun Bracket - $10.00
Shipping to me here in BC, Canada.... I will pay the GST and PST when it arrives (12%) plus the Customs clearance charges....

So, that will come to about $800 US funds, and it will have to be done as a pre-order because they are behind in delivery.... It's your call, guys.... I have nothing to lose either way.... I can wait until Mike is finished all the guns, take delivery of mine and then turn around and sell it and buy my LabRadar.... OR we can give Mike back some of the money he has lost as a group.... I think the GTA family will step up to the plate.... It's your call....

BTW, Mike, you still owe me those two Valves I paid for a year ago.... (they were to be shipped with my gun)....

Bob

With no response forthcoming from Mike in over 2 weeks, in all fairness to him, and not wanting to put any further pressure on him.... I have withdrawn this offer....
Thanks to those of you who thought it was a good idea.... but apparently it was not in the cards....

Bob

bnowlin · « **Reply #888 on:** January 17, 2016, 04:28:51 PM »

Bob,
Have you already pre ordered the setup? Cause they have already sold out and taking preorders for the spring. I want to be on it for you, it won't be much, but maybe a start. How do we get it to you etc. I think you, although you make my head hurt at times,

are one of the best assets to this community. So I say set it up and let's go guys. BTW Bob they said credit card would not be charged till shipped, I really don't care for that but I want to help you but not have my card waiting if there is a way.
Bob Nowlin

Sfttailrdr46 · « **Reply #889 on:** January 17, 2016, 04:38:05 PM »

Quote from: bnowlin on January 17, 2016, 04:28:51 PM

Bob,
Have you already pre ordered the setup? Cause they have already sold out and taking preorders for the spring. I want to be on it for you, it won't be much, but maybe a start. How do we get it to you etc. I think you, although you make my head hurt at times, are one of the best assets to this community. So I say set it up and let's go guys. BTW Bob they said credit card would not be charged till shipped, I really don't care for that but I want to help you but not have my card waiting if there is a way.
Bob Nowlin

Set up a paypal account and I will send $10 for the cause of the Labdar

rsterne · « **Reply #890 on:** January 17, 2016, 04:53:11 PM »

Before I set up anything, let's see what the response is like....

Bob

Gertrude · « **Reply #891 on:** January 17, 2016, 04:57:15 PM »

Quote from: sfttailrdr46 on January 17, 2016, 04:38:05 PM

Quote from: bnowlin on January 17, 2016, 04:28:51 PM
Bob,
Have you already pre ordered the setup? Cause they have already sold out and taking preorders for the spring. I want to be on it for you, it won't be much, but maybe a start. How do we get it to you etc. I think you, although you make my head hurt at times, are one of the best assets to this community. So I say set it up and let's go guys. BTW Bob they said credit card would not be charged till shipped, I really don't care for that but I want to help you but not have my card waiting if there is a way.
Bob Nowlin
Set up a paypal account and I will send $10 for the cause of the Labdar

X2
Set up a PayPal account Bob, and I'll pledge $25 to the cause.
I may only grasp a fraction of your calculations, but I've certainly gained far more than anyone could ever imagine from your help.
Thank you again Sir, for all you do for us.

bnowlin · « **Reply #892 on:** January 17, 2016, 05:32:12 PM »

What I usually read I have to reread and reread etc. It usually goes in one ear, stays there awhile and then slowly leaks out the other side. and the it starts all over again. Bob is that 800 in USD or CA.
Bob Never mind you already said US funds

Hanabata808 · « **Reply #893 on:** January 17, 2016, 06:21:57 PM »

I'm one of the original buyers (serial #3) and although I will probably have to sell mine due to helping with my mother's medical bills, I would like to help with what Bob is offering in regard to helping Mike out. Best I can help with is $50 right now. I wish it could be more.
I do also want to give a big thanks to Bob for all he does for our airgun community.

aom22 · « **Reply #894 on:** January 17, 2016, 07:10:37 PM »

I'm number eight, A.O. Martinez. I'll pledge $25 to the cause.
Moreover, I sent Mike a little extra on my final payment to more than defray shipping costs.

Furthermore, I applaud Mike for making significant effort ... to say the least ... to bring an adult-quality, multi-stroke-pneumatic,
whose origin is the U.S. - to the American marketplace.
A MSP that doesn't have a supply-line that leads overseas ... most certainly, not to China.
And, for producing an airgun that has some spare parts that may be readily available through multiple domestic sources.
Not to mention, maintenance and repair services may be found through airgunsmiths familiar with the Disco platform.

It is my hope that Mike's efforts culminate in the establishment of a limited-production Custom Airgun Business.
That, in the Millennium Pumper ... lays the genesis of a successful line of high-quality air guns.

By the way, yesterday in an impromptu manner, I tried to contact Mike to relay some information to him ... within less than a half-hour,
I received a response from Mike.
If a customer needs to communicate with Mike ... he's available.

Frank_Zuccarini · « **Reply #895 on:** January 17, 2016, 09:28:43 PM »

If Mike is on board with this, I'll commit to $50.

Frank

rsterne · « **Reply #896 on:** January 17, 2016, 10:09:05 PM »

Guys, I don't want to make this a competition, so if you want to post your support, don't feel like you have to put in a number.... The way it's looking, if Mike is on board I think we can do this.... I'll PM him to give him a heads-up.....

Bob

Matt15 · « **Reply #897 on:** January 17, 2016, 10:13:33 PM »

I want to thank Mike (even though I am not getting a gun) for his dedication, updates, and hard work on this project!!! I am sure GTA is proud to have you as a vender. Thanks Mike!!!

tkerrigan · « **Reply #898 on:** January 17, 2016, 11:07:20 PM »

I'll be glad to send some bux. Regards, Tom

c670809 · « **Reply #899 on:** March 10, 2016, 01:11:54 AM »

Has anyone heard from Mike recently? In the past he usually emailed me back. Sometimes it took a couple of emails but he hasn't returned any email in the last two weeks.

Just wanted to see if anyone has heard from him.

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Millennium Pumper Production - *The Beginning* - And The Lousy End

Author Topic: Millennium Pumper Production - *The Beginning* - And The Lousy End (Read 292460 times))

Millennium Pumper Production - The Beginning - And The Lousy End

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