Millennium Pumper Production - *The Beginning* - And The Lousy End

[jvanschoonhoven]

I have one of these stocks and have AR's as well and I don't think the ergonomics on the ar are any better. you would also end up with a lot of extra weight. I know at this point he has already answered this  question before and said that he was not making an ar style stock for these.

[jaed.43725]

I have one of these stocks and have AR's as well and I don't think the ergonomics on the ar are any better. you would also end up with a lot of extra weight. I know at this point he has already answered this  question before and said that he was not making an ar style stock for these.

Ergonomics is a personal thing. I dont think there would be any extra weight. But maybe one day if there is enough demand for it. Or I get rich and have a custom stock made.

[azoutdoorsman]

I have one of these stocks and have AR's as well and I don't think the ergonomics on the ar are any better. you would also end up with a lot of extra weight. I know at this point he has already answered this  question before and said that he was not making an ar style stock for these.

Ergonomics is a personal thing. I dont think there would be any extra weight. But maybe one day if there is enough demand for it. Or I get rich and have a custom stock made.

AR15s are good for combat style shooting, and adding white lights, IR illuminators, lasers, and other attachments which are completely useless on a multi stroke pneumatic. Ergonomics means it fits your body, not the ability to attack a bunch of needless accessories. Maybe you meant modularity? And even so, there's little use for that on an Airgun other then for novelty's sake.

[jaed.43725]

AR15s are good for combat style shooting, and adding white lights, IR illuminators, lasers, and other attachments which are completely useless on a multi stroke pneumatic. Ergonomics means it fits your body, not the ability to attack a bunch of needless accessories. Maybe you meant modularity? And even so, there's little use for that on an Airgun other then for novelty's sake.
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No, I mean ergonomics. Adjustable buttstocks, cheekwells and forgrips and pistol grips all aid in shooter comfort. And comfort = accuracy.

[CarsonRatSniper]

I'm only offering these rifles with a Blaster stock at this time...end of discussion.

Mike

[CarsonRatSniper]

Its amazing what a few coats will do to these stocks...



Here's an idea of before & after...the only exception is the other Sky colored stock - mine had darker blue/black than the unfinished one, but you can see how much the color pops out when coated!



We had to weld a rack to hang the stocks from for finishing - now I can get them all done at once. I can only apply 1 coat a day so its 5 days or so before all the stocks will be finished.

Mike

[aom22]

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[MRT949]

Looking good 

[c670809]

What finish are you coating the stocks with?

My wife wants me to put a durable coating on our kitchen table. I figured a coating on a stock should be pretty durable.

Thanks - -

[CarsonRatSniper]

Minwax Wipe On Polyurethane.

Mike

[dyotat100]

What happened?

Do we have a gun that will shoot decent groups yet or are we still trying to get there?

[YEMX]

[aom22]

What happened?
Do we have a gun that will shoot decent groups yet or are we still trying to get there?

dyotat100 ... did you miss the previous posts depicting trial-shots from a Millenium Pumper?

This is 5 shots @ 15 yards to get a baseline before cf sleeving.
I will also be developing Millennium specific slugs - the group dispersion of my slugs is clearly barrel harmonics.

Scope is a simple 4x Bug Buster and the bench was wobbly - we are building a concrete 50 yard shooting test range right now on Jim's property.

More to come in a few days...I'm finally shooting *Our* prototype!!! 

I put my Center point 4-16x40 on the test rifle - I used UTG quick release rings that came with my Bug Buster scope.

I set up at 50 yards on the hood of my Jeep and shot a couple of groups...

It wasn't the best rest as it was still a bit wobbly...The average at a lasered 50 yards was 1/2" - 3/4" with Kings.
This is just the barrel screwed into the breech - the groups were strung vertically and most had 3 pellets all touching then a couple high or low.
I'm going to have to wait until I get to my actual range with the rifle before I do anymore longer range testing..

That's sub-nickel size at 50-yds while generating 46fpe ... I would think that's a good starting point for .25 caliber hunting rifle.
As is, 1 1/2 MOA would be more that adequate for my intended purposes.
Coupled with a quiet discharge ... and, I'd be set-to-go.

Here's the first 50 yard group shot off the hood of my Jeep - Kings @ 905 fps @ 1800 psi.



I will post more groups as we prep the barrels...

I would think, things will only get better with a little more time spent on development.
Moreover,  the barrel dampening system employing a "Belleville assembly" and "Viscous Dampening" ... may take more time
than originally anticipated to sort-out.

[dyotat100]

That group is at least quarter size and I guarantee it was the best one out of all the groups. That was over a month ago also.

Also that is tethered. I can see all kinds of problems with pumping and POI shifts.

[CarsonRatSniper]

Mods, I would appreciate you moving this entire thread to my Vendor Gate.

Thanks!

Mike

[dyotat100]

No comment huh

I guess we are having problems.  Not here to criticize. I have kept my comments to myself this whole time.

Usually someone builds a gun test and works out all the bugs. Then test it more. Then have someone else test it.

This thing went straight into production. I know if I paid for one I wouldn't want it to be in the trying to figure thinks out stage.

A gun at this price should shoot 50 yd 5 shot groups that a dime covers.

[aom22]

That group is at least quarter size and I guarantee it was the best one out of all the groups.

dyotat100, you make a valid observation.
The group in the image might be approaching a quarter (.955-in.) vs a nickel (.835-in.)
However, I was referring to Mike's quote - not the photo.

In a hunting situation ... the difference between a nickel and a quarter in accuracy at 50-yds.
I don't think would make any difference at all in the field - at least not from my shooting/hunting experience.

What is apparent ... more trial shooting and tweaking are needed - this takes time.
Any person familiar with product design/engineering, testing/development  and manufacturing/production would anticipate as such.
And, would appreciate as much during final product development .
I have a background in Engineering, Manufacturing and Machining - I'm not surprised.

Mike needs more time to dial-in the Millenium Pumper ... some patience would be in-order.

[CarsonRatSniper]

We are still developing our complete upper...I haven't done anymore testing since those groups were shot...that was *only* with the barrel screwed into the breech.
We still have sleeving & dampening + front band testing.

My 1:22 twist is shooting 1/2 MOA or better with my new slug and this gun will get tested with the new slug when I have one put back together.

Sure its been over a month - you of all people should know the time that gets eaten up on production when you have a full time job + another company to run...and I don't own the machine shop doing my work for me.

I have plenty of comments and have no problems answering questions but I'm too busy to spend my time putting somebody's mind at ease that #1: hasn't purchased a Millennium & #2: posts things that try to indicate some type of bash on my integrity in what I posted.

I refuse to chase my tail answering your questions until they become more respectful.

Other than that I will post more details as I have them.

Have a nice day.

Mike

[dyotat100]

That group is at least quarter size and I guarantee it was the best one out of all the groups.

dyotat100, you make a valid observation.
The group in the image might be approaching a quarter (.955-in.) vs a nickel (.835-in.)
However, I was referring to Mike's quote - not the photo.

In a hunting situation ... the difference between a nickel and a quarter in accuracy at 50-yds
I don't think would make any difference at all in the field - at least from my shooting/hunting experience.

What is apparent ... more trial shooting and tweaking are needed - this takes time.
Any person familiar with product design/engineering, testing/development  and production would anticipate as such
and appreciate as much during final product development .
I have a background in Engineering, Manufacturing and Machining - I'm not surprised.

Mike needs more time to dial-in the Millenium Pumper ... some patience would be in-order.

I understand things take time. Usually when someone sells a gun there is a working gun that all of the "figuring" out is done.

Instead guns have been paid for and things are still being worked out. I know I wouldn't be happy if I paid for one and things were still trying to be figured out. These guns were suppose to be done a while ago.

I think the biggest issue is going to be with POI when pumping the gun. I have a Sheridan with steroid kit and I hold the barrel at the sight to pump it.

[CarsonRatSniper]

So other than bashing me because they haven't shipped yet what exactly is your point?

Mike