The lamb that scared the big bad wolves! (HW80 recoilless)

[PIPERMAN]

This follow up of our story involves guns like the TX witch you can read about it in the specific thread.

As you might have realized the whole idea was to fit the mechanism in it's initial factory buttstock. Needless to say the only necessary thing to to is to simply cock the gun. No other action is needed. The last gun that went into George's caring hands was a HW 80. A gun with a long history that is known for it's power but also for the powerful slaps iτ generously gives to the shooters cheek.

The stock is (most probably) from a first generation HW 77








One thing's for sure. A good rifle needs good sights, especially open sights (in accordance το thοse strange days we live in)

All of you that spend even a little time with open sights definately know that once we
set them correctly we don't mess with them ever again. Depending on the target's distance, we simply "put less or more needle" on the target, thus aiming bellow or above it
This method might provide it's kicks but what about the shooter that wants to dig
something more from open sights in order to shoot at quite long distances?

One the one hand the clicks are not that repeatable since rear sights at the majority
of them are made like child toys quality-wise. On the other hand we've all seen that if we make a deviation with many clicks usually the sights lean to the left or right because these devices might have the accuracy but they lack the sturdiness. So how could we lift the sights up and down without leaning to the right or left? Tip top quality sights is the answer you'll give but we all know they do come along with an unbearable cost! 

Another solution that does not necessarily mean I have the eye of an eagle???
Well, since 1690 some Chinese provided a solution with the mod 62. The back sights would go up and down in a fixed position meaning they didn't had a windage setting for right and left. Let me draw your attention to the fact that they had distinct numbered pre-calibrated positions! As for the windage setting they had a wedging front that you would hit according to where you wanted it to go and once it was there, that was that. You simply left it there unless you loaded a different kind of pellet 
Of course 50 years later things have changed, the tools are available, ideas are tested and some hands are capable of making it happen.
Behold! Here is a back sight mechanism were you can safely adjust it's height because it slides on a rail that does not allow any horizontal leaning.



Of course it has pre-calibrated positions



Well, you might say that this works fine. It's like having a red-dot on an scope. You simply figure it out and that's all. Right?
But what about windage??? Are we gonna bang the front sight till we set our zero point?
Someone had a different opinion on the matter...







Pre-calibrated as well, from both sides to suit everyones needs





Pay attention to the breathtaking details of this mechanical porn!
The headless allen (two of them)



It pushes a spring that pushes a steal bead...



...witch is guided through the rails of the adjusting screw !!!



As you have noticed here (I place it back in)



the cam screw assures that we have surgical accuracy that stays put no matter what! :O :O :O
Of course we can use any HW needle we prefer




And here is the setback trigger as a great addition to alll that....






I keep looking at these photos (Special thanks to George and Stephane  ) and the first thought that comes to mind is that these things can not be real! They must be  from another planet.
I won't comment on their functional side of view (they do work!) , if they suit my granpa's likes (I simply don't care  ) or their anesthetics (they are  ).
However I WILL stand to the fact that sheet of white paper and aluminum was all that needed to have them created,
Kudos to you guys for your great work!!! 

As for the results, check here a 60 meter scope target session



and here at the same distance using the open sights...



Here is a video for you too :

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Come again? Say what?

CONGATS!!!

Original post with comments here : http://wfks.gr/index.php?topic=2261.0

[Narkissos]

hi, i've heard that is under 12 lbs! Also that the price is 1400euros (1800 usd)! Very very expensive i think!

[PIPERMAN]

hi, i've heard that is under 12 lbs! Also that the price is 1400euros (1800 usd)! Very very expensive i think!

Well,you have heard wrong.
The gun is 19.6 fpe,but the feeling is like 0 fpe.
About the price,i know for a fact that it was made from a friend to a friend,i happen to know the owner,
it was never for sale,so again you have heard wrong or you have heard imaginations...
Good to see you on international forums,i wonder why i never saw you on Greeks 
Kostas

(I suppose the fact that you became a member one day after my posts is irrelevant.
I suppose the fact i'm the admin to the greek forum - banned some guys i'm afraid- is also irrelevant)

[Narkissos]

edited by administration for insults

[Geoff]

nice looking open sights, thanks for sharing the photos and information

[MikieG]

I am guessing these sights are not available?

[amb5500c]

George and Kostas, I'm sensing a little tension from the two of you. It won't be tolerated here. If I am mistaken, then I apologize. If not, then you have been warned.
Richard

[RFC]

I actually like those sights.  I can't quite make out the manufacturer.

Oh, and I'm a big fan of recoilless springers and have three.

[PIPERMAN]

George and Kostas, I'm sensing a little tension from the two of you. It won't be tolerated here. If I am mistaken, then I apologize. If not, then you have been warned.
Richard

Richard,
i'm a member for a long time now,please check my messages.All my messages.
U r rigth to see tension,when i see someone that is a member just after i have posted to "burn" both topics 
ok i don't speak good english and "lamp" supposed to be LAMB.
But,
if anyone thinks its easy to translate from greek to english he is wrong.
We are talking about airguns here and believe me the only reason i posted is because i love airguns.

[PIPERMAN]

I am guessing these sights are not available?

I'm afraid they are not,this gun is custom from a friend (the tuner) to a friend (the owner)
But the next 2 topics are about 2 DIY recoilless guns with all tecnical info,measures,tips,everything

Have a taste,BAM 30 bullpup recoilless



and hatsan 99 recoilless

[jonnnyboy]

Kostas and George

I have locked this thread so that the rules can begin.  Please follow them.  If you have any questions concerning the rules I have outlined for you, please send me a private message.

joe