Author Topic: Who Makes Your Favorite LDC? (Read 10929 times))

Bicycleman · « **Reply #20 on:** October 08, 2014, 04:03:12 PM »

Norman, this is season #2 for my "Shroud". When I installed it a year ago, the POI was not changed. I hunt with it; and it does get bumped now and again - no problems so far. It quieted the Discovery nicely. Yes, the price is right too.

blackdiesel · « **Reply #21 on:** October 08, 2014, 04:38:05 PM »

Quote from: Bicycleman on October 08, 2014, 04:03:12 PM

Norman, this is season #2 for my "Shroud". When I installed it a year ago, the POI was not changed. I hunt with it; and it does get bumped now and again - no problems so far. It quieted the Discovery nicely. Yes, the price is right too.

Do they make LDCs for any rifles or just the Crodman rifles listed on the site?

ancient1one · « **Reply #22 on:** October 08, 2014, 04:53:01 PM »

TKO made an LDC for my Brocock Concept 22, the rifle is now backyard friendly without effecting accuracy. Mike at TKO is reasonable and stands behind what he sells.

ancient1one · « **Reply #23 on:** October 08, 2014, 05:04:42 PM »

Quote from: Bicycleman on October 08, 2014, 03:42:38 PM

http://www.accustommods.com/shrouds.html

Kevin, A.C. Custom Mods would be my 1st call if an LDC was needed.

Thanks for the link..

Lostcoast · « **Reply #24 on:** October 08, 2014, 06:34:32 PM »

Thanks for the suggestions gentlemen, and thanks Mike for the link to AC Custom Mods. Thanks ancient1one for the ACCM recommendation as well. I just emailed them. Great price!

Lostcoast · « **Reply #25 on:** October 08, 2014, 07:46:05 PM »

Update: This is the email I just received from Alejandro at AC Custom Mods:

Hello Kevin,

I don't make shrouds that are threaded. I only offer them for the crosman 7/16th barrels.

Thank you,
Alejandro C.
A.C.CustomParts

So it seems to rule out his shrouds as a possibility for the Hatsan AT44. Unless someone has found a way to adapt them to a 1/2 inch thread.. Looks like I'll be going with a TKO.

SpringerMan · « **Reply #26 on:** October 12, 2014, 10:21:20 PM »

Let me ask this . . .

Do you guys really think that using a EUPHEMISM, like "LDC", actually keeps you "under the radar" about what these units actually are ?

No one, especially the various "Agencies", is that stupid and I bet they get a good "chuckle" every time they read all of these Forums that they monitor on a regular basis !

Bicycleman · « **Reply #27 on:** October 12, 2014, 10:38:34 PM »

It is more to comply with the rules of the Forum that we use LDC, Shroud, Moderator, etc. If you are interested, you might see Rule 12 ---> http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=919.msg6662#msg6662

SpringerMan · « **Reply #28 on:** October 13, 2014, 04:05:05 AM »

Quote from: Bicycleman on October 12, 2014, 10:38:34 PM

It is more to comply with the rules of the Forum that we use LDC, Shroud, Moderator, etc. If you are interested, you might see Rule 12 ---> http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=919.msg6662#msg6662

Yeah, I've seen that . . . Hope the Owner / Moderators aren't deluded into thinking that "code-speak" for certain devices somehow "excludes" them from the regulations.

Bicycleman · « **Reply #29 on:** October 13, 2014, 11:48:41 AM »

I have been hunting (and fishing) long enough to have "encountered" quite a few WLF Officers in the woods and on the waters. ALL have been professional and very fair with me. I have never paid a fine; not even the time I received a citation and went to court for not having my hunting license in my possession. These Officers are people just like you and me; and if treated with the respect they deserve, will respond in kind. <--- IMHO derived from real life experiences.

I don't see how the Forum is doing anything wrong by refusing to use the actual NAME of the unmentionable item. Dance around the word and not get burned like warming yourself at a fireplace. Just keep your distance and all is fine.

SpiralGroove · « **Reply #30 on:** October 13, 2014, 04:08:48 PM »

Hey SpringerMan,
The Authorities botched 911 with their poor research of valid threats to our fellow countrymen

Maybe they were spending too much time monitoring Airgun Gun Websites
Regular US citizens likely can't imagine what the government does on surveillance. Hence, I wouldn't loose too much sleep over this!

My Two Cents..........................

Bwalton · « **Reply #31 on:** October 13, 2014, 04:32:22 PM »

There is no federal law regarding LDC's on air guns. also they do not take the same view about airguns as City or State. When ever I use mine it is most likely on federal rather then city or state for that reason. Infact you can use one on a firearm for hunting if it is registered with the FEDs, and a fee is paid.

ancient1one · « **Reply #32 on:** October 13, 2014, 05:09:40 PM »

Not a big deal. When I first joined the GTA forum I used a word that was frowned upon. I hunted a bird that was iffy. Members contacted me explaining the rules and it was over.

A lot of people learn about air guns on GTA. How to make them better, quieter, hunt with them, maintenance and many other things air gun. If the people running GTA do not want that word used don't use it. Let it go.

Lostcoast · « **Reply #33 on:** October 13, 2014, 05:15:58 PM »

I know this is a much-debated topic on air gun forums but my feeling is that if LDC's for air guns were regarded by fed and state as flat-out illegal then the many folks making them would not dare make them and the hundreds/thousands of folks using them would already be in big trouble and spreading the word..

Bwalton · « **Reply #34 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:29:55 PM »

Quote from: Lostcoast on October 13, 2014, 05:15:58 PM

I know this is a much-debated topic on air gun forums but my feeling is that if LDC's for air guns were regarded by fed and state as flat-out illegal then the many folks making them would not dare make them and the hundreds/thousands of folks using them would already be in big trouble and spreading the word..

Exactly including airgun manufacturers.....

Lostcoast · « **Reply #35 on:** October 13, 2014, 06:34:44 PM »

Yes except that manufacturers make air guns with permanent barrel shrouds and permanently attached sound moderator units, not stand-alone LDC's..

Bwalton · « **Reply #36 on:** October 13, 2014, 09:44:53 PM »

Quote from: Lostcoast on October 13, 2014, 06:34:44 PM

Yes except that manufacturers make air guns with permanent barrel shrouds and permanently attached sound moderator units, not stand-alone LDC's..

not true Hatsans come off. So does the Fx and others

Lostcoast · « **Reply #37 on:** October 13, 2014, 09:50:27 PM »

Thanks for the correction. I always assumed they were permanently attached - now I know...

SpringerMan · « **Reply #38 on:** October 13, 2014, 11:26:27 PM »

Quote from: Lostcoast on October 13, 2014, 06:34:44 PM

Yes except that manufacturers make air guns with permanent barrel shrouds and permanently attached sound moderator units, not stand-alone LDC's..

The "problem" with the potential Fed Class III Weapon status comes when a "curler tube" is removable and constructed in a manner robust enough to withstand use on a firearm, especially if the threads are 1/2-20 UNF, which is the "standard" for screw-on firearm accessories, such as a Flash Hider on an AR-15. In that case, the "dust flute" is considered to be a Class III weapon by itself, and subject to Federal ATF regulation.

On air rifles like the STOEGER X20S, the "apparatus" is permanently attached and constructed of relatively flimsy plastic, which is OK under the definition of an "LDC"...

Lostcoast · « **Reply #39 on:** October 14, 2014, 12:00:11 AM »

Yes I can see where the lines can be blurred into the Class lll status. Fortunately with regards to these devices for air guns, the authorities do seem to be able to make the distinction, or there would be a lot of individuals and companies in trouble. I am glad they are not.

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Who Makes Your Favorite LDC?

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