Settle an argument for me...

[Slavia]

I agree that arguing the point with a fool will go nowhere, but for your own vindication - Google "airgun accidents" or "air rifle accidents" or "BB gun accidents" and you will find plenty of cases to support your (correct) viewpoint.

[chuckinohio]

  Sounds to me like he was playing the tough guy role to impress the lady friend who was present.

  Belittling you and your accomplishments to make himself look better perhaps?


  I once had a guy tell me, with a straight face and he was dead sober, that if I was to shoot at him from 600 yards with a 30-06, he could jump aside and not get hit as long as he had a line of sight to my firing position!! 

  I tried to convince him that I believed him utterly, and that we needed to demonstrate the principle for the non believers..........................

  He was spouting off to impress a friends daughter with his manly prowess, and it didn't work.

[Privateer]

If one argues with anything that has "Gun" in it's name?
They are asking for trouble and show no respect of the possible damages.
The Water Guns you can buy can cause damages to your eyes if used wrong!

[Gresh24]

 

  Belittling you and your accomplishments to make himself look better perhaps?

How does an opinion on the power of an airgun belittle another person or their accomplishments?

[tjk]

Sorry. Your so called friend is a dumb-^&*. Anybody that puts their finger across the trigger when handed any type of gun is ignorant, and has no business having one in his hands. As for his stupid assumptions and assertation's that an air rifle cannot be used as a lethal weapon on any animal including a human is just showing his ignorance to all those around him. When he shot a hole in your ceiling with a BB gun, be thankful it didn't richochet and hit anyone present. Or even worse, it could have been in the direction of a wall instead and possibly struck an innocent bystandard. Just think of that scenario with a magnum rifle like an RX springer or a big bore career pcp. Not a pretty picture. I hope you share this thread with your friend so he might understand just how stupid he is for what he said and for his unacceptable behavior.
On a side note, I hope you've learned something from this experience. Never hand a cocked and loaded weapon to anyone,....ever. The next time it might be you and not the ceiling. Not Cool.

[Doug Wall]

Simple! Go to the store, and buy a section of ribs and a chicken. Shoot through the ribs and into the chicken. With a Kodiak, it's likely to go through both.

[D14Jeff]

i see no reason to be insulting the guy , he's just uninformed . most of us here are old enough to know that you can't believe everything people tell you or that just because somewhere on the internet it says something is or isn't true doesn't mean it's so . showing him the power of modern air guns so he can see with his own eyes will convince him . some great suggestions here on how to do that . if there's still any question in his mind show him news article about folks being killed by airguns ..... . explaining how you can shoot them in areas where a "real gun" would surely put you in jail may even spark his interest and get you a new air shootin buddy

[grobe1458]

Simple! Go to the store, and buy a section of ribs and a chicken. Shoot through the ribs and into the chicken. With a Kodiak, it's likely to go through both.

if I brought some ribs and chicken and sombody shot it to see how deep it went I'm inclined to see how deep my foot would go.*LOL*
shooting good bar-b-que food. not hardly, I'll let'em believe what he wants to believe while I'm grilling.*L*

[lefteyeshot]

Politically speaking, I don't like to see gun and airgun in the same sentence. I like being left alone in my back yard. It's along drive to the range.

[chuckinohio]

 

  Belittling you and your accomplishments to make himself look better perhaps?

How does an opinion on the power of an airgun belittle another person or their accomplishments?

 
  His opinion was based on ignorance, therefore it was not an opinion, but inane rambling being passed of as information.

  be·lit·tle
/biˈlitl/
verb
gerund or present participle: belittling

make (someone or something) seem unimportant.


 

 

 

[Gresh24]

Politically speaking, I don't like to see gun and airgun in the same sentence. I like being left alone in my back yard. It's along drive to the range.

I agree. Seems many want it both ways. No one wants airguns to be real guns when it comes to laws and classifications.  But in an argument like this they are the same.

I understand the argument and danger of all guns but there is a big difference.

[Gresh24]

 
  His opinion was based on ignorance, therefore it was not an opinion, but inane rambling being passed of as information.

  be·lit·tle
/biˈlitl/
verb
gerund or present participle: belittling

make (someone or something) seem unimportant.


 

 

 

I know the definition.  I guess I'm just not so sensitive that I'd think an opposing opinion is belittling to me or my accomplishments.  To each their own.

[HYspd]

who cares about insult and belittling? this dudes a window licking danger to all around him. run away and don't be shy Santa Claus can't bring you an eye...or stop a law suit


even my cousin's gun destroying nightmare (I still want to know how he bent the cocking lever on my Titan)23 year old son treats all projectile weapons with extreme safety in mind....absolutely no concern for preservation of the gun in any form, but he'll never hurt anything via negligent discharge...

[chuckinohio]

I know the definition.  I guess I'm just not so sensitive that I'd think an opposing opinion is belittling to me or my accomplishments.  To each their own.

  It wasn't an opinion, it was balderdash passed off as fact or common knowledge.

   Seek ye first to understand, then to be understood.
  To be thought of as ignorant is nothing, to open ones mouth and demonstrate ignorance is something else entirely.

  Lets go find us an airgun discussion to join, what say ye my friend?? 

[Pellgunfun]

I know the definition.  I guess I'm just not so sensitive that I'd think an opposing opinion is belittling to me or my accomplishments.  To each their own.

  It wasn't an opinion, it was balderdash passed off as fact or common knowledge.

   Seek ye first to understand, then to be understood.
  To be thought of as ignorant is nothing, to open ones mouth and demonstrate ignorance is something else entirely.

  Lets go find us an airgun discussion to join, what say ye my friend?? 

Hahahaha....

That takes me back to something my father used to say.  He'd say it like this.  "Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth shut and be though a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

[chuckinohio]

 I was referring to the airgun naysayer, I WAS NOT referring to Gresh...............

  Clarification provided so as to prevent the possibility of the content of my last post being misconstrued.

 

[Gresh24]

No big deal and I apologize for taking this off topic.  I was just saying an opposing opinion or even blatantly wrong opposing information would not belittle me or my accomplishments. Nor would I think that is the intent of the other person. The OP even said he didn't know if the guy was serious or not. It seemed like like a goofy exchange rather than a true debate to get any real information.

[Matt15]

Get a 400 fps air soft gun and shoot him and then ask him if he wants to get hit by a chunk of lead traveling twice as fast.

[f4milytime]

I would hate for airguns to be **controlled** like pb's, and IMO sometimes public forum conversations like this might fall upon the WRONG eyes/ears, and draw UNWANTED attention to the subject, ie; MORE UNNECESSARY LAWS. Just little worry of mine for our beloved sport.  Bottom line anything that spits lead is dangerous... Then again that's just my opinion.  " No offense intended towards anyone "

[SagaciousKJB]

No big deal and I apologize for taking this off topic.  I was just saying an opposing opinion or even blatantly wrong opposing information would not belittle me or my accomplishments. Nor would I think that is the intent of the other person. The OP even said he didn't know if the guy was serious or not. It seemed like like a goofy exchange rather than a true debate to get any real information.

Oh yeah he wasn't too serious, except when I said, "Well if you're so sure lemme shoot you with it," and he says, "Okay, so long as I can kick you in the #&%@ afterward."  Haha  It was in my attempt to explain to him that he would probably be unable to do so that I felt he didn't have an appreciation for how potentially lethal the airgun really was--but as others have said he probably could have just been putting tongue in cheek, and it was far from a real serious disbelief or argument and just silly machismo.

Mostly he's just a seeing is believing kind of guy, visual learner or whatever.  I can quote all sorts of numbers or news stories, but pretty sure the second he saw for himself how powerful it was he'd change his tune in kind of a "Why didn't you tell me!?" kind of way.  And really it's not so much for me, but for him--he never even liked handling my powder burners because they made him feel uncomfortable.  Meanwhile he's got this very false sense of security in thinking "Well that's not necessarily a toy, but it's nothing close to a firearm."