Which Weihrauch...

[lillysdad621]

I have owned all 4 rifles mentioned, the hw50 (actually it was a beeman R8, tuned), is ok but I reached for the r7 more often than not, as the size makes it handier, and being that it was used for short to medium range it did great. (by the way, i had 3 R7, and the best was the .20 cal.). I onwed 3 R9 in .20 cal... still own the last (actually a HW95 )... a lot more power than a hw50, and also very close on size... that is why the hw 50 stopped making sense to me. I had a 97K in .20 tuned, great FT gun, and i had the chance to shoot a HW97K blue laminate in .22... great guns. picking off shotgun shells at 50 yards was a joke... but sold the 97 and got a 77k instead, in .177 and had it tuned down to 11.88 fpe... it is my current FT rig... I just liked the classic styling better and it also still has the option of open sights... My gun has a Venom Clone kit and it will shoot well under 1 inch at 50 yards... is it more accurate than the break barrels??? not necessarily. it just looks better, and it makes me feel as if it more solid... that is why i like underlevers... The R1...BY far the best springer available... it is an understressed system that uses its own mass to smooth the firing cycle... and your body sway. I have owned a .177, a .22 and a .30 caliber R1. I have also shot them in .25 and .20... spring or gas rammed... They are absolutely wonderful. It you buy one new it WILL smooth out with time... but if you have a tuned one... that will be the last springer you buy. My favorite was a HW80 .22 carbine with a bull barrel and a target stock tuned to shoot 22 fpe. It had less recoil than the R7... but it was a wonderfully sorted gun. If you get one i would recommend a .22 because your only expense then would be pellets... It has enough power to hunt pretty big game (I did raccoons out to 40 yards with fusebox hits) and .22 is easier to get than .20... also it is very forgiving to shoot allowing for pretty amazing accuracy specially when stretching out... It is quite a handful as a backyard pester, but it can do it. The hw50 cant do the R1 job out past 40 yards... the r9 and the hw97 have about the same power... being in between the R1 and the hw50... But again, you can always dial the hw80/r1 down... and they get sweeter and sweeter.

[MikieG]

If you have read any of my posts, its obvious that I am a springer guy. Particularly the R1.
I am interested in the .30 cal R1. How was that one?

[lillysdad621]

it was 1 out of 5 made... it shot very well but it was difficult to secure pellets (before the new batch of .30 cal guns came out... ) we had half a tin of 30 grainers, loafing along at low 500s... but it smacked so hard... we also tried making a die to expand .25 cals... but the accuracy went out of the window. they were too squatty. Alas, that project was converted into a .25, which still shoots incredibly well today. . The barrel assembly is put away for now... maybe we will re try with lighter pellets when available... By the way, there were also 2 .32 cals... never found one though.

[triggerfest]

I have owned all 4 rifles mentioned, the hw50 (actually it was a beeman R8, tuned), is ok but I reached for the r7 more often than not, as the size makes it handier, and being that it was used for short to medium range it did great. (by the way, i had 3 R7, and the best was the .20 cal.). I onwed 3 R9 in .20 cal... still own the last (actually a HW95 )... a lot more power than a hw50, and also very close on size... that is why the hw 50 stopped making sense to me. I had a 97K in .20 tuned, great FT gun, and i had the chance to shoot a HW97K blue laminate in .22... great guns. picking off shotgun shells at 50 yards was a joke... but sold the 97 and got a 77k instead, in .177 and had it tuned down to 11.88 fpe... it is my current FT rig... I just liked the classic styling better and it also still has the option of open sights... My gun has a Venom Clone kit and it will shoot well under 1 inch at 50 yards... is it more accurate than the break barrels??? not necessarily. it just looks better, and it makes me feel as if it more solid... that is why i like underlevers... The R1...BY far the best springer available... it is an understressed system that uses its own mass to smooth the firing cycle... and your body sway. I have owned a .177, a .22 and a .30 caliber R1. I have also shot them in .25 and .20... spring or gas rammed... They are absolutely wonderful. It you buy one new it WILL smooth out with time... but if you have a tuned one... that will be the last springer you buy. My favorite was a HW80 .22 carbine with a bull barrel and a target stock tuned to shoot 22 fpe. It had less recoil than the R7... but it was a wonderfully sorted gun. If you get one i would recommend a .22 because your only expense then would be pellets... It has enough power to hunt pretty big game (I did raccoons out to 40 yards with fusebox hits) and .22 is easier to get than .20... also it is very forgiving to shoot allowing for pretty amazing accuracy specially when stretching out... It is quite a handful as a backyard pester, but it can do it. The hw50 cant do the R1 job out past 40 yards... the r9 and the hw97 have about the same power... being in between the R1 and the hw50... But again, you can always dial the hw80/r1 down... and they get sweeter and sweeter.

Wauw, great read ! And I was trending down the HW50, bit I did let it go again after your read... 

So..., out of those 4..., if you had to pick one, just only one AG for the rest of your life. Which one would it be ?? And why of course 

Also.., isn't the HW80 not to harsh on scopes ?

Cheers !

[lillysdad621]

if i was to have 1 only, it would be the HW80/R1 in .22. Second choice would be the R9 in .20, followed closely by the 97K in .22 (the R9 is a better field gun and i do tramp around the fields with a rifle... the 97 is a bit too heavy. And at last, not without merits though would be the HW50...but i would choose that in .22. If you are dead set on a .177 try the R7. Evryone should own an R7... it will bring world peace and end hunger...lol

[MikieG]

I would have to agree with the dew of the lilly. He pretty muc177  summed22  it up.
also my R1 never harmed a cheap BSA scope in either .177 or .22 cal..

[gg51]

Was the 77K excluded for any reason? 

[triggerfest]

Was the 77K excluded for any reason?

Not particularly...?

It is looks (HW97) vs open sights (HW77)..., any others from your perspective ? Like balance ?

[lillysdad621]

the 77k is a wonderful rifle... but mine is set up for FT at 11.8 fpe and that is how it shoots the best... which pretty much takes it out of the hunting realm for anything bigger tha a squirrel past 50 yards... The R1 can play FT... not perfect but it has been done... the 77 can't play howitzer... but i do love the 77... super fun gun...