Crosman Rouge ePCP .357

[heathen76]

paint ball ag have been using elect triggers fo some time now .id have to say for every day plinkers or target shooters its not that geart of a ho ra . but on the hunting aspect this could be very good .like myself and many other hunters that are not blessed with friends or family with large amounts of property to hunt and shoot.i love hunting but i am confined to hunting state property and it gives an extra safty back up . less worries about your bullet travling over a couple hundred yards past your sight even through a scope and hitting something or someone . this is why i prefer ag hunting instead of powder guns .even being the safe and cautious hunter that i am its just an extra plus in my book

[Nomadic Pirate]

......"Yes, it seems pretty revolutionary for the big bore crowd, I just hope the technology trickles down to the small bores."

  Heck no, they can keep all that "TECHNOLOGY"  far away from any airguns I would buy. That would [to me] overcomplicate a simple and durable design and take the dependability and self suficiency out of a tried and true design.

I worked on R.V.'s for 18 years, and [lets take a fridge for example] there was absolutly no electronics in the appliances. Yep you had to light pilot lights, but the worked for yeeeeeeeeears, if maintained, and usually when not![ I know a few of you have or have had older / newer R.V,'s]

Then some Jack%#@@ decided it needed TWO p.c. boards auto ignition,buzzers if the door isnt latched,self diagnostics,[ to help find the now possible probems that used to be non-existing] etc. etc. The dependability drove off a cliff overnight. They just [as of 3/4 years ago] got a decent handle on that part but would YOU wan't to pay $300.-$400 for a p.c. board after your extended warranty is up? Now add diagnostic time and labor. [But that was great job security for us ]


No thank you.

LOL Vinny, I'm with you 110%

[RedFeather]

I wouldn't put "shrouded barrel", ".357" and "same power as a .38 Special" in the same review.  "Oh, you mean it's just like a firearm???"  Let's just pray no one does anything illegal with one of these.

[Fisherdude]

I think the technical innovations in the Rogue are very cool.  The idea of regulating the valve opening based on pressure/time to achieve a constant velocity is extremely interesting.  But I won't likely be buying one until it shows up on a .22 cal rifle.  I also share the concerns expressed here that this is going to result in more pressure from the gun haters to regulate air rifles like they are firearms - thus keeping me from shooting in my back yard.

[Jaymo]

If you freeze paintballs, they can be very deadly. Don't hear any clamoring to ban them. My Pedersoli 20 gauge Howdah pistol, Pietta Remington New Army .44 revolvers, and all my other black powder firearms are much more powerful than big bore PCPs.  Black power guns have been used in crimes, but there's no huge regulation of them in the USA. You can order them through the mail.(As you should be able to do with ANY gun, be it air, BP, or cartridge)
There are enough big bore PCPs that are more powerful than the Rogue that the Rogue shouldn't be
the impetus for sweeping new legislation.
I like the benefits offered by the electronic firing control system.
I DON'T like the potential reliability issues it can create, nor the high prices of replacement control cards, or the fact that it requires battery power. NiMH, Li ion, LiPo, or LiFePo rechargeable cells could be a good thing.

At the rate that feral hogs are spreading in the USA, we could all end up having to shoot them in our back yards.

[airgunandy]

I agree, it looks very cool, like a chopper, a '49 Merc leadsled, or a high power 'Vette, and just about as practical. But hopefully there will be enough buyers to keep Crosman from taking a big loss.

[Nomadic Pirate]

I think that electronic tecnology is unnecessary on big bores, but it would be real good for huge shot count on small bores,...I think

[newguyontheblock (Nathan)]

i dont own a big bore, but wouldnt this take the guest work out of turning a knob then firing over a chrony to test it?

and also, at a quick glance it looked like a simple analog board that does only a few calculations, these are what 10 dollars? the electronic handle for my paintball gun was 30 bucks so i wouldnt be too worried about this gun

[Alan]

Will this work for ammo?

http://www.dashcaliber.com/page_14.html

[dk1677]

Just read $1200 to $1500 is projected as the price

[zzyzx]

Bet if you get one and something is not right it won't take 7 months to get it fixed like some of the European rifles do.
It is all MADE IN AMERICA?

[Nomadic Pirate]

Just read $1200 to $1500 is projected as the price

That seems about right, but wait to buy there will be a lot in the classified

[Nomadic Pirate]

Will this work for ammo?

http://www.dashcaliber.com/page_14.html

Yep, that's where I order my ammo for my .357 rifles and DAQ pistol

[Nomadic Pirate]

i dont own a big bore, but wouldnt this take the guest work out of turning a knob then firing over a chrony to test it?

and also, at a quick glance it looked like a simple analog board that does only a few calculations, these are what 10 dollars? the electronic handle for my paintball gun was 30 bucks so i wouldnt be too worried about this gun

Turning what knob ?

[Jaymo]

A 10 dollar control card wouldn't bother me. I almost forgot, we're talking about Crosman, not FX/Daystate/BSA/Wiehrauch.

[newguyontheblock (Nathan)]

nomadic, dont some big bores come with an adjuster knob (or something you can make) to adjust the power. like the m-rod

[oldpink]

What's with all the alarmism about anti-gunners trying to specifically go after this particular new airgun and by extension, other powerful PCP and shrouded rifles?
Think about it, if that really were a matter of concern, don't you think that the likes of this monster would have already gotten some negative attention? - https://www.pyramydair.com/product/evanix-ar6-shrouded-pcp-air-rifle?m=2058
Or this? (even though this one is not shrouded) - https://www.pyramydair.com/product/seneca-big-bore-909s?m=516
Believe me, I distrust anti-gunners as much or even more than the rest of you, but we have history on our side here.
Just let them try and justify going after guns powered by compressed air, and they will only metaphorically shoot themselves in the foot with the public at large.

[DaveShooter]

......"Yes, it seems pretty revolutionary for the big bore crowd, I just hope the technology trickles down to the small bores."

  Heck no, they can keep all that "TECHNOLOGY"  far away from any airguns I would buy. That would [to me] overcomplicate a simple and durable design and take the dependability and self suficiency out of a tried and true design.

I worked on R.V.'s for 18 years, and [lets take a fridge for example] there was absolutly no electronics in the appliances. Yep you had to light pilot lights, but the worked for yeeeeeeeeears, if maintained, and usually when not![ I know a few of you have or have had older / newer R.V,'s]

Then some Jack%#@@ decided it needed TWO p.c. boards auto ignition,buzzers if the door isnt latched,self diagnostics,[ to help find the now possible probems that used to be non-existing] etc. etc. The dependability drove off a cliff overnight. They just [as of 3/4 years ago] got a decent handle on that part but would YOU wan't to pay $300.-$400 for a p.c. board after your extended warranty is up? Now add diagnostic time and labor. [But that was great job security for us ]


No thank you.

LOL Vinny, I'm with you 110%

I'm also with you guys . I like things simple. Too many bells and whistles on this rifle for sure.

[maxiedog]

They forgot the wheels and the trailer hitch..LOL....But they have the battery for the turn signals!!

[Hey man!]

A very impressive rifle to be sure, but as others have mentioned, it isn't a gun that I have any use for.  I like air guns because I can shoot them in my back yard.  If I go hunting elsewhere and need more firepower, I can buy two or three very nice centerfire rifles for the price of this one.

As far as regulation is concerned- I don't think it's accurate to assume that just because muzzle loading rifles and other big bore air rifles have not caused increased regulation that the Rogue will not.  This is a high powered, multi shot rifle that is very quiet.   Muzzle loading rifles may be powerful, but they are single shot, and they are not quiet.  And other big bore air rifles are not mainstream, so most people outside of the airgunning circle know nothing about them.  The Rogue is poised to change that.

If this rifle is ever used to kill or maim a human being, the press is going to have an absolute field day with it.  It is also likely that, should this rifle ever be used in such an awful manner, that there are going to be multiple injuries and/or fatalities.  If so, it will take only one isolated incident for legislation to be introduced that may restrict all air guns.

I bring this up not to be negative, but to encourage realistic discussion of such a possibility.  It is truly unfortunate that we live in a society in which such a scenario is even a possibility...