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Phire Phite · « **on:** July 31, 2014, 11:08:17 PM »

So I'm wanting to go to the darkside

. If my main concern would be noise output, what would be my best bet? My guess would be m-rod.?. Not willing to hear about an fx or things of the such, as I'm not that rich....yet. This would be in .25 as well.
Thanks guys/gals. This forum rocks btw, but you knew that.

-Jason

HatsanPhantom · « **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2014, 11:16:46 PM »

Yeah the marauder is is very low noise depending on whats around when you shoot it. When I'm shooting from inside the house it seems loud...I assume from the reverb.When taken outside and shot, it seems like a whisper. I have missed shots at animals and had them not even flee.

LDP · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2014, 11:18:41 PM »

I would not limit my self to an mrod based on noise being the major factor in my purchase. You can make them all quiet if you have the tools and knowledge but if not you can pay for someone who has the tools and knowledge to help you. Tell us some of the other things you would like or need from the airgun. What is the price point you need to stay in? Do you prefer a certain weight or length? Do you care about shot count? If you tell everyone all the criteria you would like to meet then we can give you the best advice.

Phire Phite · « **Reply #3 on:** August 01, 2014, 12:22:59 AM »

I guess it would depend on how quiet you could make them. Right around the price of the m-rod would be good. I don't know that I could justify much more once the air acc. are added in, and if wanting to tune, getting a chrony and what not. I guess $7-800 ish. Would love the size/weight of a condor I'm sure, but I'm not opposed to heavier rifles. I would mostly plink and pest control out of my back door. Shot counts on 90% of its shooting would be quite low. I would be inclined to go for an edge in fpe vs more shots.

LDP · « **Reply #4 on:** August 01, 2014, 12:46:38 AM »

What type of pests are you going to shoot? Well the mrod would work but you could get a Hatsan at44 Quiet energy model for slightly cheaper and they are reported to be as quiet as the mrod. If you were willing to step up just a little in cost the Evanix Rainstorm II is also shrouded and they have a Rainstorm 3d bull pup if you wanted to go shorter. There is also the Eun Jin Sumatra 2500 500 cc model and Pyramid Air has refurbs listed for under $600 in .25 cal. They also make it in a carbine in .25 cal for $650. Yes some of those are putting the cost right to youre limit or slightly over but they are options I would be looking at if I was wanting more fpe over shot count. The Evanix and Eun Jin have a reputation for power, quality and accuracy. I have shot the Eun Jin 500 cc model in .25 and it was a hammer and very accurate. I am buying an Evanix Rainstorm II in .25 in a couple days and based on posts here and other forums i believe i will be very happy with that pcp. Maybe some one else will chime in with some other choices.

Phire Phite · « **Reply #5 on:** August 01, 2014, 08:43:27 AM »

Seems as if you don't like the m-rod

. The RS II would be great but puts me we'll over $1000 all said. I did see the refurb Sumatra which is very enticing. Made things more difficult, but is one of those very loud ones. If it could not be tamed, it would not get shot. Super small and petty, but it doesn't look like you could add a bipod either. Thanks for the response.
-Jason

UCChris · « **Reply #6 on:** August 01, 2014, 09:20:05 AM »

Hatsan AT44 with LDC.

grobe1458 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 01, 2014, 09:35:27 AM »

to the OP, it would be best to buy a shrouded unit like the mrod as currently in your state the use of any of these add-ons to lower the noise will land you in jail. until they pass the law allowing it, it is illegal. if they consider airguns firearms then you definately want to avoid them.

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Bill would allow Vt. gun owners to use (@*#&%(*@&)
Posted: Jan 31, 2014 6:20 PM EDT Updated: Feb 03, 2014 5:00 PM EDT
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MONTPELIER, Vt. -

A new bill introduced Friday would allow Vermont gun owners to use (@*#&%(*@&).

Vermont currently bans the manufacture, sale, use or possession of gun suppressors. The bill would not allow their use while hunting.

Rep. Pat Brennan says (@*#&%(*@&) would not eliminate the need for ear protection while shooting, but may make target practice quieter for neighbors.

"It doesn't muffle it to the point where you can't hear it, but it certainly wouldn't hurt the arrangement between range owners and land owners," said Brennan, R-Colchester.

If the measure does become law, gun owners would still need to apply for a $200 federal permit in order to use a (*^%. The application process requires fingerprinting and typically takes 6-8 months to complete in neighboring New Hampshire, where they're already permitted.

LDP · « **Reply #8 on:** August 01, 2014, 10:19:09 AM »

Well grobe1458 if his state defines the airgun as a fire arm then the mrod with baffles in the shroud would also be illegal. It is still a noise dampening system and works the same way as any other one is dedigned to. The only reason some people prefer them over removable ones is because they are non removable and cannot be attached to anything else guaranteeing you are within the federal law. If the state does not allow use of a sound altering device then the mrod in its original state falls into that category.

Phire phite i do not dislike the mrod i am just making sure all the choices are put on the table after all you are the one who asked our advice and opinions on the matter.

grobe1458 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 01, 2014, 10:59:15 AM »

unless stated as baffles and shrouds like here in NJ which banned the gamo's and mentions shrouds and baffles.
while all mine are shrouded, it came that way and mine are grandfathered in. I didn't add anything to it which comes down to intent.
state troopers and law enforcement have been over my house and they never mentioned anything if they even know about it.
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LDP · « **Reply #10 on:** August 01, 2014, 11:20:09 AM »

Individual state laws seem to be creating questions and problems with buying airguns when it really should be easy. But back on topic

Phire Phite if putting and ldc on the airgun is something you can legally do in youre state then my advice is to get the refurb sumatra on PA web site. The sumatra can be turned up for some serious power and in seconds be turned down for low power high shot count plinking. If an ldc is out of the question then i would look at the mrod and the Hatsan QE series and choose the one that had the features i liked most.

RayK · « **Reply #11 on:** August 01, 2014, 01:44:59 PM »

My 177 M-rod is very quiet with stock hardware, but I tuned it for 13 FPE and 70 good shots within 3% ES and a 2500 psi fill. The only must-do modifications are 1) remove lawyer spring to expose the match trigger and 2) install a quality depinger to get rid of that annoying ping in the air tube.

You can tune it for higher power if you need/want it, but 13 FPE is plenty for squirrels and most birds and is very quiet. I installed the Gen II baffles in my 22 M-rod and it is pretty quiet now too, but I only get 32 good shots per fill at peak of 25 FPE.

I'd like to try an AT44 QE. I really like the side lever and they are often accurate with a variety of pellets from the factory. I shot Baxter's 22 AT44 and really liked it, but he has it spent time tuning it for very high power. I remember it was not very quiet, but his may not have had a shroud that comes with the QE version.

Ray

rkr · « **Reply #12 on:** August 01, 2014, 01:48:30 PM »

It should be easier and cheaper to get a rimfire gun with legal sound removal device (was it 300$ fee?) if you are serious about getting quiet. Other than that M-rod is probably the quietest of shrouded .25 ones and with big custom LDC anything can be made quiet. If you really want a quiet and powerful .25 airgun start with a bottle model as they have room for a big reflex type LDC (BSA R10 would probably be my choice).

LDP · « **Reply #13 on:** August 01, 2014, 02:02:46 PM »

Rkr it would not be cheaper going with a 22lr and buying a noise changer. You have the cost of the gun lets say $300 then the cost of the noise changer and that is typically $250 for 22 lr then you have $200 for the paper work. Then after all that it is up to 1 year wait for the paper work to be cleared and then you will have a hard time finding 22 lr and when you do the cost is high. The other catch is most cities will not allow the discharge of a firearm in city limits and just because it has the noise fixed you will always have to worry about someone seeing you use it if you are in the city.

Sfttailrdr46 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 01, 2014, 02:12:07 PM »

For an entry level Quiet out of the box accurate and fairly powerful the Synthetic Marauder .25 is a great choice I really like mine it is actually very back yard friendly. and accurate out to 75 yards or better

rkr · « **Reply #15 on:** August 01, 2014, 04:05:35 PM »

Quote from: LDP on August 01, 2014, 02:02:46 PM

Rkr it would not be cheaper going with a 22lr and buying a noise changer. You have the cost of the gun lets say $300 then the cost of the noise changer and that is typically $250 for 22 lr then you have $200 for the paper work. Then after all that it is up to 1 year wait for the paper work to be cleared and then you will have a hard time finding 22 lr and when you do the cost is high. The other catch is most cities will not allow the discharge of a firearm in city limits and just because it has the noise fixed you will always have to worry about someone seeing you use it if you are in the city.

Hmm, rather good .22lr devices can be had for about 60-70$ in here and excellent ones cost about 130$, both much more quiet than your typical .25 air rifle with LDC. Still, if we add your figures that would be 750$ and that would get you a M-rod or hatsan with added LDC or shroud extenson to be truly quiet. Local legistlation is of course a whole another thing and I can't comment on that.

LDP · « **Reply #16 on:** August 01, 2014, 04:42:17 PM »

I work for a class 3 dealer we sale controled items and also handle the transfer for people. I know that there are no quality items for $60 - $70 for firearms. If it is that cheap then it is garbage or made illegally without going thru all the needed paper with the BATF. None of that really matters because if you saved even $100 from the cost of a mrod or Hatsan you still have the city ordnance to abide by if you live in the city and the problem with finding subsonic 22 lr. In the quantity needed to use it as a plinker and at a reasonable cost.

We are treading very close to forum rules by continuing this debate and out of respect to the forum rules and the OP for hijacking the thread this is my last comment on the subject of sound

Phire Phite · « **Reply #17 on:** August 01, 2014, 10:45:27 PM »

LDP I did indeed ask and appreciate the responses. Really got me thinking about the Sumatra (mmmm 70 fpe with the eun Jin 35.8's), but I now am going to have to do some research on the ldc thing. AG's are not considered fire arms, but suppressor's are certainly not legal. RKR if I could legally own a suppressed .22, I would of had one long ago and may not even care about AG's(what a shame that would be too), and that BSA is $$$. Thanks all again, because it wasn't hard enough to decide before

-Jason

livinthedream · « **Reply #18 on:** August 02, 2014, 01:03:26 AM »

I just gpt a 25cal sumatra and it was insanely loud but once i put a lead collecting device (ldc) she is now very very backyard friendly i got a 10 inch ldc and i am very impressed you cannot beat the power of a Sumatra and the best part is it has a power wheel. I got mine from pyramid air with 6 tins of pellets to my door for $580 if you want pm me and ill give you the run down on the ldc and the Sumatra

LDP · « **Reply #19 on:** August 03, 2014, 09:14:03 PM »

Quote from: Phire Phite on August 01, 2014, 10:45:27 PM

LDP I did indeed ask and appreciate the responses. Really got me thinking about the Sumatra (mmmm 70 fpe with the eun Jin 35.8's), but I now am going to have to do some research on the ldc thing. AG's are not considered fire arms, but suppressor's are certainly not legal. RKR if I could legally own a suppressed .22, I would of had one long ago and may not even care about AG's(what a shame that would be too), and that BSA is $$$. Thanks all again, because it wasn't hard enough to decide before
-Jason

The topic just seemed to be going further away from what you really wanted answers on and more responses based around firearms and i believe this forum is airgun only so i want to keep it about that. Ldc are another topic that brings out people who are for them and others who claim they are illegal on an airgun. I can tell you with complete confidence that they are completely legal for use on and only on airguns as far as the fed govt is concerned. Some states might see it different but the BATF have responded on more than one occasion that an ldc made solely for the intended use on an airgun is not illegal. It becomes illegal when it can be attached to a firearm or is attached to a firearm.
Sound moderation on an airgun can be a grey area and one could unknowingly cause them self grief if they are not careful so some people choose to not even get involved with airguns and attached devices. But if you take a look around there are multiple companies making them and advertising them for the sole use on airguns so that should tell you if they are legal in the eyes of the BATF if used on airguns only.

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