Brocock

[cclingma]

I've been researching PCP rifles fairly intensely for a few months and still haven't picked one for my "top of the list" gun.  Looking for a paper puncher, squirrel assassinator, soda can buster to maybe 100 yards.  I'm trying to not spend FX, Air Arms, Cricket amounts of money.  I should say that I'm just not going to do it.  So, I always come back to the same guns Marauder .25, P-Rod carbine all modded out, Disco with repeater breach, flying dragon PCP with repeater mod, maybe oh so maybe Rainstorm II.  I'm wanting quiet or easily made quiet, repeater, potential for accuracy that leaves me amazed, lightweight and compact feeling as well as that "quality feel".  Once in a while when searching I come across a recommendation for Brocock.  Their Concept Super 6 specifically catches my eye.  My concern is that it just doesn't look like these guns have went over in the US?  Looks like it would be hard to get?  Sure does look sleek, compact, aesthetically pleasing.  Hard to tell from the few reviews I did watch but the action and mag appear and sound to be smooth and precise.  Weihrauch barrels to boot.

Any thoughts?

[Sfttailrdr46]

Welcome Take a hard look at the Marauder Synthetic .25 they are a great rifle for the price and almost 1/2 the cost of a RS II .25 especially when you add the LDC . The Marauder is quiet and accurate and if you add an after market de pinger very backyard friendly. Just remember PCP= Rifle + pump or tank and source for HPA as a minimum start up

[Gtownjake]

I too have been intrigued by the Brocock. If it means anything to you, they were recently purchased by the owners of Daystate.  What you describe you are looking for is exactly what I am looking for. I will be following this thread to see what others say. I'm sure you have seen the videos on YT. It looks like a great little rifle. My only (slight) concern is the small air tube but on the flip side, exactly how many shots am I going to take when I'm actually hunting? 6, 8 maybe 10? One full tank should be suffice.....I would hope.

The only advice I would pass on that I received is that make sure you talk to the dealer and you are getting the FAC version (unless you are OK with sub 12fpe).

[Bill G]

I don't think that design will give the expected power that most US consumers desire.  There is a company that makes a gun and cartridge that is/was in development here in the US, their cartridges look like .50BMG rounds though. They have to be that big to get the desired energy levels. 

Bill G

[cclingma]

 sfttailrdr46
The Synrod .25 does seem like a safe and sure bet.  If I had to decide tonight thats probably what I'd do.

 Gtownjake
I hear you on the lower power version.  Oh I'd be sick if I got the sub 12lber.  Another possible negative is a on board gauge or lack there of.  I'd like a gauge.

 Bill G
I saw something about that cartridge style gun but I'm mostly interested in their remotely charged PCP type.

[Laz]

I own a Brocock Super 6 in .22 and it is everything you describe/want. Haven't shot it at 100 yards but consistently sub dime groups (*when I do my part and conditions are right  ) at 50 yards. Consistent 80+ yard starling kills  The only thing limiting me is the scope on there.

Out the box it was 18-20 fpe depending on pellet. 18 shots with an ES of sub 15 fps. 24 shots are about 20 fps ES if I recall. I wanted a bit more power though...

So

I power tuned it to 25 fpe with 18.13gr JSB's (its fav.) and still get a really good ES of 18-20 fps with the same 18 shots.

Pumping is a breeze!! An easy 1-2 minutes that isn't hard whatsoever for maybe 30-34 pumps back to sweet spot which is 185 BAR.

SUPER LIGHT. With a 6-24x44mm Barska on there, a bipod and sling and muzzle break*, it is still lighter than my other guns unscoped (besides the Condor ).

Superior British/German quality.

Mildy easy to work on.

Cons- no anti-double feed system but you get used to it and I personally haven't double fed in thousands of shots.

No safety but that's only an issue for 'noobs' to guns. Otherwise only cock the gun when ready to shoot, if not, remove mag to avoid double loading and decock. Simple.

No gauge but that's okay because as you are tuning/calibrating/pellet testing etc. You would do this with a chrony to find the sweet spot and just memorize your optimal shot count. I've simplified it by going by clips. 18 shots is 3 clips, easy to remember etc.

 I don't know what upgrades are on the Elite versions besides bigger tank and built-in gauge.

Hopefully this answered some questions and if a lightweight yet accurate and mild power is what you want but still want quality, the Brocock may be the ticket. 

[Laz]

Here's a pic btw at 50 yards. If it wasn't for that darn flier,  , the remaining 17 shots fit in 0.75".

18 shot groups at 50 yards (a typical washed n lubed group vs a typical non washed n lubed group.)

[cclingma]

Thanks for the very informative reply.  Beautiful groups!

I forgot about the safety.  It may sound goofy but having no safety bothers me.  Ive toted powder burners since I was a kid and was taught early in to never count on a safety but I still like having it there.

[Laz]

Thanks for the very informative reply.  Beautiful groups!

I forgot about the safety.  It may sound goofy but having no safety bothers me.  Ive toted powder burners since I was a kid and was taught early in to never count on a safety but I still like having it there.

Your welcome and undertood! And doesn't sound goofy at all!

[benj397]

I really like the brococks too.  However, the lack of a safety is a deal breaker for me.  I also read that the company was bought out by Diana (parent company to DayState).  I'm hoping they update the rifle and add a safety.

[ancient1one]

Here's a pic btw at 50 yards. If it wasn't for that darn flier,  , the remaining 17 shots fit in 0.75".

18 shot groups at 50 yards (a typical washed n lubed group vs a typical non washed n lubed group.)

Impressive 50 yard shooting. How do you wash and lube the pellets? I bought a Brocock Concept that will be arriving in the next few days. What did you do to get 25 fpe? Did it make it louder? What are you using for a muzzle break? What does ES stand for in your last post?   

[gonzav]

http://www.topgun-airguns.com/Concept-Elite_p_75.html
Here is a link to a Brocock Concept Elite Super 6. It has a Manometer at the end of the tube.
The 30 FPE model in .22 Caliber can shoot 70 shots. Price at $795.
The only thing that somewhat provides a safety is the open bolt lock slot.

[Laz]

Here's a pic btw at 50 yards. If it wasn't for that darn flier,  , the remaining 17 shots fit in 0.75".

18 shot groups at 50 yards (a typical washed n lubed group vs a typical non washed n lubed group.)

Impressive 50 yard shooting. How do you wash and lube the pellets? I bought a Brocock Concept that will be arriving in the next few days. What did you do to get 25 fpe? Did it make it louder? What are you using for a muzzle break? What does ES stand for in your last post?

Thanks!

 I use a plastic container filled with warm/hot soapy water. Empty the full tin of pellet in to and swish it around with your hand for awhile. To really get the shavings and junk off/out of the pellets. Then get a strainer and strain the pellets carefully, not to damage the pellets. Pour pellets carefully onto paper towel or cut up t-shirt and use hair dryer to dry. Will take multiple run overs with the dryer. May even need to let them sit a few hours to fully dry.

Next, I apply a few drops of your preferred pellet lube (in my case, Krytech) in the bottom of the empty pellet tin and tin lid. Apply a 100 or so pellets, a third or quarter of the total amount. And gently roll the tin in all directions to evenly coat the pellets. Another option is to use sandwich bag and apply a few drops in the bag with lube, then add pellets to evenly coat in a more gentle fashion.


I was forced to clip a few coils off the mainspring due to accidental damage to it... So I counter acted that by clipping a few coils off the valve spring. I then replaced the clipped coils with appropriate nylon spacers. Meaning a longer nylon spacer for the main spring and a shorter nylon spacer  for the valve spring. Also adjusted the hammer screw down to allow longer travel.

Without playing with the springs, the hammer screw only allowed for maybe 2-3 FPE. So I think my mods were quite the success.

Yes, it did make it louder due to more power. Pm'd you about the *muzzle break. ES stands for Extreme Spread as in the highest shot velocity and the lowest shot velocity in my optimal shot count via the chrony.

Hopefully I explained everything well enough

[benj397]

Using the open bolt as a safety, is there a chance the mag can fall out?

With the power tune, does your muzzle break still do the job?  Please pm info.

I may just have to revisit these Brococks.  I saw a video of them at a show and they were talking about upgrades - larger tubes, more power, etc but it didn't say how much more weight that added.  I'd really like a compact less than 6 pound gun capable of 100 yard shots.

Video link:

[gonzav]

I think the rifle has a magnet that keeps the steel magazine from falling out.

[cclingma]

I watched both if the videos posted above.  That first video review of the Concept Elite was very convincing for me.  He touted the exact things hat have me so interested in these rifles.  Such a clean looking and small rifle.  The fact that he was stacking pellets didn't hurt either.  The second video actually concerns me a little.  I like their rifles in the small version and hope they don't feel the need to turn them into big lugs.

This seems common when products get "improved" for the US market.  I'm thinking of how great the older Franchi mechanical 20ga semi auto shotguns felt.  They were so light and enjoyable to carry but got replaced by the modern gas operated guns.  Or maybe the little single cylinder air cooled Japanese ATVs of the past.  Now they're big, heavy, complicated.  Toyota trucks...they were small and tough with ample ground clearance but now they've gotten big and loaded with convenience options.  Maybe I'm getting old.

For what it's worth I like the modern Franchi shotgun, the big comfy ATV, and the Toyota that's now bigger than a comparable Ford or Chevy.  I just sometimes would like to be able to get the little simple stuff that we had not so long ago.  Brocock?  Seems small and simple....for now.

[leadbetter]

They sound just about right to me, hey I might even go get one!! Wish crossman would've made something more like this and less like a small john boat

[Laz]

Using the open bolt as a safety, is there a chance the mag can fall out?

With the power tune, does your muzzle break still do the job?  Please pm info.

I may just have to revisit these Brococks.  I saw a video of them at a show and they were talking about upgrades - larger tubes, more power, etc but it didn't say how much more weight that added.  I'd really like a compact less than 6 pound gun capable of 100 yard shots.

Video link:

Wow, that new Brocock looks pretty awesome! We'll have to see how it performs. Could possibly be a high quality marauder substitute....

I personally wouldn't use the open bolt as a safety. Because that would put more wear on the hammer spring. I just cock when ready to shoot. If not ready to take the shot then...

1. Cock the bolt to open
2. Remove mag to avoid double load (mag rotates every time you cock the gun.)
3. Decock the gun.
4. Now a pellet is in the chamber and ready to shoot after you cock the gun again.

5. after you shoot that shot,
6. reinsert mag into empty slot in the mag to continue about.

It's a system/process that I am so used to now, it's second nature with the gun. I have no issues doing it.. it's just when I let someone new and not used to the gun try it  But simple to learn and get used to.

[travels4fun]

The difference between the Standard and Elite on all models are as follows:

ELITE VERSIONS INCLUDE:

• UPGRADED 30MM CYLINDER
• GRADE 2 WALNUT STOCK
• PRESSURE GAUGE
• BULL BARREL AS STANDARD
• UP TO 80% MORE SHOTS

I have been interested in the Brocock's as well. Here are the various models and prices for Brocock .22 rifles sold here in the US. They are all Super 6 (S6) variants:

Airguns of Arizona:

• Contour Super Six XL - $599
• Concept S6 Standard - $579
• Concept S6 Elite - $995

Precision Airguns & Supply:

• Brocock S6 Specialist - $695
• Concept S6 Elite - $795 ($200 cheaper than AOA)

Topgun Airguns:

• Contour S6 Standard - $755
• Contour S6 Elite XL - $775
• Concept S6 Elite - $795 ($200 cheaper than AOA)

If anyone is interested in purchasing a used Brocock Contour S6 XL, let me know. I know 2 people, each of whom are selling their Contour XL Super Six .22 as new. One of them just bought it last week and had a change of heart so it's never been fired. PM me and I'll give you their contact info. I believe one is going for around $500 and the other $575 but includes additional magazines.

Scott

[serdac]

Got my Brocock Contour XL Super Six .22, on 7/26/14. I can email anyone full sized photos if requested, just pm me. It arrived from AOA supplied with the 3 piece FX LDC, yes its actually three pieces, I can only unscrew the first two pieces, I can't unscrew the piece attached to the the barrel to reveal the 1/2 UNF thread - maybe if I try harder I can. Weighs 4 pounds 7 ounces on my scale with the LDC, red dot and empty six round mag. There is no gauge on this model (there is a gauge the Elite model but that model isn't available here yet) not a deal breaker and fine with me, others have stated that no gauge means just one less place for a possible leak, for BAR/PSI you'd go off the gauge on your pump and or tank and you can keep track by the mag/pellet count once you figure out what your sweet spot is. I don't have a tank or pump yet and don't know how much air it was shipped with, I shot it and it's backyard friendly. Total length with LDC is 34" long, very svelte and pointable, no iron sights on this model, recoil pad adjusts/slides up and down. High quality and well made, the stock has a thumb rest that will accommodate a right hand shooter, no issues shooting left handed though. I don't know if I have a beech or walnut stock, its not stated anywhere. Either way it doesn't matter as the wood is nice. I've never been able to describe a trigger too well, it has two stages, short light first stage and it breaks light and fast on the second stage. AOA chronied it for 5 shots using 14.6 grain FTT pellets and the shots were from 698 to 702 fps (about 15.9 ft/lb), unknown what BAR/PSI they filled it to. I emailed Brocock to see if they can tell me what the capacity is on the air cylinder, waiting on an answer. It came with one six round magazine, There are a lot of variations to the Contour, the one pictured on the AOA site is the actual one you will get. I don't think anyone purchasing this would regret it. I don't know if the PCP is for me, I haven't shot it, no pump or tank. If anyone is interested drop me a pm.