Daisy 880/901 trigger mods

[DonH]

Yes it is the BOINGGG thing that I am worried about.
If it does that I hope that I make it go GGGNIOB!!!!!

George,make sure your safety is off or it will pop apart (boinggg). Also clock the the hammer open. The pin for the trigger only comes out one way. One side of the pin is knuckled, that's the side it comes out of. On the hammer pin either way will do. Hope this helps.  Don

LOL.... I smell some trial and error here.   I made the same discoveries.
The fun of it is.... Stony is sending me a modded part and I get to do it all again.

Yah, not as bad when I pull the piston out, when it finally gives, the wheels and pin go flying. Carp!!!😥 It happen couple of times before I cocked open the pumping arm first then pulled out the pin.😀 Oh well live and learn. Don

[stonykill]

Don do I cock the hammer open before taking the gun apart?
And thanks for all the replies guys.

 Yes. It won't come apart otherwise. Bolt open, safety off, remove the bolt side receiver 1/2 1st and the saftey won't fly apart.

  Don hit the rest well. Look at the trigger pin. It is knurled on one side. The hammer pin goes either way. But out of habit I drive it out the same direction the trigger pin comes out.

[stonykill]

Yes it is the BOINGGG thing that I am worried about.
If it does that I hope that I make it go GGGNIOB!!!!!

George,make sure your safety is off or it will pop apart (boinggg). Also clock the the hammer open. The pin for the trigger only comes out one way. One side of the pin is knuckled, that's the side it comes out of. On the hammer pin either way will do. Hope this helps.  Don

LOL.... I smell some trial and error here.   I made the same discoveries.
The fun of it is.... Stony is sending me a modded part and I get to do it all again.

Yah, not as bad when I pull the piston out, when it finally gives, the wheels and pin go flying. Carp!!!😥 It happen couple of times before I cocked open the pumping arm first then pulled out the pin.😀 Oh well live and learn. Don

 LOL, pump arm open, pin pulled, one hand pulls the piston while the other hand cups the end of the wheel grooves. You catch them as they come out and they stay right on the pin. 

  I have done this stuff thousands of times 

[DonH]

Don do I cock the hammer open before taking the gun apart?
And thanks for all the replies guys.

Yes, you'll have wiggle the to have apart. You might as well add Tom's mod, the 45 degree bevel on the hammer makes a early smoother pull. Once you get that flat spring out you can cock and shoot with the sides of it will help you understand how it works.
P.S., you'll have to spread the frame at the trigger, to slide it off the frame. There is also a plastic pin on the barrel that locks on to the frame. Just pull the frame away from the barrel.  Don

[DonH]

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 LOL, pump arm open, pin pulled, one hand pulls the piston while the other hand cups the end of the wheel grooves. You catch them as they come out and they stay right on the pin. 

  I have done this stuff thousands of times 
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Ya, I'm glad I've got you guys to help me out. It would have been a lot worse if I was on my own. I really appreciate all the help! Plus all the fun and camaraderie.😀 Don

[Ragboat]

Will I did it, pulled the flat spring out with pliers like Rusty said. It is a not a flat spring now more like a u shape.
The trigger does seem to pull easier but way too much wind here in Iowa to sight it back in.
Did shoot a few rounds that were close to my aim point.
Thanks for help you have all been.

[avator]

Don do I cock the hammer open before taking the gun apart?
And thanks for all the replies guys.

 Yes. It won't come apart otherwise. Bolt open, safety off, remove the bolt side receiver 1/2 1st and the saftey won't fly apart.

  Don hit the rest well. Look at the trigger pin. It is knurled on one side. The hammer pin goes either way. But out of habit I drive it out the same direction the trigger pin comes out.

LMBO... I was re-reading this thread and it struck me... It's been several days since I installed the awesome trigger and hammer you sent me but I clearly remember putting the knurled pin in the hammer and not the trigger. Oh well, just gives me a reason to go back into it. I wanted to look at the fit of the barrel into the receiver and check the seals. I haven't been that far into this gun yet. I get out of work at around 4:00 on Wed. morning and won't have to be back until Monday morning when I go back to 1st shift. I'll see if I can squeeze it into my "to do" list.

[Methuselah]

Don do I cock the hammer open before taking the gun apart?
And thanks for all the replies guys.

 Yes. It won't come apart otherwise. Bolt open, safety off, remove the bolt side receiver 1/2 1st and the saftey won't fly apart.

  Don hit the rest well. Look at the trigger pin. It is knurled on one side. The hammer pin goes either way. But out of habit I drive it out the same direction the trigger pin comes out.

LMBO... I was re-reading this thread and it struck me... It's been several days since I installed the awesome trigger and hammer you sent me but I clearly remember putting the knurled pin in the hammer and not the trigger. Oh well, just gives me a reason to go back into it. I wanted to look at the fit of the barrel into the receiver and check the seals. I haven't been that far into this gun yet. I get out of work at around 4:00 on Wed. morning and won't have to be back until Monday morning when I go back to 1st shift. I'll see if I can squeeze it into my "to do" list.

Maybe some pics of the modded hammer?   

[avator]

LOL... I need some sticky notes.

[Methuselah]

LOL... I need some sticky notes.

Actually, I think I got it now.  I went back to the post with the colored lines and realized they had nothing to do with the "hump shape".  It took seeing the pic of trigger and hammer engaged to know how hammer let-off was accomplished.

The long vs. short spring discussions I'm still ignorant about - hopefully if I just ride out the discussion it will make sense later on 

Lots of good stuff lately, very thourough like when pump mods came up but I did just "spot" a reference in the non productive gate I really don't recall seeing;

Shim the bolt magnet to extend the bolt probe.

Food for another thread perhaps?

At least I feel better knowing I wasn't the only one confused by the colored lines 

Thanks Bill, you too Tom for not giving up on us 

[stonykill]

  I can try to get better pics. My camera clearly isn't as good as the camera's some of you guys have.


    Trust me, it took me a lot of looking and thinking to "get" the trigger myself. As simple as it is, it took a while for me to get it.

[pmo]

Tom ...as far as pictures go...it helps a lot to use a TRIPOD whenever possible...like shooting, breath and squeeze...working with my cheaper CANNON, I always turn off the AUTO FLASH and try to illuminate shadowed areas with a small light source or extra small lamp...most cameras have a MACRO setting ( NORMAL/MACRO) below center button...and this is mostly used for detail...but watch your distance from the object...if you don`t have a tripod try to brace against a solid object...you can also BOUNCE light into an area by using a WHITE BOARD or sheet of white paper...but above all avoid using the flash..I hope you don`t mind the suggestions...PHIL

[Methuselah]

  I can try to get better pics. My camera clearly isn't as good as the camera's some of you guys have.


    Trust me, it took me a lot of looking and thinking to "get" the trigger myself. As simple as it is, it took a while for me to get it.

Tom,

The tail on the left of the "assembled" group looked like a spring seat and I thought that was what you were referring to (long/short/cut coils).  You meant the one between, right?  Looks like that tail could serve as an overtravel stop?

[stonykill]

  I can try to get better pics. My camera clearly isn't as good as the camera's some of you guys have.


    Trust me, it took me a lot of looking and thinking to "get" the trigger myself. As simple as it is, it took a while for me to get it.

Tom,

The tail on the left of the "assembled" group looked like a spring seat and I thought that was what you were referring to (long/short/cut coils).  You meant the one between, right?  Looks like that tail could serve as an overtravel stop?

 I'm not sure what you are refering to as a tail.

[Methuselah]

  I can try to get better pics. My camera clearly isn't as good as the camera's some of you guys have.


    Trust me, it took me a lot of looking and thinking to "get" the trigger myself. As simple as it is, it took a while for me to get it.

Tom,

The tail on the left of the "assembled" group looked like a spring seat and I thought that was what you were referring to (long/short/cut coils).  You meant the one between, right?  Looks like that tail could serve as an overtravel stop?

 I'm not sure what you are refering to as a tail.

[stonykill]

  I can try to get better pics. My camera clearly isn't as good as the camera's some of you guys have.


    Trust me, it took me a lot of looking and thinking to "get" the trigger myself. As simple as it is, it took a while for me to get it.

Tom,

The tail on the left of the "assembled" group looked like a spring seat and I thought that was what you were referring to (long/short/cut coils).  You meant the one between, right?  Looks like that tail could serve as an overtravel stop?

 I'm not sure what you are refering to as a tail.

   That is what the Safety engages.And yes, I hve done mods to both the safety and eliminated the safety on a few and used that for an overtravel stop.

[Methuselah]

  I can try to get better pics. My camera clearly isn't as good as the camera's some of you guys have.


    Trust me, it took me a lot of looking and thinking to "get" the trigger myself. As simple as it is, it took a while for me to get it.

Tom,

The tail on the left of the "assembled" group looked like a spring seat and I thought that was what you were referring to (long/short/cut coils).  You meant the one between, right?  Looks like that tail could serve as an overtravel stop?

 I'm not sure what you are refering to as a tail.

   That is what the Safety engages.And yes, I hve done mods to both the safety and eliminated the safety on a few and used that for an overtravel stop.

Well I really was asking cause the talk about the spring - just me trying to follow along.

Why not put a hole in safety bore facing 6:00, threaded hole in safety lining up with that hole when in fire position, grub screw as overtravel stop to limit that tails movement into the safety.

Would that preserve the safety (if it would hold up...)?

[stonykill]

  I can try to get better pics. My camera clearly isn't as good as the camera's some of you guys have.


    Trust me, it took me a lot of looking and thinking to "get" the trigger myself. As simple as it is, it took a while for me to get it.

Tom,

The tail on the left of the "assembled" group looked like a spring seat and I thought that was what you were referring to (long/short/cut coils).  You meant the one between, right?  Looks like that tail could serve as an overtravel stop?

 I'm not sure what you are refering to as a tail.

   That is what the Safety engages.And yes, I hve done mods to both the safety and eliminated the safety on a few and used that for an overtravel stop.

Well I really was asking cause the talk about the spring - just me trying to follow along.

Why not put a hole in safety bore facing 6:00, threaded hole in safety lining up with that hole when in fire position, grub screw as overtravel stop to limit that tails movement into the safety.

Would that preserve the safety (if it would hold up...)?

   Well the simpler solution is to partially fill the groove in the safety with JB Weld, and then remove JUST enough material for the gun to fire.

[Rob M]

has anyone combined the flat spring removal mod with the soup can mod? sounds like it would be a very light and crisp trigger

[White Eagle]

I just did the flat spring removal to my new 880S, and what an improvement!   The last 880S I owned had a decent trigger, but the new one was very heavy.  I had never been into the trigger on one of these, but it really wasn't that hard to do this, thanks to all who contributed to this thread.