SynRod vs Disco

[Sfttailrdr46]

If you all stated your ages, it would be easier to make suggestions. 

I chose the Discovery and added a sling for two reasons.  1) I am "over the hill."  2) I ride a bicycle through the sugar cane fields to get to the hunting woods.  Several pounds more rifle would make significant differences.  When it is too muddy for the bicycle, the walking distance is about three miles.

E D I T :  If we all posted pictures of ourselves, it would be easier to make suggestions.  Hee hee

Ouch I can't subject my friends to that much pain

[Frank in Fairfield]

Nathan,
I think you are ready to with what you have.
I have a PRod waiting for the squirrel season but my main gun for a lot of years has been a Blue Streak in 5mm.
I took a few shots today.
It took four shots to re-zero the peep but then I settled down with six more.
Sitting down from 20 yards, unrested.
Now if the squirrels will give me time to pump...

[William]

not much to add to whats been said. but I'll say this for the original question.
Get the Syn-rod. It's sorta pointless modding a Disco up to a Syn-rod's features. Cost would be almost the same, just more work & still less shots per fill than the Synrod.


The condor is a very good option also, if only for a nice shot count & the ability to swap calibers easily. That single shot thing is a pain though. I thought they'd do something about that by now after all these years.

I agree 100%, I modded my Disco and by the time I got done and still ain't done, I have as much in it as 2 SynRod's or one good Cricket or even a Air Arms 510 ....

William

[Ribbonstone]

Ok....but avert your eyes if you're squeemish; old, bald, skinny guys ain't pretty.



Maggie is the shorter of the two.

[CarsonRatSniper]

LMBO! You guys are killing me reading this!

All I do is hunt - mainly Ground Squirrels & Fox Squirrels but also Raccoon, Skunk, Coyote, etc...

I've gone through all of the calibers - .177, .22, .25 & .357

I have settled on my .25 Challenger Double Tube (80 ft lbs) and my 2540 Carbine (30 ft lbs) for my 'go to' hunting tools.
The .25 Challenger is for shooting my slugs and the 2540 Carbine is for JSB Kings.
My Challenger is heavy at around 10 pounds - my 2540 Carbine sits at 6 lbs but I carry it on a single point sling.

The on game performance of a 25 simply cannot be beat - it is a certified hammer! Almost everything I've ever shot is DRT.
My Recluses are just too big for anything smaller than coyotes.

Get the .25 cal in whatever floats your boat - the weight range of available ammo covers a very large array of game to hunt.

I've always been a single shot guy - even if my first hit is slightly off mark there's been plenty of time to reload and give a coup de gras.
If you miss altogether on your first shot you need to spend more time punching paper and reading the wind and distances.

[Bicycleman]

Now that is what I would call trim, fit, and very attractive.  And Ribbonstone, you look to be very fit too.   

I got to thinking about a picture of myself - there are plenty with my Judy, my son, my daughter-in-law, and the grandsons.  Hundreds with the grandsons!!!  But I did manage to locate one of me alone from about a year ago.  I haven't changed much since then.  Hee hee

[crosman999]

Not age.  Bring on your 25 year old static, couch potato, butter ball.

If weight is an issue, then get some up-to-date hunting boots,  clothes, take a dump before you head out, and cut down the excess b.s. you haul with you. Will safe 2-3 pounds, which is the difference between a 10.5 pound rifle and a 7.5 pound one.

Did you just call Mike a Butterball?

  HAHAHAHAHA +1 on the dump

[Ribbonstone]

Picture is a couple of years old, but the most recent I have.

For me, it's the Discovery that gets most of the long walk hunting.  Not that I can't tote a 10 pound rifle, but why bother where there is no benchrest to shoot from?

As for length...it's a piece of cake.  If you want to experince a brush-catcher, try wandering the woods with a bow.

[LDP]

Why do so many people tell prospective buyers to go for a .25 for hunting squirrel? I hunt tree squirrels and ground squirrels all the time out to 60 yds with my .177 and my .22. they are all DRT. you do not need a .25 for DRT results on tree squirrels all you need is to shoot accurately. I have a .25 and it is fun to hear that huge thwack when the pellet gets there but i have never thought that i needed it to get humane kills while hunting. I have 4 choices for you based on what you are using it for. Hatsan at44 not the long version in .177 or .22 and yes i do own both calibers in this gun and they both are very accurate and get the job done on squirrels to 60 yds with ease and is the farthest i have shot squirrels but feel quite confident results would be the same at 70 yds. Evanix rainstorm in .22 based on reviews and posts of other people who have them. It is going to be my next purchase. Sumatra 2500 carbine in .22 again based on reviews of owners and i have shot the full size 2500 in .25 and it was very powerful and accurate. Mrod in .25 and yes i just said you do not need .25 but i feel if you are set on an mrod the .25 gives you the best chance of having an accurate mrod from the box. What ever you choose accuracy over power is what gives you DRT results and all the airguns i listed have a reputation for being accurate and some are also very powerful even in .177 and .22.

[Ribbonstone]

Not because it's a .25 or that he needs the power, but because he was considering a S-rod and the "Crosman Barrel lottery" odds are way in your favor.  Way too many unpleasant .22 barrels, better odds in .177, best odds in .25.

If you took the above out of the equation, would go for a .22.

[Tommy]

My vote would be Disco Mine is a pleasure to shoot and if i cant kill with one shot then the shot isnt good. It is .22 with lots of power as is with a power adjuster
.This is me inside and out
OLD
Tommy

Oh ya I guess i got one off the good barrels
Shooting flys at 20 yds

[LDP]

Not because it's a .25 or that he needs the power, but because he was considering a S-rod and the "Crosman Barrel lottery" odds are way in your favor.  Way too many unpleasant .22 barrels, better odds in .177, best odds in .25.

If you took the above out of the equation, would go for a .22.

Yes i already said that in my post. Some people do not recommend the .25 based on quality  but rather on power as if that much power is needed for humanely killing a squirrel and that is what i do not understand.

[William]

My vote would be Disco Mine is a pleasure to shoot and if i cant kill with one shot then the shot isnt good. It is .22 with lots of power as is with a power adjuster
.This is me inside and out
OLD
Tommy

Oh ya I guess i got one off the good barrels
Shooting flys at 20 yds

Tommy, how did you get a pic of my neck - I have had 2 Disc fused a few years ago. Still going strong though, well maybe half strong lol

Me with my Wife a few years ago or less... Would have been better if the sun wasnt blinding me lol


William

[Sfttailrdr46]

Not because it's a .25 or that he needs the power, but because he was considering a S-rod and the "Crosman Barrel lottery" odds are way in your favor.  Way too many unpleasant .22 barrels, better odds in .177, best odds in .25.

If you took the above out of the equation, would go for a .22.

Yes I already said that in my post. Some people do not recommend the .25 based on quality  but rather on power as if that much power is needed for humanely killing a squirrel and that is what i do not understand.

The .25 or a heavy .22 domed pellet will be less affected by the wind  at distance I own rifles in all 3 calibers in pcp and .22 and .177 springers the heavy pellets are best and there fore maybe the .25 is over kill for smaller game but if you are considering larger pests as well the .25 is a better choice when all else is equal such as fps because fpe will be greater with a heavy pellet traveling at the same speed down range  . We all prefer to place accurate shots and have clean kills try out several of the rifles that interest you before buying that works out cheaper in the long run

[CarsonRatSniper]

That's exactly why I suggested the .25 - all around a more useful caliber for a wider variety of applications.

Since everybody else is showing pics...here's me at 44 years old. 5'7" @ 240 lbs

Yes, I live at the gym when not at home or work.

[NJMevec]

LMBO! You guys are killing me reading this!

All I do is hunt - mainly Ground Squirrels & Fox Squirrels but also Raccoon, Skunk, Coyote, etc...

I've gone through all of the calibers - .177, .22, .25 & .357

I have settled on my .25 Challenger Double Tube (80 ft lbs) and my 2540 Carbine (30 ft lbs) for my 'go to' hunting tools.
The .25 Challenger is for shooting my slugs and the 2540 Carbine is for JSB Kings.
My Challenger is heavy at around 10 pounds - my 2540 Carbine sits at 6 lbs but I carry it on a single point sling.

The on game performance of a 25 simply cannot be beat - it is a certified hammer! Almost everything I've ever shot is DRT.
My Recluses are just too big for anything smaller than coyotes.

Get the .25 cal in whatever floats your boat - the weight range of available ammo covers a very large array of game to hunt.

I've always been a single shot guy - even if my first hit is slightly off mark there's been plenty of time to reload and give a coup de gras.
If you miss altogether on your first shot you need to spend more time punching paper and reading the wind and distances.

My one issue with single shots are paper punching actually. I love just shooting shot after shot not thinking about anything but shooting...although I usually wet away more pellets with a mag so...single shot it is! AirForce now which one...Condor SS or Escape SS

[LDP]

Not because it's a .25 or that he needs the power, but because he was considering a S-rod and the "Crosman Barrel lottery" odds are way in your favor.  Way too many unpleasant .22 barrels, better odds in .177, best odds in .25.

If you took the above out of the equation, would go for a .22.

Yes I already said that in my post. Some people do not recommend the .25 based on quality  but rather on power as if that much power is needed for humanely killing a squirrel and that is what i do not understand.

The .25 or a heavy .22 domed pellet will be less affected by the wind  at distance I own rifles in all 3 calibers in pcp and .22 and .177 springers the heavy pellets are best and there fore maybe the .25 is over kill for smaller game but if you are considering larger pests as well the .25 is a better choice when all else is equal such as fps because fpe will be greater with a heavy pellet traveling at the same speed down range  . We all prefer to place accurate shots and have clean kills try out several of the rifles that interest you before buying that works out cheaper in the long run

Yes that is true a heavier projectile traveling the same speed or faster than the lighter one will have its advantages for drop and wind drift. Yes the .25 is nice when you are hunting small and medium to large size animals and by large i mean coons and rock chuck size not pigs or larger as that is another topic But what the op is wanting advice on is small game hunting mostly squirrels @ ranges of 30 - 40 yds in heavy forest settings. So it sounds as tho no larger animals and @ 30 - 40 yds in thicker cover. I dont believe the .25 will give any advantage over the .22. I really dont even consider the drift and drop as part of the deciding factor anyway at least within 50 yds because it still boils down to accuracy. If you cannot accurately shoot a .22 for clean kills then you will do marginally better with a .25. It has been argued over and over that larger calibers do not make up for poor accuracy.

  Think about the comment poor accuracy. I define poor accuracy as not only having problems with placing the shot where it should go under calm conditions but also not being able to figure out the range accurately  to allow for proper drop compensation or not being able to figure out compensation for wind drift. If you cannot get the drop correct with a .22 i doubt you will with a .25 since it will still suffer from an arc trajectory. If you cannot guesstimate the wind very good and get poor hits with a .22 then you will still get poor hits with a .25 as it will also be affected by drift.
5 mph crosswind at 90 degrees
.25 king 25.4 gr. 868 fps:  wind drift @ 40 yds 0.92"           Drop @ 40 yds with a 30 yd zero 0.51"

.22 jsb heavy 18.0 gr. 868 fps: Wind drift @ 40 yds 1.41"     Drop @ 40 yds with a 30 yd zero 0.61"

So with a .25 at the same velocity as a .22 both using very popular pellets for the calibers and using ranges the op will be hunting in the .25 beats the .22 by only .5" in wind drift at 40 yds. The .25 only beats the .22 in drop by .10" at 40 yds. I do not see where the .25 atleast in the conditions the op will be using this airgun to hunt with will be any kind of advantage that will make for an easier humane kill.

I then put in a 15 mph crosswind and the difference at 40 yds was still only 1.5" inches less drift for the .25. The .25 would be drifting almost 3" at 40 yds with a 15 mph crosswind so you would have to adjust for it and would not allow for a dead hold in that condition. So if the shooter was using the .25 in 15 mph crosswinds and shooting at 40 yds they would still have to accurately dope for the wind for a clean kill. I dont consider a gut shot a clean kill no matter what you shoot it with and that might be a little to stringent but i was raised that when shooting game the only two shots you make are a heart and lung or a head shot for a clean fast kill with out causing meat to be lost due to contamination or lost game. Stretch the distance out to 100 yds and then you get a very different story but the op stated a max of 40 yds and within 40 yds i do not see the .25 beating the .22 enough in drift and drop to make that the deciding factor for an airgun.

[CarsonRatSniper]

C'mon man...you KNOW once the air gun bug has bitten and the hunting addiction begins he will want to hunt more things than just squirrels.
Get the Condor SS in .25 - if that's just too much for your bushytails just buy a .22 barrel for them...that way you ALWAYS have that quarter bore for when the need/mood arises.

I love my big bore Recluses...I don't like pumping like a madman with my Hill Mk3 though!

My 500cc Recluse takes 340 strokes to pump it up from 1200 psi = No Fun!
I do get 10 full power shots and 10 use able shots but you get my drift.

I have found that for squirrel hunting having 20 shots before refill is usually more than adequate for a walk in the woods.

That's just me but a point to consider when looking at tank volume.

I forgot to add - my 37 grain Spitzer Hollow Point driven out of a Condor SS will give a fantastic BC and low wind drift...with a .22 cal you're stuck with diabolo style skirted pellets.
NOT SO with a .25 cal

[LDP]

C'mon man...you KNOW once the air gun bug has bitten and the hunting addiction begins he will want to hunt more things than just squirrels.
Get the Condor SS in .25 - if that's just too much for your bushytails just buy a .22 barrel for them...that way you ALWAYS have that quarter bore for when the need/mood arises.

I love my big bore Recluses...I don't like pumping like a madman with my Hill Mk3 though!

My 500cc Recluse takes 340 strokes to pump it up from 1200 psi = No Fun!
I do get 10 full power shots and 10 use able shots but you get my drift.

I have found that for squirrel hunting having 20 shots before refill is usually more than adequate for a walk in the woods.

That's just me but a point to consider when looking at tank volume.

I forgot to add - my 37 grain Spitzer Hollow Point driven out of a Condor SS will give a fantastic BC and low wind drift...with a .22 cal you're stuck with diabolo style skirted pellets.
NOT SO with a .25 cal

No doubts there. I also love the bigger heavy hitters and that is why i have owned 3 different .25 airguns. .25 mrod, .25 at44 long and a condor ss .25. The noise of the .25 hitting something always puts a smile on my face. I find my higher power .22 puts a smile on my face with its impact also but it is not quite as loud as my .25 is Mike it sounds like you need to get a tank so you can start shooting those recluses more

[CarsonRatSniper]

I've got my eye on a Shoebox Freedom 8 + Guppy but first things first...I'm investing $5k into full blown production equipment for my slugs.
I want them available as a stocked shelf item at your favorite places to buy pellets!