Guns without buzz and twang out of the box?

[darren]

rws 54

[Marc]

I have really grown to like air guns over the last year.  I just don't have the time, tools, or experience to work on springers.

If I could find one that shot great out of the box, a break barrel would be of interest.

If not I may just go with MSP's.

Any thoughts welcome!

[Kailua]

My thoughts on the matter is you may buy a brand new $700 piston air rifle and may or may not get it with a twang or buzz unless you get it tuned by sending it too or buying it tuned from the dealer.  Given a budget I am sure someone can give you a ball park price on what a tuned rifle may be depending on the model.   If it is a piston break barrel you are looking there are the gas piston airguns that would not have those problems.  As for those choices the Beeman RX2 would be the best choice I know of.  Then there are the Hatsan gas piston air rifles.  The reason why I mention the Hatsan is only because Gene Curtis had given it a solid review.  JMO

[Booger]

Target work and squirrel hunting this fall - sold all my springers, and may not go back.  Considering a 397 or 392, but still like break barrels too.

A mac 1 tuned 392 is the Bomb from what I heard, another bucket list gun.

[OleTomCat]

I have really grown to like air guns over the last year.  I just don't have the time, tools, or experience to work on springers.

If I could find one that shot great out of the box, a break barrel would be of interest.

If not I may just go with MSP's.

Any thoughts welcome!

Marc,

I have two I could sell you...

[DD789]

Target work and squirrel hunting this fall - sold all my springers, and may not go back.  Considering a 397 or 392, but still like break barrels too.

A mac 1 tuned 392 is the Bomb from what I heard, another bucket list gun.

Getting to the 14th pump is quite a work out my 392 isn't steroided yet but the Silver Streak is.

[mbouchpcp]

I just want to buy and shoot a gun right now, and not tinker or tune.  Are there any models that you can just shoot, that won't have a lot of buzz and twang out of the box?

When decision time came I fired the LGV. I then fired a highly tuned TX200 that was a few feet away.  I fired the LGV one more time and bought it. It had some twang but no buzz. 

IMHO you need to a either buy a springer and have it tuned, or not buy a springer if spring gun characteristics are not to your liking.  Note that I sent the gun to Motorhead to have the optional "Tuning Trigger" installed and tweaked.  While the gun was out, Motorhead also tuned the LGV.  The gun came back with a great trigger and no twang.  The only sound when fired was (and is) is a thunk. I heard claims of nothing but a thunk in the past, but this was the first time I have actually experienced such for myself.

I would not have tuned the gun except for the fact that Motorhead already had it. I was never bothered by a little twang. But that's me. 

Best wishes with your search.

[Bryan Heimann]

If you want a gun with no buzz or twang right out of the box, your only sure thing is to have it shipped directly to a tuner before it comes to your door.  Another good option would be to order from mike melick at flying dragon.  Call instead of ordering on-line and talk to him about exactly what kind of results you expect from the tune so he can make a good reccommendation.  Even the best high end springers are sometimes twangy right out of the box.  Even the TX200, even the pro-sport, even the Walther LGV.  You can go with a gas ram gun, but you still may need to tinker or tune, especially with the trigger because most gas rams under $650 have triggers that need a little work.  If you must have a twang-free rifle and you refuse to go with a tune or do it yourself, I imagine that the Weirauch HW90/Beeman RX2 will do.  These are gas ram rifles, equipped with the theoben gas ram.  They are essentially the same gun dressed a little bit differently.  But these are powerful magnums.  They are heavy, hold sensitive, and not easy to cock.  Good luck my friend.

Edit- that said, even the high priced RX2 may benefit from a de-bur and lube.  May even need a fresh piston seal, or even need the gas ram adjusted to your liking or a breech seal shim or SOMETHING.  Go with a tune right out of the box.  The most value for your dollar will be to order a gun from mike at flying dragon.  Make sure you call and talk to him about what you want, don't just click and pay.  He is a good dude and will build/tune to your expectations and make sure you are satisfied.

[Oldgringo]

What is "buzz" and "twang"?     I don't think my HW50S nor my R7 have any "buzz" or "twang".  My Diana 34 also doesn't "honk" - as I understand "honking".

Did I get exceptional rifles or do I just don't know nothin'?   

[Kailua]

What is "buzz" and "twang"?     I don't think my HW50S nor my R7 have any "buzz" or "twang".  My Diana 34 also doesn't "honk" - as I understand "honking".

Did I get exceptional rifles or do I just don't know nothin'?   

No guaranties off the shelf out of the box. 

[ReturnTrip]

I have really grown to like air guns over the last year. I just don't have the time, tools, or experience to work on springers.

If I could find one that shot great out of the box, a break barrel would be of interest.

If not I may just go with MSP's.

Any thoughts welcome!

You would enjoy a TX200.

Two allen wrenches are all you need to strip all the internals.

I reckon I can strip mine down and put it back together in five minutes, if I try.

It's actually made it more fun to work on knowing how easy it is.

That being said, it still made noise from the factory. I don't think any gun exists that doesn't benefit from a proper tune and lube.

[ptpalpha]

IMHO you need to a either buy a springer and have it tuned, or not buy a springer if spring gun characteristics are not to your liking.

Pretty much sums it up, although for some reason it seems to be a fact lots of people can't come to terms with.  Yes, spring guns occasionally come out of the box with great accuracy and smooth, twang-free shot cycles.  Is that the norm?  No.  Can you reasonably expect it?  No.  Does paying more for a springer increase your odds of accuracy and smoothness?  No.  Will all springers, regardless of brand and price, benefit from a tune?  Yes.
That's just the way it is. 
Everyone can complain about, say that it's not right, say the manufacturers should be ashamed of themselves, say people who spend a lot on a springer only to immediately spend more to have it tuned are crazy, whatever.
All I know is this:  I love spring-powered air rifles.  I love working on them, shooting them, reading about them, looking at pictures of them, talking about them with others who share my passion for them, and constantly, CONSTANTLY trying to think of ways to make mine better.
My next air rifle will be an HW97.  The first thing I'll do with it after pulling it out of the box is take it apart and de-burr all the edges, polish the ends of the spring, clean everything with hot soapy water, give it the best lubes in the right places, and go through the Rekord trigger.  After that I'll put it all back together, and shoot it to determine what else it might need.
Why?  Because it's a springer.  I knew that when I bought it.

[Oldgringo]

What is "buzz" and "twang"?     I don't think my HW50S nor my R7 have any "buzz" or "twang".  My Diana 34 also doesn't "honk" - as I understand "honking".

Did I get exceptional rifles or do I just don't know nothin'?   

No guaranties off the shelf out of the box.

...or out of the showroom, I got that part. 

How do I recognize "buzz" and "twang"?  A flying insect buzzes and a guitar twangs and a goose honks.  Are those sounds what I should be looking/listening for?

[ptpalpha]

The way I'd describe it is that I'm hoping to only feel a solid "thunk" when I pull the trigger.  No vibration, (or buzzing, twanging, etc) nothing that sounds like there's a spring inside there.  Just the sound of the piston seal hitting the bottom of a column of air. 
How's that for a vague description? 

[stevemag]

When I first experienced "twang" on my rws 34, I actually thought I had made the term up. It was the first word that came to mind to describe the annoying vibration that gave me a headache and rattled my teeth. Greg, if you have a gun that's twangy you'd know it.