NP2 much improved but not for me

[Stickstoff]

Was that cushion part # ELS-011 and was the piston a different design than the stock one you took out?

I think the NP2 Recoil Arrest is the guide at the front that Craymar was talking about. Pretty sure it's supposed to expand at the end of the shot cycle and keep the piston from rebounding.

[Perry01]

Yea, that's the part # and the gas piston was the same as the original.

I thought the guide helps with reducing cocking effort.

[grand-galop]

Someone on the yellow did a nice review including chrony numbers. He got an average of 762 fps using 14.3 gr pellets which is 18.5 FPE.
Can you provide a link to this test?? It would be appreciated.. Thanks

[Stickstoff]

I was looking for that link too. Not knocking that forum but I find it hard to navigate/find what I'm looking for.

[Bullit]

I didn't see any mention of the cocking force,  a part of the new project design.
Can you measure it on your bathroom scale?   Compare it to your D34, for folks to see something to equate against?

[huklbery]

I didn't see any mention of the cocking force,  a part of the new project design.
Can you measure it on your bathroom scale?   Compare it to your D34, for folks to see something to equate against?

I don't have a scale but I'll check tonight back to back against these three rifles.  For a standard gas spring gun though I did find it improved, just not to the level I had hoped from the initial shot show write ups.  I have not sent it back yet,  since Mondays Tom Gaylord's blog may reveal something I'm missing.  Since he hasn't published a second article I'm thinking he ran into issues with his as well though thats of course speculation on my part.  At this point I'm 95% certain I'm sending it back as a D34 is a much better match for my shooting enjoyment.   

 

[Perry01]

Crosman claims a reduction of cocking force of 10 lbs for the new NP2.

Here is the link to the review:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1400984955/1401071815/Benjamin+NP2+.22+cal+1st+impression

[huklbery]

Crosman claims a reduction of cocking force of 10 lbs for the new NP2.

Here is the link to the review:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1400984955/1401071815/Benjamin+NP2+.22+cal+1st+impression

My experience mirrors this fellows, they did a real improvement all the way around.  Bottom line though is its at the D34's price point and aside from raw power the D34 has it beat.  I also note he found the firing cycle harsh enough to remark about it.  I too was expecting more from the additional cushion behind the seal.  I suspect it much likes Hatsan's SAS, its still a springer and power and hold sensitivity go hand and hand. 

[Stickstoff]

The one thing I've seen most commonly mentioned is cracking (of what sounds like) the breech end shroud cap. With the cracks being so common it must be either material choice or assembly. If the NP2 shroud goes on like the NP/NPXL shround maybe they need to get the boys on the line a torque limited driver for assembling the shroud...

Stickstoff, you old gasser, I think you might be on to something....


I was just reading the PA blog entry on the NP2 and spotted this bit of text: "Unfortunately, the shroud unscrews from the barrel, and the rear portion of the shroud is made from plastic. People may overtighten their shrouds, causing this plastic to crack."

So the shroud does screw on in some fashion and these cracks with the plastic part of the shroud are probably from over-torquing during assembly. Yep, get those guys some sort of torque limiting driver to install the shrouds with and cut your returns by a large margin.

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/06/benjamin-trail-nitro-piston-2-part-1/

[johnnail]

You know America could produce a truly great airgun. Darn shame Crossman/Benjamin won't commit to it

[chet]

You know America could produce a truly great airgun. Darn shame Crossman/Benjamin won't commit to it

   John

     You got that right. i waited for these reports on the new NP2. i like the piston concept with the rear bearings. but as for the rest of the gun. sort of disappointing so far. i was hoping to hear of accuracy to compare to the 34

    Chet

[Laz]

You know America could produce a truly great airgun. Darn shame Crossman/Benjamin won't commit to it

You got that right! Just look at the versatility of the Airforce pcp guns. What we need is a top notch springer to maybe compete with these TX's and Weihrauchs  Beeman did a good job of just slapping nice stocks on German guns though.

Crosman/Benjamin just need an actual "high-end" line/series ie $400-500+ springer and something that's not the Rogue price. Enough of the over-hyped, non innovative stuff they've been putting out.

[grand-galop]

 :-[There is a lot of company that made better air rifle then Crosman/Benjamin.. Just look at Hatsan hole line of product and THEY live up to their claim and reputation.. It`s not so much about the Crosman price or QC certification that I`m not happy with.. It`s their falsely advertise claims they never met.. The trail NP for an exemple is a great gun when you can tune it yourself.. Good power for the price, nice grouping when you can manage to revised every screws and replace those plastic washer to hold the barrel.. My burn come from their not meet claim and low quality of assembling if you compare to other company.. I have better shooting experience with the Hatsan 85 sniper and the RWS 34 compact than any Crosman/Benjamin line.. I`d rather buy a trail NP at discount and fiddle with it than buy their new NP2..

[johnnail]

You know America could produce a truly great airgun. Darn shame Crossman/Benjamin won't commit to it

You got that right! Just look at the versatility of the Airforce pcp guns. What we need is a top notch springer to maybe compete with these TX's and Weihrauchs  Beeman did a good job of just slapping nice stocks on German guns though.

Crosman/Benjamin just need an actual "high-end" line/series ie $400-500+ springer and something that's not the Rogue price. Enough of the over-hyped, non innovative stuff they've been putting out.

I would gladly pay $500 for a high quality, American made, gas piston, breakbarrel.....are you listening Crossman?

[Perry01]

Made in America isn't going to happen at the current price. Assembled in USA using Chinese steel and other components is the key for Crosman to keep the price down.

[huklbery]

Made in America isn't going to happen at the current price. Assembled in USA using Chinese steel and other components is the key for Crosman to keep the price down.

I agree, the Walther LGV's haven't exactly been flying off the shelves.  I still think this is a very good platform, they addressed every aspect wildcat tuners have been performing for years.  The trigger spring could do with some less lawyer force and if you get the luck of the draw decent chinese barrel bob's your uncle. 

Would mine break in and settle down to be like the one Gaylord experienced at the Shot show?   I don't know, I'm waiting for his second report just in case I'm missing something.  I do not wish to take advantage of Pyramyd and return a rifle that I simply don't like, but in this case its an improved trail not a phenomenal rifle in my book.  If a gas spring or 18 over 14 ftlbs was important to me it could very well be better choice than the Umarex Octane, Gamo or Hatsan products it competes with.   

[grand-galop]

quote{  If a gas spring or 18 over 14 ftlbs was important to me it could very well be better choice than the Umarex Octane, Gamo or Hatsan products it competes with. }
I need to ask you if you ever shoot a Hatsan or a Umarex first off?? I don't want to be rude but I have and my personal impression after having shooting the Hatsan or the Walter was a WAY more better feeling experience.. I don't try to make it a ^*%$#@ contest here.. Just want to know if you have experience other brand in the same power range... My personal input is nothing more than based on their QUALITY OF BUILD AND SHOOTING FEELING.. I just want to know what other have for evaluation on the subject..  Thanks

[huklbery]

quote{  If a gas spring or 18 over 14 ftlbs was important to me it could very well be better choice than the Umarex Octane, Gamo or Hatsan products it competes with. }
I need to ask you if you ever shoot a Hatsan or a Umarex first off?? I don't want to be rude but I have and my personal impression after having shooting the Hatsan or the Walter was a WAY more better feeling experience.. I don't try to make it a ^*%$#@ contest here.. Just want to know if you have experience other brand in the same power range... My personal input is nothing more than based on their QUALITY OF BUILD AND SHOOTING FEELING.. I just want to know what other have for evaluation on the subject..  Thanks

Not the Umarex, or recent Gamo's Gas spring, I have several Hatsans and only one gas spring Hatsan.  So if you notice I do not make any claims about what I have not shot I suspect you are reading way to much into my comments.  In truth I don't think the two days and 500 pellets are more than an impression on the NP2.  I have a wide range of airguns FX Royal 400 to a metal receiver Baikal 61 somewhere over 30 air rifles, I'm just another enthusiast. 

That said, given a D34 or an NP2 Trail the NP2 trail would gather dust.   I do also agree I'm not keen on 18+ ftlb springers the only one I keep is my D48, so the NP2 trail isn't going to be on my list as the piston rebound cushion is like the Hatsan SAS, its there but its still a springer.

[Airgun.Sniper]

Seems about the same from what I've heard. glad i canceled my order

[Steeb86]

Personally, I'm not willing to spend $250 on 18~fpe when I have a .22 nitro venom that produces nearly 18fpe at $100+ cheaper and is more accurate than I am.  It shoots a ragged hole at 25+yds.  If I were to spend $250 or more on a gun at this point it would need to be one quality piece of equipment.(Diana or even higher end). My venom + gtx trigger + bushing and washers will easily outshoot the np2 I'd be willing to wager.  I just can't wrap my head around putting a small profit margin over producing exceptional quality goods when, in all honesty, the air gunning niche is what it is.  We, like firearms enthusiasts, demand a quality product so we spend the dough.  Why not boost your reputation AND profits by making EVERYTHING right the first time?