Tired of pumping (video link updated)

[shorty]

Well, I have had the .22 synrod and benji pump now for a couple months. Everything is great except for pumping. Last weekend I boosted the pump and it still is a pain ( even though boosting cut the pumps in half). Pumping just kind of ruins the fun sometimes.

Planning on motorizing the pump like the videos on youtube. I seen only one for sale from Co2 airguns. $998.00 are you kidding?

So it looks like the biggest cost will be the motor assembly for me. I just want to get the motor and gear box right on paper first before buying one. So, if anyone knows about the Lbs per inch ratings on  DC right angle drive motors, I can use some help.

It looks like 1300 lbs/in is needed for the task.Meaning, 8.5 inch radius and 150 lbs push pull torque/power. I was looking at a 1/4 horse DC right angle drive motor with a 100:1 gear box. I just don't know if that would do it ? any thoughts ?

Gathering up the steel this week to work on the frame over the weekend.

[Sfttailrdr46]

  I'm impressed as the say necessity is the mother of invention. I'm just getting lazy in my old age and will just throw money at the problem. I'm happy with the Freedom 8 and Guppy tank, but since I hooked my brother with an Evanix Rainstorm II he shared the cost of the pump 

[s500]

I got tired of pumping real quick too. I just ordered shoebox 8 and guppy tank from airtanks for sale. They say it will refill gun about 12 times. I get about 35-40 shots per fill so that should plenty for when I go to my place in the country. I just hate that I spent the money on the hand pump. Should have gotten the shoebox to start with

[avator]

I never did buy a pump, I shopped craigslist and found my 100cf 3300 psi alum. tank for $70. I added the fill valve, whip, tests and first fill for less than the $140 it would have cost to bundle the pump with my FD-PCP. Our local fire dept fills it for a nominal yearly donation and we get around 330 fills from a tank. Our guns only fill to 1500psi.

[darrenf]

Well, I have had the .22 synrod and benji pump now for a couple months. Everything is great except for pumping. Last weekend I boosted the pump and it still is a pain ( even though boosting cut the pumps in half). Pumping just kind of ruins the fun sometimes.

Planning on motorizing the pump like the videos on youtube. I seen only one for sale from Co2 airguns. $998.00 are you kidding?

So it looks like the biggest cost will be the motor assembly for me. I just want to get the motor and gear box right on paper first before buying one. So, if anyone knows about the Lbs per inch ratings on  DC right angle drive motors, I can use some help.

It looks like 1300 lbs/in is needed for the task.Meaning, 8.5 inch radius and 150 lbs push pull torque/power. I was looking at a 1/4 horse DC right angle drive motor with a 100:1 gear box. I just don't know if that would do it ? any thoughts ?

Gathering up the steel this week to work on the frame over the weekend.

How did you (boost) the pump?

[bubba zanetti]

Yeah, I am interested in 'how' the pump was boosted too.

I just entered the darkside and should take delivery of the .25 M-rod I bought tomorrow.

To add, and I cannot think of a nice way to ask, but is pumping really that bad or are you guys old and out of shape? I understand if someone has an injury or arthritis but many a pump are sold and it seems odd not everyone dumps their pump for a shoebox/ Freedom 8 and guppy tank.

Outside of the convenience factor, what gives?

BZ

[WNCmotard]

Pumping isn't that bad, depending on the gun. Pumping up my .177 Srod isn't too bad, but pumping my P rod is cake by comparison. I would not want to hand pump anything with a large air tank, like the AF guns. I boosted my hill pump, best thing I ever did.

[jeff76]

pumping isn't that bad, its harder than turning a valve or flipping a switch. im only 30 though and in pretty good shape.  I would love to have a 6k nitrogen set up though. when money permits I will im sure.

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Well I'm 67 and using the hand pump before I can shoot cuts into my play and as an aside for an old fart not in bad shape either just lazy

[bubba zanetti]

Well I'm 67 and using the hand pump before I can shoot cuts into my play and as an aside for an old fart not in bad shape either just lazy

"Just Lazy" is an appropriate response LOL! But you should add Just Lazy and I have the MONEY to toss the pump!

BZ

[darrenf]

Can someone please elaborate on this "pump boosting"?  Is there a kit available?

[HYspd]

a searching for pump boosting from the Gateway "menu page" (other forums call it the forum menu or forum listing) will get you all you want to know...basically you use an 80psi OIL LESS compressor regulated down to 20psi to feed the pump...

the real question is how power are you playing with?...at the range shooting an average of 2 shots a minute...


a 15fpe .177 pumping is a viable option 1/2 hour of pumping gets you an hour of shooting..


my .25 BT65 at 55fpe other the other hand makes hand pumping a joke, pump for an hour to shoot for 15 minutes..


and there are the "Range Clowns" that laugh and ask how your bicycle is doing while they shoot store bought PB ammo....which is where the big .25s and it's bigger and badder cousins come into play, when you shoot better groups at 100 yard than the PB guys with the big mouths...

[darrenf]

a searching for pump boosting from the Gateway "menu page" (other forums call it the forum menu or forum listing) will get you all you want to know...basically you use an 80psi OIL LESS compressor regulated down to 20psi to feed the pump...

the real question is how power are you playing with?...at the range shooting an average of 2 shots a minute...


a 15fpe .177 pumping is a viable option 1/2 hour of pumping gets you an hour of shooting..


my .25 BT65 at 55fpe other the other hand makes hand pumping a joke, pump for an hour to shoot for 15 minutes..


and there are the "Range Clowns" that laugh and ask how your bicycle is doing while they shoot store bought PB ammo....which is where the big .25s and it's bigger and badder cousins come into play, when you shoot better groups at 100 yard than the PB guys with the big mouths...

Thanks.  I found this thread... http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=62664.0  Helps a bit, but I was hoping for a parts list to go from my Benjamin pump to my air compressor hose.   Guess I'll have to experiment a bit.

And to the second part of your post, each shot from my Disco requires 5 pumps on the Benji pump.  Gets exhausting pretty quickly.

[s500]

Where to begin? I'm only 55 years so I don't think that means I'm old. I really do not have much trouble getting it up to about 2200 lbs, but after that I am not heavy enough to use my weight to to pump it. I only 160 lbs. I have to pick my feet of the floor and bounce on it. I have the aa s500. Yea I think I will enjoy shooting more when I get my shoebox, why make things harder than they have to be?

[Sfttailrdr46]

  why make things harder than they have to be?

S500 gets it yes I can do the Hill pump and at 5'10" 225 lb no problem pumping even the  Condor but if I want to sweat I will go out in my 18 ft kayak or ride my Cannondale  road bike both are more fun to sweat doing than standing in one place and breaking a sweat before I can have any fun

[shorty]

You guys must be in better shape than I. Iam 41, 5' 6",220 lbs drink,  smoke, have 2 kids, a crazy wife,and a full time job.. I pump 40 to 60 times per fill ( 1950psi to 2600 psi or so) I get somewhere around 40 to 50 shots but I like to shoot more and I really don't have the money for a compressor or shoebox. I sweat when I am done pumping. It just not worthy, but shooting is so much fun when your arms are not shaking and you need another beer and smoke to start shooting again.

Anyway, I am glad a few people are watching the post as I find my parts build for the electric pump ( AS SEEN ON YOUTUBE ).

It's looking like metal cost will be under $30.00 and the motors are looking like under $100.00 on Ebay.

I have a chop saw and a small wire feed welder. Some electronics know how and bam. Can't wait till the weekend to get some time in the workshop.

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Go for it I am watching with bated breath. Still drinking just not as much as before second marriage, quit smoking when I started going out in an ocean kayak some unexpected ugly weather and thoughts of imminent death convinced me to quit. Now all I need to do is loose 25 lbs and see my shoes to tie them and I'll be a happy camper. Also then I won't be gasping for air and shaking from exhaustion when I go out west to do some elk hunting with a .357 PCP 

[crosman999]

Pumping puts hair on your chest!!hahahaha I have no issues pumping but a tank makes it a whole lot easier when hunting that's for sure.

[cooter472]

I think I cheated and missed out on the fun of pumping, I went straight for the 6K nitro and haven't looked back. It takes me 20 sec to fill my .25 S-Rod. Initial set up is rough but after that its less than what I spend on Polar Pops a year gotta have my Dr. Pepper. Now the serious part, don't skimp on your hardware. I did a lot of research finding where the B&C guy gets there parts, I went to the A guy and saved money. 6K is dangerous if you don't follow recommendations. My regulator was purchased used with a guarantee and its American built and serviced, sourced the bleed off valve, a real American built Foster fitting from Mac 1 (NOT A KNOCK OFF), my fill hose was ordered from Ralston industries also American built and family owned and ran. Total cost is around $225 and $86/yr lease on tank and $95 for the material

[RMM]

Well, I have had the .22 synrod and benji pump now for a couple months. Everything is great except for pumping. Last weekend I boosted the pump and it still is a pain ( even though boosting cut the pumps in half). Pumping just kind of ruins the fun sometimes.

Planning on motorizing the pump like the videos on youtube. I seen only one for sale from Co2 airguns. $998.00 are you kidding?

So it looks like the biggest cost will be the motor assembly for me. I just want to get the motor and gear box right on paper first before buying one. So, if anyone knows about the Lbs per inch ratings on  DC right angle drive motors, I can use some help.

It looks like 1300 lbs/in is needed for the task.Meaning, 8.5 inch radius and 150 lbs push pull torque/power. I was looking at a 1/4 horse DC right angle drive motor with a 100:1 gear box. I just don't know if that would do it ? any thoughts ?

Gathering up the steel this week to work on the frame over the weekend.

Best of luck with your DC motorized pump.  I myself couldn't find a way to use a DC motor gearbox without an AC to DC converter/controller @ 6amp minimum so that's were I found it cost prohibitive and where I stopped.  I'm sure if you have a working plan you will be having a lots watching your build, including me.

I did however build a copy of a gentleman's on Yellow using a 110VAC, 3/4 hp, 56C, 1750 rpm motor, 40:1  Tigear 200 series gearbox @ 626"# output and Benji pump but it weighs in at 101# but I've got under $300 for all.   (FYI, 60:1 would have been much better/easier on the pump)