Lost in tank land, need help. Air Venturi/Ninja or Joe B. or...?

[the sloth]

Hi everyone - I'm shopping for a fill setup and need some guidance.

I have two Marauders and want to have an alternative to pumping during hot summer outings. I like the idea of a portable tank for camping and travel, so I've been looking at "guppy" tanks. Would like to buy new. So far I've come across Joe B's tank (18 CF @ $389) and PA's Air Venturi/Ninja PB tank (16.2 CF @ as low as $250 with discounts).

So I have to ask, is Joe B's slightly larger tank really worth the extra $100+? The hardware looks robust, but will I even notice the difference? How is the Air Venturi tank quality-wise? Are there any other manufacturers I should consider?

Thanks all for your help.

[turbonoma]

I can tell you from experience that you can't go wrong with Joe's tanks. Built to the highest quality,well worth the extra bucks. I have one of his guppy tanks.Go for it and Joe is a great guy to boot.

[vigilandy]

I'm in a similar situation.  Looking for a portable tank for my dad.  Another option you have is the Benjamin tank from Crosman.  DIN valve, microbore hose, and priced between the Ninja/Venturi and Joe B.  So far,  I'm favoring the Ninja because it comes with a male foster fitting.  I can fill by just connecting to the bigger tank.  Crosman and Joe B tanks will require another buying an adapter. 

As for size....  Look at the actual CI stated on the label.  I've been told that Cu Ft numbers can differ based on how the calculations are done.

[Sfttailrdr46]

   After looking at all the tank setups I opted for Joe B's Guppy set up with dual gauges and a Freedom 8 compressor . No hands on yet with the tanks yet but they just look very robust and I have not seen any negative posts about his tanks. I agree with the portability for a carry setup and will probably pick up a back pack for the field

[starlingassassin]

Hi everyone - I'm shopping for a fill setup and need some guidance.

I have two Marauders and want to have an alternative to pumping during hot summer outings. I like the idea of a portable tank for camping and travel, so I've been looking at "guppy" tanks. Would like to buy new. So far I've come across Joe B's tank (18 CF @ $389) and PA's Air Venturi/Ninja PB tank (16.2 CF @ as low as $250 with discounts).

So I have to ask, is Joe B's slightly larger tank really worth the extra $100+? The hardware looks robust, but will I even notice the difference? How is the Air Venturi tank quality-wise? Are there any other manufacturers I should consider?

Thanks all for your help.

another thing to consider is the amount of fills you will be able to get out of the small 18cf tanks,
maybe not a consideration since you have a pump,but,

for filling the mrod,
if you fill to 2900psi and refill at 1900psi you will only get 12 or 13 fills out of the guppy tank before needing it filled.

pumping got very old to me,which is why i went with joe b's great white tank (97cf) and couldnt be happier (65-70 fills)

but like i said,since you are currently pumping ,the amount of fills may not be of concern.

[the sloth]

Hi everyone - I'm shopping for a fill setup and need some guidance.

I have two Marauders and want to have an alternative to pumping during hot summer outings. I like the idea of a portable tank for camping and travel, so I've been looking at "guppy" tanks. Would like to buy new. So far I've come across Joe B's tank (18 CF @ $389) and PA's Air Venturi/Ninja PB tank (16.2 CF @ as low as $250 with discounts).

So I have to ask, is Joe B's slightly larger tank really worth the extra $100+? The hardware looks robust, but will I even notice the difference? How is the Air Venturi tank quality-wise? Are there any other manufacturers I should consider?

Thanks all for your help.

another thing to consider is the amount of fills you will be able to get out of the small 18cf tanks,
maybe not a consideration since you have a pump,but,

for filling the mrod,
if you fill to 2900psi and refill at 1900psi you will only get 12 or 13 fills out of the guppy tank before needing it filled.

pumping got very old to me,which is why i went with joe b's great white tank (97cf) and couldnt be happier (65-70 fills)

but like i said,since you are currently pumping ,the amount of fills may not be of concern.

I'd love to get a large tank, but it's just not in the budget. Plus I'd lose some portability, which is important to me. Throwing a small tank into a backpack for a day out sounds perfect, and 10+ fills should be more than plenty. I don't mind pumping at home - gives me an excuse for a little exercise, could definitely use it - but when I'm out in the woods or at a shootin' BBQ with a stomach full of food and beer, pumping is the last thing I want to do.

[rsterne]

Also, check with Tim @ Mac1 Airguns (he has a Gate here on the GTA), he sells the Ninja Fill Station in a slightly customized form, you might like what you see....

Bob

[cilami]

I have a JB's guppy tank and I am very happy with it. Perfect for a day in the field for me. But then you have to fill it quite frequently. I don't like to see my shoebox working so hard every week. I read somewhere that a 44 cf tank is a good compromise between portability and number of fills. Does anyone knows the dimensions and weight of a 44 cf tank? Brands available? Websites?

TIA   

[vigilandy]

I have a JB's guppy tank and I am very happy with it. Perfect for a day in the field for me. But then you have to fill it quite frequently. I don't like to see my shoebox working so hard every week. I read somewhere that a 44 cf tank is a good compromise between portability and number of fills. Does anyone knows the dimensions and weight of a 44 cf tank? Brands available? Websites?

TIA

I bought a 30 minute SCBA tank (45CF) as a portable fill station.... the cylinder itself is a little over 10lbs not including the filling hardware.  I would not consider it a viable option for backpacking.    The 75CF tank is only slightly heavier, very close in length, and fatter--  but way more fills.  Something about how volume increases much faster than surface area.  I think the ideal setup (for my purposes anyway) is one small 90CI tank and a bigger 75 CF or bigger.

[PakProtector]

The Joe B math used to arrive at 97 cu ft for the tanks he sells is *WRONG*. They are 550 ci internal volume, and since air gets less compressible after about 3000 psi, they only hold 88 cu ft...which is ov course what the SCBA companies that actually make them rate them at.

The JOE B 550 ci tanks used to carry the 88 cu ft rating, but since bigger is better, he mis-applied ideal gas law to get the 97 cu ft number. Is a big heap o' steaming marketing...why y'all tolerate it is just beyond me.
cheers,
Douglas

[Topsportsman916]

I've got one of Joe B's Guppy tanks and it's a nice piece. I'm filling it with nitrogen. I also bought the nitrogen set up from Joe.  I went with the Guppy to start with for portability and also money at the time. If I determine that I need more tank capacity, I will probably get a GW from Joe.

[Sandspike]

Lets see.....gym membership......and bottle fed airguns.....with a pump in the closet collecting dust. How does that make any sense at all?

[Sfttailrdr46]

Lets see.....gym membership......and bottle fed airguns.....with a pump in the closet collecting dust. How does that make any sense at all?

Unless your biological clock is still on the AM not the PM side of the equation it is important to remember that us old folks would rather shoot than pump and when I want to sweat I jump on my bicycle or into my ocean kayak and enjoy the view while I sweat just saying but all kidding aside the 0 to 200 psi when the seal finally started to hold pressure was a serious workout maybe 100 strokes with the Hill boosted to 25 psi

[the sloth]

Does Joe B. answer his email (info@airtanksforsale.com)? I've sent two inquiring about prices and no response.

[starlingassassin]

best way is to call him and talk

[Norm_m]

Good luck E Mailing him as he does not reply 80% of the time and when he does it is several days to a week later.

Norm

[grumpy]

Joe B's tanks are the exact same size as everyone else's. They are not larger.  I would opt for the Airhog or give Tim a call. Also check ebay for used tanks.

[Booger]

I just got a great white and I love it. I lose less air when I bleed off from filling. It is a much nicer set up from my Ninja which I now use tethered on my Talon Pistol. On a side note I have had mine for a week and Joe did not charge my credit card. I called today and told him. He thanked me for my honesty and told me my next purchase of a tank will be $100 off. I am proud to say honesty does pay off. Maybe I will take him up on the offer for a Freedom 8, but to tell you the truth a Condor .25 24" barrel is looking better to me.

[Motorhead]

All this Joe B slamming sure gets OLD !!
As with anyone in retail your going to have followers and haters ... get over it if you feel his advertizing practices are shady !
His Products and support stand independent of that fact.

Want a Ford, buy one ... Chevy or a Dodge, that's OK too 

As for the NINJA ... after @ 9 months ownership of the small 90cu  with integral regulator ... I'M SO DONE with it !!
Blown 5 burst disks with ALL being during fills or storage with ALL FAILING under the 4.5 fill rating.

Retrofitted the entire valve, gauges & hose with one of Joe B's conversions for the PB bottles ... SOOOOO much better 

[Norm_m]

As with anything you buy, you get what you pay for. Joe's product are expensive but they are top of the line and he stands behind what he sells.

Joe is not very good with E Mails but using the phone always works.

Love my Guppy!

Norm