13xx plastic breech sights and sight mods

[stonykill]

  I wanna see em and hear how anyone approached this. This morning I shot my 1377 rested and my Beeman P17 rested. I make 1 torn hole with the P17 rested. The 1377 I have such a hard time with the sights it is a quarter size group. I was shooting at 10 yards indoors.
   I am really not wanting to spend $100 on a steel breech and sights on a $60 gun unless I ABSOLUTELY have to. I know many enjoy spending $300 on the 13xx's. To me that does not make sense. Not my thing.

   The P17 has nice FO sites that the rear sight has nice adjustments on. Looking to either purchase or make something similar for the 13xx's. I am sure someone else has done this but a search does not help me.

   Pics anyone?

   FYI if I REALLY REALLY take my time aiming the 1377 or 22 I can get good groups. But the stock sights are just not working for me. I want something I can get on sight quick and squeeze without spending $200 to make 2 pistols hit their mark

[Monkeydad1969]

You can get the scope mounts Crosman makes that go directly on the barrel, then buy whatever optics---100-150 bucks.  I know you said you didn't want to spend the money, but seems the only way to get real accuracy is to buy optics or better sights.  I use the peep sight on my 1322, seems to be more accurate.  Have you polished & lubed up the trigger components yet?  That makes a world of difference, too.

Joe

[stonykill]

You can get the scope mounts Crosman makes that go directly on the barrel, then buy whatever optics---100-150 bucks.  I know you said you didn't want to spend the money, but seems the only way to get real accuracy is to buy optics or better sights.  I use the peep sight on my 1322, seems to be more accurate.  Have you polished & lubed up the trigger components yet?  That makes a world of difference, too.

Joe

   yes I did the recommended trigger mods.

   I should have added I want to stick with open sights. I want to holster and carry these around the farm and on hunts as a backup weapon. I have to admit I'm really disappointed with these 13xx's in stock form. The sights are just horrible. Barrel's wiggle all over the place. That I can fix. Sights.... looking for ideas. And if push comes to shove to make these shooters equal to my $39 P17 in stock form I'll spend the $100 each to do it. Or make them carbines at that point. Just really disappointed in these weapons. My 2 are not living up to the hype.

[Monkeydad1969]

You can get the scope mounts Crosman makes that go directly on the barrel, then buy whatever optics---100-150 bucks.  I know you said you didn't want to spend the money, but seems the only way to get real accuracy is to buy optics or better sights.  I use the peep sight on my 1322, seems to be more accurate.  Have you polished & lubed up the trigger components yet?  That makes a world of difference, too.

Joe

   yes I did the recommended trigger mods.

   I should have added I want to stick with open sights. I want to holster and carry these around the farm and on hunts as a backup weapon. I have to admit I'm really disappointed with these 13xx's in stock form. The sights are just horrible. Barrel's wiggle all over the place. That I can fix. Sights.... looking for ideas. And if push comes to shove to make these shooters equal to my $39 P17 in stock form I'll spend the $100 each to do it. Or make them carbines at that point. Just really disappointed in these weapons. My 2 are not living up to the hype.

Yeah Tom,

Seems like Crosman made them so you have to get the steel breech or a custom breech so you can use better open sights.  I am that guy who dumps all that money into it...lol.  I will be getting a left handed breech and a nice optic for mine.  I am a right handed shooter, but with an air pistol, I like to cock and load with the left.  Makes more sense to me.  I'm also ambidextrous.  I put a left handed breech on my carbine build and I love it.  I hope someone else will add to your thread on open sight options w/o breaking the bank.  I will be keeping an eye on this one.

Joe

[birdmove]

   I put the Crosman rifle stock on my 1377. That makes the sights much worse, as your eye gets closer to the rear sight blade, which makes the gap between the rear sight blades way too wide. It also makes the peep hole on that sight way too big. I suppose someone could make a new rear sight from scratch. Or fill in the old rear blade and drill a different sized peep hole or cut new rear blades.

[BillK]

I may be wrong, often am, but I don't think sights alone are going to make the 1377 as accurate as the P17.
Seems that you have to stabilize the barrel & possibly recrown.   Also pellet placement by way of an extended probe can help.  Shimming the barrel band to prevent movement helps.  And as mentioned trigger/sear/spring work.
All of the above is already done in the P17 and it is a lighter pistol.  Limited to 400 fps and ment for target shooting.
I'm no expert & am often wrong but, I think you got to get deeper into the wallet to do what you want.

[stonykill]

I may be wrong, often am, but I don't think sights alone are going to make the 1377 as accurate as the P17.
Seems that you have to stabilize the barrel & possibly recrown.   Also pellet placement by way of an extended probe can help.  Shimming the barrel band to prevent movement helps.  And as mentioned trigger/sear/spring work.
All of the above is already done in the P17 and it is a lighter pistol.  Limited to 400 fps and ment for target shooting.
I'm no expert & am often wrong but, I think you got to get deeper into the wallet to do what you want.

my P17 is bone stock from China. Has not had any of the above mods done to it. But bone stock it has a great trigger and really nice sights.

[stonykill]

  I was just thinking that perhaps some of you don't understand my point. It is probably just me, but I can not get a quick repeatable sight window with the stock sights. Without sights I can use consistent I can not shoot consistent. So I'm wondering aloud if I should just as a test get intermounts  and an inexpensive red dot. If I get accuracy and repeatability I want than I decide to spend the bucks or fabricate up a rear site mod the front sight.

    This will be my default plan if no one has an decent sight in mind to mount on the stock plastic breech.

[K.O.]

Me I just cut down the front sight a bit  and used a  7/16 screw eye with 1/8 eye hole (squeezed closed) to make a front peep to use with the

rear peep.

Very quick target acquisition , sight alignment and good overall visibility.

Not holster tough  but with some design effort could be there.

Center the target in front peep center front peep in rear peep very natural for me and more accurate at distance for me...

If using post and notch I like a V notch and thin post front sight; once again quick acquisition, finer targeting and overall visibility for me.

 a little imagination and work it is easily doable...

also  these can really benefit from some barrel tuning  just getting rid of a burr at the transfer port on my PC77 took it from  large shogun

groups at 20-25 yards to  3/4" groups (side rested).

many of the barrels also need some leade work I do it my way with wet dry...

These are great guns but come on be willing to do a bit of work they are 50-60 dollar guns...

[K.O.]

the intermounts and the weight of a red dot to me = barrel spin...

[stonykill]

  shot about 70 pellets through the 1322 today. Last night I sanded the top of the rear sight to be flush with the top of the adjustable portion of the sight. I heated up the front sight with a heat gun and straightened it out. It was leaning right. I sanded the sides smooth on the front sight to eliminate all of the casting flash and parting lines. I put a dot of bright red nail polish on the front sight. Now I can see through the sights pretty well.
   Outside while in between wind gusts at 10 yards, 20 shots makes a ragged hole the size of a quarter. It is just too breezy to shoot at longer distances today for grouping. But I was popping a soda can consistantly at around 20 yards.

   So I'm still looking for a sight upgrade but at least I have a starting point for the 1322. Some other day I'll do the same to the 1377.

   I'm a happier camper today 

[stonykill]

the intermounts and the weight of a red dot to me = barrel spin...

 maybe but the sight will move with the barrel. I made enough progress today with the stock sights on the 1322 that I won't worry about the intermounts

[breakfastchef]

Sell the 1377; easy fix. Yes, they are rough out of the box, and the stock sights are pretty poor. If you do not want to sink a couple of hundred bucks into the gun to improve it, get out now. Better to take the money you do not put into the 1377 and find an air pistol that better fits your needs. Peruse various AG classifieds for good deals on second hand pistols.

[stonykill]

Sell the 1377; easy fix. Yes, they are rough out of the box, and the stock sights are pretty poor. If you do not want to sink a couple of hundred bucks into the gun to improve it, get out now. Better to take the money you do not put into the 1377 and find an air pistol that better fits your needs. Peruse various AG classifieds for good deals on second hand pistols.

  if I can spend 1/2 hour of my time like I did on the 1322 to make it shoot good with the stock sights I'll have a good starting point. I have been researching mods and yeah, some guys dump $300 into it to get what they want. Other dump another $60 into it to get what they want. I'm the 2nd guy, not the 1st.

   I may just end up making a rear sight. Like this one http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/thread/1192369060/1377+home+made+rear+sight

[K.O.]

 

  shot about 70 pellets through the 1322 today. Last night I sanded the top of the rear sight to be flush with the top of the adjustable portion of the sight. I heated up the front sight with a heat gun and straightened it out. It was leaning right. I sanded the sides smooth on the front sight to eliminate all of the casting flash and parting lines. I put a dot of bright red nail polish on the front sight. Now I can see through the sights pretty well.
   Outside while in between wind gusts at 10 yards, 20 shots makes a ragged hole the size of a quarter. It is just too breezy to shoot at longer distances today for grouping. But I was popping a soda can consistantly at around 20 yards.

   So I'm still looking for a sight upgrade but at least I have a starting point for the 1322. Some other day I'll do the same to the 1377.

   I'm a happier camper today 

 

[K.O.]

Sell the 1377; easy fix. Yes, they are rough out of the box, and the stock sights are pretty poor. If you do not want to sink a couple of hundred bucks into the gun to improve it, get out now. Better to take the money you do not put into the 1377 and find an air pistol that better fits your needs. Peruse various AG classifieds for good deals on second hand pistols.

  if I can spend 1/2 hour of my time like I did on the 1322 to make it shoot good with the stock sights I'll have a good starting point. I have been researching mods and yeah, some guys dump $300 into it to get what they want. Other dump another $60 into it to get what they want. I'm the 2nd guy, not the 1st.

   I may just end up making a rear sight. Like this one http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/thread/1192369060/1377+home+made+rear+sight

where is the like button? 

I thought of just taping the body and pushing  against the breech screw...

[stonykill]

Sell the 1377; easy fix. Yes, they are rough out of the box, and the stock sights are pretty poor. If you do not want to sink a couple of hundred bucks into the gun to improve it, get out now. Better to take the money you do not put into the 1377 and find an air pistol that better fits your needs. Peruse various AG classifieds for good deals on second hand pistols.

  if I can spend 1/2 hour of my time like I did on the 1322 to make it shoot good with the stock sights I'll have a good starting point. I have been researching mods and yeah, some guys dump $300 into it to get what they want. Other dump another $60 into it to get what they want. I'm the 2nd guy, not the 1st.

   I may just end up making a rear sight. Like this one http://www.network54.com/Forum/275684/thread/1192369060/1377+home+made+rear+sight

where is the like button? 

I thought of just taping the body and pushing  against the breech screw...

  I've wanted the "like" button many times . I'm not following, tape the body.......

[K.O.]

oops meant    tapping

[stonykill]

oops meant    tapping

 ok, now that makes sense. Might do that 1st, before I make them

[stonykill]

  did most of the same to the 1377 sights. Only difference is I did not have to bend the front site. At 8 yards indoors and rested, 5 shot groups I was getting nickel size groups which of course I am not happy with. BUT I can use the sights now. I'll play some with various pellets 1st but am guessing a recrown is in order.

   What I forgot to say about  testing the 1322 is I was not rested but not totally offhand either. I'm left handed, and rested my left shoulder against a tree. Offhand from there. But I was body side rested getting 20 shot quarter size groups outdoors in the breezy day at 10 yards. I know on a still air day I can improve on that.

   BUT I have the stock sights so I can use them.