Man as a smith it seems you'd be dying to get inside one-something new Normally I do like getting inside something new, especially if it's something built/designed well. But currently, in addition to my normal load of Revolvers and 1911's, I have the following guns of my own that are projects I'm trying to finish: A Eddystone M1917 I'm doing a full restore on, a Springfield/Remington 1903A3 I'm restoring/repairing/refinishing and putting in a NOS (new old stock) C-stock, a Remington 510 I'm restoring, a 1903A3 butt stock and hand guard I'm repairing/refinishing, a high cap 1911 I'm customizing/refinishing, an H&R break action .22 revolver I'm rebuilding/repairing/refinishing and a couple AR15 receivers I need to build up for friends. So when it comes to gun type work, I'm buried right now. - but sure do see the "want to shoot out of the box".I hate to admit it, but because I can repair/refinish/restore firearms, I've bought way to many "rough projects." For once and because I'm short on time lately, I want a nice rifle I can shoot around the house at targets and maybe reduce the neighborhood squirrel population, which due to lack of predators, is getting out of hand and becoming pesky about running the roof of the house. The QB is one of the best values in air rifles, and hoepfully you know Mike Melick of flyingdragonairrifles (on the main page) is the person you want to purchase from. Lowest price, best work, and a true lifetime quarente. I'm reading good things about him on this forum a couple others. I've read though, that he's having trouble getting the QB. He does have another rifle I'm moderately interested in, but not sure if it is the way I want to go. I'm pretty traditional in my tastes, though at my age, I need fiber optic or a scope to see the sights.I didnt think much of the QB's years ago, but the price looked nice, oredered from Mike, great guy to talk with on the phone, told him I wanted ALL the power I could get and the trigger as light as it could go. Now back then his price was almost $250 (with the tuning) lower than it should be - too good to be true- but I got a full 20fpe running on carts on HOT days and a trigger any civilian would think was match grade.That sounds promising. It gets very hot here in Northeast GA (Jefferson) in the summer and I've shot a lot of High Power in the past, did pretty well and can definitely appreciate a good two stage tuned trigger. I'm good at tuning a trigger and could do the one on the gun, but any time I spent doing it is time take away from paying customer's triggers/guns.I did have a seal on it leak once, called Mike he offered to repair it or send said seal and walk me through fixing it. So easy to work on I accepted his free of charge repair part.Good to hear of a man that stands behind his products.Read a bunch on the forum(s) about dealers and tunners, Mike will be the only one with zero complaints.That's tough to do, because there's always someone out there that's hard to make happy, some even if they were hung with a new rope would complain. Me, if I hire another man to do gun work myself, I may ask him questions related to his areas of expertise to learn more about guns via email he can answer at his leisure, but I'll never ask him when the gun is ready.And, welcome to the forum.Thank youJohn Oh and "I" like my QB bottle rifle also, over 70 shots with an extreme fps spread of 7! Pretty hard to buy small bore match ammo that will give you those #'s.True, though I do have a CZ 453 with double set factory trigger and that thing will shoot some of the medium grade ammo about as good as the premium match ammo.
Welcome Dave glad u joined us Thank you,u have very informative members that will lead u to the path u wanna gogood to hear as for me i had a couple qb78d in .22 and tuned as well and glad i did cause it helped but out the box there good decent ag,s with very good accuratecy and lightweight as well Sounds like what I'm looking for.,fiber optics on a qb78 are purdy good ,on co2 canisters they could give u plenty of power shots i cant remember but i know 30 plus shots before velocity dropped That's quite a few shots for me, most times I doubt I'll have time to shoot more than 10-20 shots a session at best.,good small game hunter out to 20yds from what i have taken which hasnt been much lolDo you think the .177 might be a better caliber for squirrels vs. the .22? I remember hunting squirrels with a Daisy pneumatic pump when I was a kid. Not quite enough oomph at ten pumps, but then I was 14 and shooting squirrels in the tops of pine trees. Probably a bit too far a range. But I was hitting them in the head with the iron sights consistently and killed several.,plenty spacing for modding these shooters ..could be upgraded to a reapeter with a 8 or 10 shot mag The only thing I don't like about the repeaters is you have to use a scope and if I can, I'd rather not use a scope, though I may be forced to at age 54 due to eyesight issues.,if u have or nieghboors have problem cause its loud u could get it tko shroud ... it will make it backyard friendlierI do have neighbors, one on my left is two heavy, not good looking, not friendly, very liberal women. One on my wife is a single woman who works as a cop. She's friendly and has two daughters who come and go living there. I doubt the cop crowd would be bothered by an air rifle. The other two, who knows. Neighbor across the street is an outdoor type....get plenty of co2 cause its also a fun ag to shoot I think I'm going to order the big pacs off of amazon or ebay or some such.....the man u want to speak too is Mike Melick from flying dragon airguns he know his way around this type of ag and tunes them as well great man he is as well to talk too Second recommendation for Mike....Dave check out our china gate theres more info on qb78d,s Thanks, I've been reading there.Dave
If you just want to slap on a scope and have fun with CO2, then getting a fully-tuned QB from Mike at Flying Dragon seems like a good option. I got my dad's QB from him, but converted to HPA with a 1100psi bottle.I do want the CO2 and though the big bottles look more convenient, I'm not yet warmed up to having a big bottle hanging off the front of my rifle.I have heard great things about Roy at Mountain Air, but have never had the fortune to shoot one of his guns. If you want to dig into the guts a little more, Roy might be your man. Mike is definitely the best value and bang-for-your-buck, but I was told that Roy will fine-tune a little more, if that's what you want.Not sure right now. I know when I do a firearm for myself, I tend to go "all the way." That said, time is what's keeping me from doing my own.You can't go wrong with either, and I wouldn't really look at anything else unless you _do_ want to do some work, yourself.Good information, thank you. Mountain air is only about an hour's drive away from me through some pretty nice looking country. May have to go visit him.
the open sights and trigger on the deluxe are very good,Was your trigger right out of the box or tuned? i did get mine from the same source you mentioned and it shot great right out of the box.good to hear they are great guns that hit where you're aiming but they are not without their faults . just remember that they are gas powered and not powder burner and accept that seals will need to be replaced sometimes.I had that figured in, but also figured I'm not going to shoot it enough to wear them out, so drying out may be more of a problem. mine developed problems over the 3 years or so that ive had it and i think i ve replaced almost every part on the gun. Did you start with the stock gun and tune/upgrade it later? I was thinking of having some upgrades done before delivery. OH, and dont skip the pelgun oil on every 2nd or 3rd cartridge. i got lazy and that probably lead to my seals early demise. I've not had a problem with valve lock but did notice weaker shots above 95 degrees.I've read on the seals. I wonder if there's a "too much" and a "too little" all at the same time.
Mike at Flying Dragon Airguns may not be bringing in the QB rifles. He has had some problems with the company shipping new airguns to him. Now that's some bad news. I hope he resolves that. You need to talk to him directly be that he may have some but I don't see any on his website.I saw that too. At this time he is selling a XS60C PCP .177 or .22 air rifle for $100. A good price I think. If you need a pump that would be another $140.What is a pump? Sorry, I'm a newb at air guns. He also offers an extra barrel for $20 so you can change calibers.Now that's interesting. Pump and rifle would be with free shipping to the 48 states.a good thing You could run the rifle on a bulk fill CO2 if you wanted to. But by saying that he also is selling a first generation XS60C for $70 that can use two 12 gr CO2 cartridges or bulk fill. I don't own a QB but it does look to have a better trigger set up.That is a good option to look at. thank you But you may be happy with a tuned XS60C with a $100 extra full tune. JMOI'm going to have to learn what an extra full tune is before I'll know that.
Steve, responses in the quoteQuote from: stevemag on February 16, 2014, 10:11:17 PMthe open sights and trigger on the deluxe are very good,Was your trigger right out of the box or tuned? i did get mine from the same source you mentioned and it shot great right out of the box.good to hear they are great guns that hit where you're aiming but they are not without their faults . just remember that they are gas powered and not powder burner and accept that seals will need to be replaced sometimes.I had that figured in, but also figured I'm not going to shoot it enough to wear them out, so drying out may be more of a problem. mine developed problems over the 3 years or so that ive had it and i think i ve replaced almost every part on the gun. Did you start with the stock gun and tune/upgrade it later? I was thinking of having some upgrades done before delivery. OH, and dont skip the pelgun oil on every 2nd or 3rd cartridge. i got lazy and that probably lead to my seals early demise. I've not had a problem with valve lock but did notice weaker shots above 95 degrees.I've read on the seals. I wonder if there's a "too much" and a "too little" all at the same time.Dave
i did get the "tune kit" but i put it in myself.that consists of the bolt with extended probe. other than that it was a stock "deluxe"with stock valve.If you had to do it over again at the start, what would you put in that you did not?the gold trigger is very adjustable. i would never use the word "crisp" but its not squishy like my 2260 was. im real fussy about triggers and this is one you can work with.Do you think these chinese triggers would respond well to standard gunsmithing tuning, such as stoning to remove machining burrs, better springs, etc?i didnt shoot it for a while and it started leaking like crazy so i gave it the "pelgunoil treatment" worked fine . after that i oiled every cartridge and that was too much i guess, thats when i had to start replacing everything.I'm guessing the o-rings were standard rubber ones made in china, so at first they dried out, then when you over-oiled them, they dissolved. O-rings made of other, better materials could be a solution to greatly extend their life I'm guessing.the good thing about mike is if you need seals, he'll just drop them in the mail for you no charge. the other will charge you.Are the free ones the same as the o-rings that come with the gun? Is it possible to buy "upgrade" o-ring kits?but since mike cant get the 78 anymore i think @=S+S%^$# is the only game in town.Well, there's the guy in Georgia an hour's drive away, but I don't have time to drive there right now. I'm wondering why there are so few retailers of these rifles. Is it that way with all air guns or just the chinese manufactured ones?all in all though its a 150 dollar gun thats given me years of enjoyment.Which is what I'm looking for. How long have you owned yours?
Quote from: DaveInGA on February 17, 2014, 02:12:23 AMSteve, responses in the quoteQuote from: stevemag on February 16, 2014, 10:11:17 PMthe open sights and trigger on the deluxe are very good,Was your trigger right out of the box or tuned? i did get mine from the same source you mentioned and it shot great right out of the box.good to hear they are great guns that hit where you're aiming but they are not without their faults . just remember that they are gas powered and not powder burner and accept that seals will need to be replaced sometimes.I had that figured in, but also figured I'm not going to shoot it enough to wear them out, so drying out may be more of a problem. mine developed problems over the 3 years or so that ive had it and i think i ve replaced almost every part on the gun. Did you start with the stock gun and tune/upgrade it later? I was thinking of having some upgrades done before delivery. OH, and dont skip the pelgun oil on every 2nd or 3rd cartridge. i got lazy and that probably lead to my seals early demise. I've not had a problem with valve lock but did notice weaker shots above 95 degrees.I've read on the seals. I wonder if there's a "too much" and a "too little" all at the same time.Davei did get the "tune kit" but i put it in myself.that consists of the bolt with extended probe. other than that it was a stock "deluxe"with stock valve. the gold trigger is very adjustable. i would never use the word "crisp" but its not squishy like my 2260 was. im real fussy about triggers and this is one you can work with. i didnt shoot it for a while and it started leaking like crazy so i gave it the "pelgunoil treatment" worked fine . after that i oiled every cartridge and that was too much i guess, thats when i had to start replacing everything. the good thing about mike is if you need seals, he'll just drop them in the mail for you no charge. the other will charge you. but since mike cant get the 78 anymore i think @=S+S%^$# is the only game in town. all in all though its a 150 dollar gun thats given me years of enjoyment.
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