Inovairtech - MAC35

[airgunwarriors]

Back to the MAC35 for a quick second:

Just watched a few videos on the Evanix 9mm Tactical and based on some numbers crunching, the MAC35 is hanging right in there with it, if not better.

Thanks,

Al.
(AGW)

[QVTom]

The Evanix platform is at the lower end of the big bore power spectrum (I don't consider the 9mm RAW and Edgun true bigbores).  I think most wish for more out of both the Evanix and MAC.

Tom

[airgunwarriors]

The Evanix platform is at the lower end of the big bore power spectrum (I don't consider the 9mm RAW and Edgun true bigbores).  I think most wish for more out of both the Evanix and MAC.

Tom

When I win the lottery, I'm going to implore the likes of Bob/rsterne for his "encyclopedia of knowledge", Jason B./JTB530 for his "mechanical know-how", Jason N./nervoustrigger for his " meticulous engineering know how", Stalwart for his "creative genius", Mike Melick for his "years of wisdom and endless amounts of other talents and skills", PIPERMAN simply because of what he did to that BAM 30-1, Bob/CharlieDaTuna for his..."need I say why...", Tofazfou and dyotat100 for their "high powered know-how/work they have done to create some extremely powerful big-bores...diy", and a panel of advisors like Gene, D Ez, PakProtector and a few others. George/Silent_Airman would lead a team of field testers.

Why?

To develop the "Ultimate Air-Gun" and in an effort to try...and I stress the word try...to make all types of shooters happy; it would be offered in 3 different variants and up to 4 different calibers.

Try and picture that air-gun if you can.:-)

Sorry, just me dreaming again.

In reference to the Evanix big bores and MAC35..."lacking" or leaving folks with "much more to be desired", as far as performace goes...after what I have thus far learned about the abilities of some other .257 air-guns out there; if the .257/MAC25R can propel a .257 boolit, regardless of weight to at least 825+fps, I'll be happy myself.

Thanks for the input Tom, as I was honestly a bit shocked to see the Evanix Tactical .357 not providing better performance numbers, regardless of how much the boolits/pellets being tested weighed.

Man, I've got to start swaging...spending to much time with this tablet in my hand!
 

Respectfully,
Al.
(AGW)

[dv8eod]

The Evanix platform is at the lower end of the big bore power spectrum (I don't consider the 9mm RAW and Edgun true bigbores).  I think most wish for more out of both the Evanix and MAC.

Tom

I'm hurt, Tom.     What did my Sniper ever do to you? Meanie!!   

[PakProtector]

LMBO...there is no 'One Rifle' solution. I wish there were more overlap, but there isn't. Say for example, I want to plug a squirrel in a tree...can't go pointing a 200 FPE, .257 up in the air to get it; the round will travel too far. If I want to target shoot at long range( 100+ yards )a pellet is too sensitive to wind( more like wee breezes ). Even a 90 FPE .224 boolit wants to travel too far...pellets are useful, make no mistake, but IMO you need several rifles, and kow what you can do with each...
cheers,
Douglas

[QVTom]

The Evanix platform is at the lower end of the big bore power spectrum (I don't consider the 9mm RAW and Edgun true bigbores).  I think most wish for more out of both the Evanix and MAC.

Tom

I'm hurt, Tom.     What did my Sniper ever do to you? Meanie!!   

LOL, Wasn't my intent to give your Sniper a complex........

[QVTom]

LMBO...there is no 'One Rifle' solution. I wish there were more overlap, but there isn't. Say for example, I want to plug a squirrel in a tree...can't go pointing a 200 FPE, .257 up in the air to get it; the round will travel too far. If I want to target shoot at long range( 100+ yards )a pellet is too sensitive to wind( more like wee breezes ). Even a 90 FPE .224 boolit wants to travel too far...pellets are useful, make no mistake, but IMO you need several rifles, and kow what you can do with each...
cheers,
Douglas

How about this.....  Not a dual caliber under/over but a pellet/slug of the same caliber.

[airgunwarriors]

The Evanix platform is at the lower end of the big bore power spectrum (I don't consider the 9mm RAW and Edgun true bigbores).  I think most wish for more out of both the Evanix and MAC.

Tom

I'm hurt, Tom.     What did my Sniper ever do to you? Meanie!!   

Listen,

I do not remember the caliber, weight or fps that your Evanix Tactical was shooting that day at out last Fun-Shoot, but what I do remember is how hard it was smacking the steel targets set-up at 50-yards!

I also remember the big bore boolits turning into extremely thin discs of lead from the impact with the steel targets at 50-yds!

For it to be on the "lower end" in reference to power in a big-bore, I found it to be an absolute beast!

Thanks again for allowing me to shoot it.

Al.
(AGW)

[dyotat100]

Thanks

The .30 is really accurate out to 125 yds. Not sure how much all the stiffening plays in how good it shoots.  It shot under a dime size group at 50 yds the time I took it to the range.

.257 without shot a 100 yds under a dime size.  So hopefully that will improve when all is done.

Where did you buy the bottles from and what valves are you using?

The valves I use are the custom ones I make. Tanks are 62 ci guerrilla.  I thing only the ninjas are available now.

[dv8eod]

The Evanix platform is at the lower end of the big bore power spectrum (I don't consider the 9mm RAW and Edgun true bigbores).  I think most wish for more out of both the Evanix and MAC.

Tom

I'm hurt, Tom.     What did my Sniper ever do to you? Meanie!!   

Listen,

I do not remember the caliber, weight or fps that your Evanix Tactical was shooting that day at out last Fun-Shoot, but what I do remember is how hard it was smacking the steel targets set-up at 50-yards!

I also remember the big bore boolits turning into extremely thin discs of lead from the impact with the steel targets at 50-yds!

For it to be on the "lower end" in reference to power in a big-bore, I found it to be an absolute beast!

Thanks again for allowing me to shoot it.

Al.
(AGW)

Thank you, AGW



I don't think THIS is lower end...     
(Yes, that's a quarter!)

[airgunwarriors]

"I don't think THIS is lower end... "
Terry/dv8eod

I would have to agree with you on that Buddy!

Glad pictures of those discs of lead were taken.

You are welcome and thanks again,

Al.
(AGW)

[KnifeMaker]

Dyotat wrote, "Yeah the only way to get lighter is to deck the mold. That is what was done to the NOE mold. It was a 85 gr bullet and now a 71 gr.

I know of one guy on the TAG forum that has a 58 gr Lyman. He is the one that decked the NOE mold. I talked to NOE and they will make a new mold just like what I have if I send them a couple of samples. I'm going to because it shoots so good and this is a borrowed mold".

I milled (decked),  the NOE mold for Tof. a couple of months back. The NOE that I use is decked to throw 20/1 lead/tin at 60 grains and is a very accurate combination.

I have had less luck with the Lyman 257420 decked to throw them at 54-56 grains. Still testing the Lyman. 

KnifeMaker

[rsterne]

I have a question about the 80 gr. NOE decked to a 60 gr.... What is the base of the bullet like?.... Is it flush with the back of a driving band, or cut off so that the diameter at the base is smaller, like on a gas-check bullet?....Would you have a photo of the base, or a straight side view?....

Bob

[airgunwarriors]

I have a question about the 80 gr. NOE decked to a 60 gr.... What is the base of the bullet like?.... Is it flush with the back of a driving band, or cut off so that the diameter at the base is smaller, like on a gas-check bullet?....Would you have a photo of the base, or a straight side view?....

Bob

I'd like to see that too Bob.

[dyotat100]

Here it is. This is the 67 gr HP.

[rsterne]

That explains (IMO) why it shoots well, the part that leaves the crown (the last drive band) is perfectly molded with no chance for distortion from the sprue plate.... The Lyman 257420 has the same feature because of the shoulder for the gas check.... and it also shoots well....

Bob

[KnifeMaker]

The 60 gr. NOE is exactly the same. Just the last driving band showing on Doug's pic is removed.  this gives it what still looks like a gas-check area, and cuts clean. I did make a new spru plate for it with smaller holes. It cuts much easier, and leaves a very flat and clean base. 

When Cedric and I were first talking abut doing this, it was our thought that the base, left looking a bit like a Gas-Check area, might possibly as sort of a mini Boat Tail. Hoping it could help down range some.

Now that I have a longer barrel, I may deck another 80 gr. NOE to bring up the weight to match the one Doug and Cedric are now shooting.

I would like to send one of them out next year to Eric and have his Hollow point service done to the mold.

Doug, I can't remember now what the NOE weighed after the decking. What does it come out to?

Knife

Knife   

[airgunwarriors]

The 60 gr. NOE is exactly the same. Just the last driving band showing on Doug's pic is removed.  this gives it what still looks like a gas-check area, and cuts clean. I did make a new spru plate for it with smaller holes. It cuts much easier, and leaves a very flat and clean base. 

When Cedric and I were first talking abut doing this, it was our thought that the base, left looking a bit like a Gas-Check area, might possibly as sort of a mini Boat Tail. Hoping it could help down range some.

Now that I have a longer barrel, I may deck another 80 gr. NOE to bring up the weight to match the one Doug and Cedric are now shooting.

I would like to send one of them out next year to Eric and have his Hollow point service done to the mold.

Knife

So, its o.k. if the gas check area is still there?

Or

Is it best to have the tail of the boolit or bottom of it flush in diameter with the skirt, meaning that it does not become more narrow at the tail?

I've got much to learn here.

Thanks,

Al.

[rsterne]

IMO it is an advantage to have the gas-check area still there.... It MAY work as a slight boattail, reducing drag, but I think there are two larger advantages.... #1, the sprue plate can't smear or distort the last part of the bullet to contact the rifling when it leaves the muzzle (the driving band).... and #2, if any "fins" form from contact with the rifling they disappear into the gas check area, rather than sticking past the base of the bullet to act as unintentional (and inconsistent) "rudders".... My Bob's Boattails simply carried that idea further, using a rebated boattail where the rebate moved the last bore contact point forward from the base (eliminating the two problems above) and the boattail section reduces the drag over a bullet with a larger base.... The downside is that you need to spin them faster for the same overall length, so they need a faster twist for the same weight and length....

Bob

[airgunwarriors]

IMO it is an advantage to have the gas-check area still there.... It MAY work as a slight boattail, reducing drag, but I think there are two larger advantages.... #1, the sprue plate can't smear or distort the last part of the bullet to contact the rifling when it leaves the muzzle (the driving band).... and #2, if any "fins" form from contact with the rifling they disappear into the gas check area, rather than sticking past the base of the bullet to act as unintentional (and inconsistent) "rudders".... My Bob's Boattails simply carried that idea further, using a rebated boattail where the rebate moved the last bore contact point forward from the base (eliminating the two problems above) and the boattail section reduces the drag over a bullet with a larger base.... The downside is that you need to spin them faster for the same overall length, so they need a faster twist for the same weight and length....

Bob

Thanks Bob,

Really learned a lot and can picture the logic behind your thoughts.

Respectfully,

Al.