1st gen vs. 2nd gen XS60C

[Kailua]

On deciding on a purchase would the 2nd generation 60c be better in anyways than the 1st gen rifle being sold at this time?

[Geoff]

you can find more info here about the differences

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=54184.0

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=57400.msg549660#msg549660

[Kailua]

Thanks I have read those threads but might have missed something.  Just curious for one thing after the 1st gen valve leak fix, which is the better valve?  Will the 1st gen valve be prone to leakage in design compared to the new valve is more of my concern.

[FNG54]

On deciding on a purchase would the 2nd generation 60c be better in anyways than the 1st gen rifle being sold at this time?

CO2 Or HPA?

The 1st gen as far as I can tell are being turned into PCP rifles. But can still be bulk fed or tethered. And has no safety. The 2nd gen can use 2-12 gram carts or can be bulk fed or tethered.

I think I have that right be sure and check with Mike before you buy.

[JTB530]

The 1st Gen valve leaks not because of a bad valve but because the engineers/designers forgot they needed to seal the hammer side of the valve to ensure all the air makes it out of the valve and to the barrel. The valve they use is a qb valve and in a qb there is no need for the additional seal. The 2nd Gen rifles need a bulk fill cap if you plan on bulk filling them. They were listed as having a combination bulk fill/12g cap like the 1st Gen but the are shipped with a 12g cap w/bleeder.

[Kailua]

On deciding on a purchase would the 2nd generation 60c be better in anyways than the 1st gen rifle being sold at this time?

CO2 Or HPA?

The 1st gen as far as I can tell are being turned into PCP rifles. But can still be bulk fed or tethered. And has no safety. The 2nd gen can use 2-12 gram carts or can be bulk fed or tethered.

I think I have that right be sure and check with Mike before you buy.

Actually that is why this question is asked in his vendors gate.  I would like to get a couple of rifles and one of which would have a tank block added since he won't be carrying the Qb79.  I like to have one running on Co2 and the tanked one on HPA.  I just like the idea of a regulated PCP airgun.  I am guessing the 1st gen valve fix is a good one because Mike is selling them.  But if he thinks the new valve is some what better I might go with it.

[2nd RCHA]

I have a a bit of info for anyone who wants to purchase this gun, You may need to prepare yourself for alot of grief. I had purchased on of these about a week and a half ago, and right out of the box, It leaked, I tried 6 X(and 12 carts later)to fill this gun, before I went looking for help from the forum, after receiving many tips from fellow GTA members(Thank You All), I managed to get that leak fixed, but due to the frustation that the "Tube Cap" gave me, I opted to get the problem free "Tube Cap" from A.Air, just after I sent payment, the gun sprung a leak in the Breech area, thus forcing me too throw in the proverbial Towel, and send it back(at my cost) to the vendor for repair, So, so far this gun has cost me $136.oo for the gun itself, $20.00 for a couple "Re-Placement" seals,$38.00 for shipping, $40.00 for the new "Tube Cap"(along w/ shipping), and then another $32.00 to send it back to the vendor. It would be actually be ok, if the gun that I got was a "Lemom" because that would mean that my gun, and all of its faults would be a "Fluke" Not in the Norm, But after reading Numerous other reviews,from so many different vendor's/forums which described the same problems that I was encountering, I came to the conclusion that there is a design flaw to this weapon, and it's cousin the Umarex Fusion. So, What's to do, after spending so much on this gun, In my case, Because I don't want to be out X amount of dollars, I Bite It, and hope that when I actually Do get the gun back, It'll be performing at the level it should of been when I first bought it. Mind You, This is in NO WAY a declaration of the XS-60c's being sold in the US by Flying Dragon's, Mike only sells Items he can stand behind, and his XS-60c's are all problem free, Too Bad I can't say the same for the guns that are being sold here. Also, Don't get me wrong, I really like this shooter, If I didn't, I wouldn't be putting myself through all this Krap, But I can see a light at the end of this tunnel,and problem free, This gun can easily, and should become one of your favourites. Also, Please keep in mind, This is just My Story, I'm sure there are many XS-60c owners out there who are problematically free, and have alway's enjoyed their gun's w/out incident, LOL, I just wish I was one of them. Cheer's, Andy.

[Kailua]

The 1st Gen valve leaks not because of a bad valve but because the engineers/designers forgot they needed to seal the hammer side of the valve to ensure all the air makes it out of the valve and to the barrel. The valve they use is a qb valve and in a qb there is no need for the additional seal. The 2nd Gen rifles need a bulk fill cap if you plan on bulk filling them. They were listed as having a combination bulk fill/12g cap like the 1st Gen but the are shipped with a 12g cap w/bleeder.

Thanks for the response I had got my previous post in late.  It seems from earlier post info the 2nd gen valve is more efficient.  So will take a wild guess that the 2nd gen rifle is better and will be buying those.

[JTB530]

I purchased a 2nd Gen rifle fully tuned from Mike as soon as he got them in stock. The gun has performed flawlessly with exception to the cap oring problem which has since been found and rectified at no cost to me. The 2nd Gen and the umarex fusion are the same gun with differences only in the stock, wood vs synthetic and the front sight vs suppressor. Sorry to hear you have had so many problems Andy I wish you were closer I'd let you try mine out.

[Kailua]

I had bought the second newer rifle for a friend who had not shot it much because he ended up in the hospital soon after I gave it to him.  I may have to see if he has the cap leak problem but I think he still has the original cartridges that Mike had sent the rifle with.  I was there when it was shot right out of the box.  So at the time there was no leak problems.  It did have a $100 tune on it so it could be why it didn't leak at the breech.  I may have to send Mike a email and see if he thinks the 2nd gen is worth the extra cost and will go with that.  I know he did say it was a modders dream.  I hope I don't screw it up and if so I hope he brings in spare parts.

[JTB530]

On deciding on a purchase would the 2nd generation 60c be better in anyways than the 1st gen rifle being sold at this time?

CO2 Or HPA?

The 1st gen as far as I can tell are being turned into PCP rifles. But can still be bulk fed or tethered. And has no safety. The 2nd gen can use 2-12 gram carts or can be bulk fed or tethered.

I think I have that right be sure and check with Mike before you buy.

The 1st gen rifles are available box stock and do have safeties on them. Most choose to remove them.

Here's a link to what I found about the 1st gen safety issue. My post is near the bottom of the page.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=58507.100

[FNG54]

CO2 Or HPA?

The 1st gen as far as I can tell are being turned into PCP rifles. But can still be bulk fed or tethered. And has no safety. The 2nd gen can use 2-12 gram carts or can be bulk fed or tethered.

I think I have that right be sure and check with Mike before you buy.

The 1st gen rifles are available box stock and do have safeties on them. Most choose to remove them.

Here's a link to what I found about the 1st gen safety issue. My post is near the bottom of the page.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=58507.100

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