NEW FLYING DRAGON-PCP!

[airgunwarriors]

A "Cold-Sider" at heart , with the weather the way it is, have decided to give PCP a shot.

Getting the new "FLYING DRAGON-PCP AIR-RIFLE" in .177 Caliber.

www.flyingdragonairrifles.org

At 1500-psi, using 8.3-grain pellet, expecting 1000-fps, with a Full-Power Shot Count of about 20-25 per fill.

The Tube can handle a lot more than 1500-psi, but since I will be using the Hand-Pump from FDAR, pretty sure I'll stick with the 1500-psi.

The Power Setting can be easily adjusted.

Look forward to being able to shoot, regardless of outside temperatures!

Respectfully,

Al.

[geewhiz380]

Thats cool Al ,filling to 3000psi aint no joke for me that is, but with your fdar at 1500psi and shot count of 25 i say u have quite easy ...i like the sound of it ,if its the b50 i hear they come close to the daystate huntsman ags ...from 1500psi to ? u go before pumping back to 1500 ? is it manually adjusted to go up to 3000psi ?does it effect the power or accuratecy ? ....have fun and enjoy  ....jorge

[airgunwarriors]

Thats cool Al ,filling to 3000psi aint no joke for me that is, but with your fdar at 1500psi and shot count of 25 i say u have quite easy ...i like the sound of it ,if its the b50 i hear they come close to the daystate huntsman ags ...from 1500psi to ? u go before pumping back to 1500 ? is it manually adjusted to go up to 3000psi ?does it effect the power or accuratecy ? ....have fun and enjoy  ....jorge

Thanks!:)

Actually, it is based on the XS60C with a different Tube, NOT THE STOCK Co2 TUBE!!!
(I would not go beyond 1800-psi myself, as 1500-psi seems to be plenty good.)

I'm guessing on the shot count being close to 20-25, based on what I have read on this Forum, should be really close.

There's a lot more information at the FDAR section of this Forum on this new PCP.

As far as pumping it up, should be starting from the high 700s or low 800s-psi, not too much work.

Hope that helps!

Respectfully,

Al.

p.s. After I get it and tool around with it some, I'll be able to provide more accurate information on the .177 Model. Have the F1 Chrony on the way as well, so that will be a huge help in providing accurate information.

[mattymatt90]

Hope to see more details soon seems like a good rifle to me with those features.

[airgunwarriors]

Hope to see more details soon seems like a good rifle to me with those features.

For only $100.00, your right!:)

[rsterne]

with a Tube that is rated for up to 6000-psi from what I understand

If you mean the extension tube, depending on material, I can well believe it has a maximum safe working pressure of 6000 psi.... However, the tube of the gun itself, made of unknown material adn only designed for CO2, with a maximum pressure of 1900 psi at 120*F (the maximum "safe" temperature for CO2) wouldn't be designed to have a MSWP of 6000 psi.... I might hae a BURST rating of 6000 psi, but that is an entirely different thing.... I would be VERY cautious of making statements of what you "understand" because they tend to get quoted as gospel by the time it's third hand....

Bob

[airgunwarriors]

with a Tube that is rated for up to 6000-psi from what I understand

If you mean the extension tube, depending on material, I can well believe it has a maximum safe working pressure of 6000 psi.... However, the tube of the gun itself, made of unknown material adn only designed for CO2, with a maximum pressure of 1900 psi at 120*F (the maximum "safe" temperature for CO2) wouldn't be designed to have a MSWP of 6000 psi.... I might hae a BURST rating of 6000 psi, but that is an entirely different thing.... I would be VERY cautious of making statements of what you "understand" because they tend to get quoted as gospel by the time it's third hand....

Bob

The Flying Dragon-PCP comes with a totally different Tube from the Stock Factory Co2 Tube for those of you that do not know.

Again, I personally would not exceed 1800-psi.

All comments are in reference to a PCP Air-Rifle Model with a Tube specially designed for that purpose, not a Co2 Tube.

Respectfully,

Al.

[rsterne]

So the tube is designed for a 6000 psi maximum safe working pressure (MSWP)?.... or is that it's ultimate strength at yield?.... or at burst?.... They are three VERY different things....

My original statement still applies.... and to go along with it, I will extend my comments to all the fittings and fastenings on the gun?.... Are the valve mounting screws rated to withstand a 6000 psi safe WORKING pressure?.... how about the fittings?.... or do you simply not know?.... All fasteners and fittings, and the main tube itself should be designed to have AT LEAST a 2:1 safety margin to their yield strength, which if the gun is to be considered safe at 6000 psi, they should be able to withstand 12,000 without showing any distortion.... Their failure point should be even higher....

Bob

[smythsg]

Thanks Al, have my eye on one of those as well, but probably in .22. I am very interested in your review of the gun when you receive it.

[geewhiz380]

Al ,i just saw them pcp,s u talking bout ,they are cool and im very interested in one myself however im sure mike checks them before shipping if it has accuratecy like thwem qbs im in ...thanks ...jorge

[airgunwarriors]

Al ,i just saw them pcp,s u talking bout ,they are cool and im very interested in one myself however im sure mike checks them before shipping if it has accuratecy like thwem qbs im in ...thanks ...jorge

Yes, as with all of his Air-Guns, I'm quite sure he does a Pre-Buy Inspection on these as well.

For the price, you can't go wrong imho.

Thanks!:)

Al.

[JTB530]

Bob, would you be able to access what is a safe working pressure for the xs60c pcp? I have tried to find as much info on it as I could over the past few months. I had purchased an extended tube made from 4130 steel 22mm x1.5mm tube from Anthony R. that I was considering using for pcp. Then I saw Mike's newest offering and I had to have one. In my reading the main concern that I have found is the threading in the receiver that holds the pressure tube being the weak link because it's a soft aluminum. Is this true and if so can it be fastened with a screw or pin? Does the valve need upgraded fastening? If it is safe or can be made safe I would like to be able to use a 2000+ psi fill if not I'm more than happy with it at 1500.

[airgunwarriors]

Jason,

How do you go about filling your Flying Dragon-PCP?

Thanks!

Al.

[JTB530]

I'm using one of Mike's pumps I bought for the B50. Pumping the xs60pcp to 1500psi is a breeze.

[Ribbonstone]

Like the low pressure concept, love the price.

Am sure I'd live within the recommended pressure limits, they are probably there for a good reason....would like to know the "why" of that, but as Mike definately knows his arse from his elbow, will take his word on it.

[airgunwarriors]

Like the low pressure concept, love the price.

Am sure I'd live within the recommended pressure limits, they are probably there for a good reason....would like to know the "why" of that, but as Mike definately knows his arse from his elbow, will take his word on it.

Ditto!

Al.

[hfenn]

Like the low pressure concept, love the price.

Am sure I'd live within the recommended pressure limits, they are probably there for a good reason....would like to know the "why" of that, but as Mike definately knows his arse from his elbow, will take his word on it.

I believe the reason is because anything much above 1700 you will get valve lock. I'm going on what I read in a thread in the dealer support forum.

[Ribbonstone]

Thinking that at this pressure level on air, would probably make a fine dual use rifle.  Co2 in summer/PCP in winter. Not that much difference in operating pressure, just a different gas, so there may not be a need for any major adjustments when switching.

If you're into bulk filling co2 rather than PCP, might still be a winner.

(got near 80F here today... so still just fine for playing with co2 outside).

[airgunwarriors]

Thinking that at this pressure level on air, would probably make a fine dual use rifle.  Co2 in summer/PCP in winter. Not that much difference in operating pressure, just a different gas, so there may not be a need for any major adjustments when switching.

If you're into bulk filling co2 rather than PCP, might still be a winner.

(got near 80F here today... so still just fine for playing with co2 outside).

Very hot here today as well!

Wow, very good point!

Would be a great feature, if you are correct.

Dual Power Air-Rifle for $100.00!

Great!:)

Respectfully,

Al.

[rsterne]

I wouldn't even hazard a guess as to the strength of any attachments or threads, as we simply don't know the material.... As far as the 4130 tubing you mentioned goes (22mm x 1.5mm), assuming it's seamless or certified, it would have a yield pressure of 9939 psi and a burst of 15302 psi.... Using a 3:1 safety margin to yield, that works out to a MSWP of 3300 psi.... I would NEVER suggest using that tubing to 6000 psi, even at 2:1 you would only be able to use 5000.... and ONLY if the rest of the system has at least a 2:1 safety margin to yield at those pressures....

I certainly agree that Mike knows his stuff.... but I would once again ask the OP if he knows if 6000 psi is the MSWP, the yield pressure, or the burst pressure.... If he doesn't know, he should either find out, or TELL US that he doesn't know.... Sticking your head in the sand is NOT ACCEPTABLE when it comes to safety with HPA.... Comments casually left on the GTA that have to do with safety should be challenged when unsubstantiated, IMO.... and I will continue to do so as a Moderator in the PCP Gate....

EDIT: It would have been nice had you mentioned that you edited your original post to remove the reference to 6000 psi.... but in any case, thank you for doing so....

Bob