Author Topic: For all you new HW owners and for those who don't know (Read 4576 times))

Mark 611 · « **on:** October 18, 2013, 08:24:35 AM »

I posting this info for you guy's who can't understand why your HW rifle won't shoot like it should! I know that spending the kind of money for a rifle like this in most folks opinion they should not have to do anything to it to make it shoot one hole in the paper @30yds

but I'm here to tell that isn't always the case

this is some info that one the tuners out there posted awhile back and IMO he is well respected in the air gun community

these pix show the typical internals of an HW/Beeman German made gun, this is what you can expect from HW in your new gun from the factory

and as you can see the piston seal is packed full of lube

this will cause inconstant velocity's and POI shifts in your accuracy! + eventually burning up your piston seal

this not all that needs to be done to make your HW a good shooter but it covers the basics

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1240111527/The+Anatomy+of+a+Tune-

AB173 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 18, 2013, 10:37:21 AM »

Thanks,you may have just saved me some money.I was planning on buying my first air rifle and was considering the R9 or HW95 but for the price they want for them,I don't plan on spending more or tearing things apart to get it right.

Duckfish · « **Reply #2 on:** October 18, 2013, 11:14:44 AM »

Thanks Mark.

What makers are sending out product that is ready to shoot?

Duck

Mark 611 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 18, 2013, 11:15:12 AM »

I would not look at it in that regard

all air guns {springer's} need some TLC from the box IMO

yes their are some that shoot good from the box with a minimum of having to do anything to them

but they all need to be tore down and de burred and properly lubed or tuned to make them have a long life and bring out their full ability's such as accuracy {etc}

IMO even tho the upper end guns such HW, AA and others need some love to make them be all they can be your still money ahead buying one of these fine spring guns

my reason for this posting was not to discourage anyone from buying any of these rifles I'm merely showing folks what to expect when you do buy one, IMO you will not buy a finer production spring gun then HW or Air Arms JMO

ezman604 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 18, 2013, 11:42:26 AM »

Just as an added note, I purchased an HW97K two years ago from AoA. It was dead nutz accurate from the box and shoots like a laser. I have not and will not open it up since it is shooting fantastic as is. But I too agree ALL airguns can benefit from opening up and a little TLC, as long as you know what you are doing once you get in there.

SAFE & Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave

Roadworthy · « **Reply #5 on:** October 18, 2013, 12:04:20 PM »

Mark, thank you for the post. After difficulties with my gun I did the clean and lube thing. The pictures tell me I really could have gone further but didn't know it at the time. That was the thank you. Now my point - springers do NOT shoot like conventional guns. It has taken me six months of working with the gun and working my technique to get the consistency equal to my .22 rimfire. The high end guns may shoot well out of the box or after a tune but a neophyte should not expect to pick one up and have it be accurate at all. This goes double (or more) for the magnums.

My advice would be to start with something less expensive and decide whether you even LIKE airguns. They are not for everybody.

Of course there's always the PCP direction of travel as well, but even those have things to tune.

tomykay12 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2013, 12:44:44 PM »

I have two HW's that were recently purchased as new from original owners. Both only a few months old and shot little; R9 and HW50s. My plan was to tear them down asap, but they both shoot so well as they are that they will be left until needing service. All mechanical devices need service, and anything manufactured can be improved by careful hand crafting. HW makes a nice rifle, and my experience with these two"out of the box" has been excellent.

Quote from: AB173 on October 18, 2013, 10:37:21 AM

Thanks,you may have just saved me some money.I was planning on buying my first air rifle and was considering the R9 or HW95 but for the price they want for them,I don't plan on spending more or tearing things apart to get it right.

Internet fear mongering here. The R9 is an excellent rifle, and you will find many owners that concur. The price reflects an inherent quality not found in lesser priced offerings. Your money; your choice. Try something Chinese if you want to spend less, but do it for the right reason. Enjoy the journey, tk

Mark 611 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 18, 2013, 12:57:55 PM »

and this go's back to what I stated some do perform well out of the box and some need attention out of the box

and if your rifle isn't performing from the box this is the likely culprit IMO from what is being shown in the pix and from my experience of owning many new HW rifles over the yrs

just my thoughts

palonej · « **Reply #8 on:** October 18, 2013, 01:16:06 PM »

Couldn't agree more Mark.
I will add one more thing.....operator error or unreal expectations. Is that 2 more things???
I have seen more than one member here shoot a high end springer for a couple of days with 1 type of pellet and incorrect form, and blame the rifle and manufacturer. Most times it isn't the rifle. Little TLC and attention to form will bring out the potential most times.
I recently got an HW 97 that is absolutely gorgeous, smooth and powerful.....but wouldn't group for anything!! This after a kit install, polish and trigger tune. After trying lots of different pellets and holds I will never part with this beauty!!! She would only shoot JSB Heavies till broken in....didn't really want to shoot heavies. After about 2000 rounds she now groups beautifully with 8.4 and FTTs.
Along with the TLC, sometimes you MUST blend with the rifle.

mcoulter · « **Reply #9 on:** October 18, 2013, 01:22:54 PM »

Quote from: palonej on October 18, 2013, 01:16:06 PM

Along with the TLC, sometimes you MUST blend with the rifle.

Wow, that's pretty "zen" sounding... I like it! I'm trying to become one with my 48 so I know EXACTLY what you mean.

Duckfish · « **Reply #10 on:** October 18, 2013, 01:28:00 PM »

Become one with the pellet

Duck

palonej · « **Reply #11 on:** October 18, 2013, 01:40:21 PM »

That might hurt Quacky!!! I've yet to see a fish with feathers dude!!!

Not The Brightest Bulb · « **Reply #12 on:** October 18, 2013, 04:36:36 PM »

Quote from: ezman604 on October 18, 2013, 11:42:26 AM

Just as an added note, I purchased an HW97K two years ago from AoA. It was dead nutz accurate from the box and shoots like a laser. I have not and will not open it up since it is shooting fantastic as is. But I too agree ALL airguns can benefit from opening up and a little TLC, as long as you know what you are doing once you get in there.

SAFE & Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave

Sign me up cause my HW gun is best airgun I've shot, (only shot 4) course as a newbie don't got to take me to serious but if I was a pup my tail would be wagging all over the place.

Duckfish · « **Reply #13 on:** October 18, 2013, 06:43:18 PM »

Me too

Quack!

airnutz · « **Reply #14 on:** October 18, 2013, 07:00:35 PM »

What is a HW?

Heavy Weight?

HWNut · « **Reply #15 on:** October 18, 2013, 07:52:48 PM »

I bought already 11 HW guns and not one was inaccurate from the factory but all were overlubed and dieseled at the beginning.

But the thing is, that those rifles get good over time and the feeling of the shot cycle, trigger pull and overall "mechanism" gets better and better with use. I think a lot of folks on the internet are so eager to take the gun apart and put all kind of cr*p into it that they forget shooting the d**m thing.

I'm not saying HW rifles have the best internals BUT they need to be shot with least two tins of pellets and they slowly run in into something great. All my rifles are standard (not a single tuning part in or on them) and if you pick up and shoot a rifle that has already a shot count of 5000 pellets and you pick up the same model that has only 100 down the pipe, you will feel it. Trust me.

Sfttailrdr46 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 18, 2013, 10:06:20 PM »

Buying a high end production springer is just the beginning and as Joe stated there is, to put it another way the dreaded "learning curve" before you and the rifle blend. That also applies to pb's also every gun is different even within the exact same model and caliber

Petey · « **Reply #17 on:** October 19, 2013, 12:52:02 AM »

Great Post Mark,
I can say first hand that some of the HW's come packed heavy. This was the case with my 30s.......Some time and a little lovin that 30s is stone cold tack driver. Production guns are just that. They are not perfection and may need some attention......but bear in mind , what you have purchased is the platform for something great. If it comes out of the box being all you want it to be count yourself fortunate. If it's not then do your homework ask questions and take your time. You'll get exactly what you're looking for.

Happy Shootin To All!
Petey in the Desert.

Mark 611 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 19, 2013, 05:49:27 AM »

I agree Tom it's an older post but their are still new guns that come from HW in that state

and I know Petey has purchased a few in the past yr that were in this condition or worse with other issues

cnjl3 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 19, 2013, 06:55:26 AM »

Mark is referring to the Weihrauch brand of air guns which use the initials HW when identifying their models like HW97.

Quote from: airnutz on October 18, 2013, 07:00:35 PM

What is a HW?

Heavy Weight?

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