Two turkish Patriots 2 suppliers.

[wildman510]

Decided to give the turkish patriot a go.  I bought mine in .22 from pyramid with intentions of a project as long as the gun was accurate i wouldnt send it back.   Gun arrived well packaged.  Took it out and mounted the scope with a handful of different pellets.  Jsbs no good HNs Ftt 5.53 promising pelletes touching at 50yds.  Gun in stock form trigger was heavy and cocking was very gritty.  Knowing that the barrel was ok I decided to keep her and void the warranty giving her a full tune.  Opening her up I found about 2 inches of preload, crappy loose guide no tophat just a flat disk and a sloppy seal.  Made new guides from nylon and a tophat.  Bought 2 seal 1 from ARH and one from vortek.  Lightened the piston and cut 4 coils off the spring and reflattened the end.  Put her back together with vorteks seal very smooth shooting now and a velocity of 870 with FTT.  Cocking was smooth now that I po;ished all machine marks off piston and lubed with moly.  This one was a very simple tune.  Turned into a very sweet shooter.   Now the second Patriot was 25 I recieved was from airgundepot.  Arrived very poorly boxed and was fretting the gun was destroyed.  But opening her up she was fine.  The scope was just laying in the box rolling around.   This patriot turned out to be a nightmare.  Same thing took it out and made sure it was cable of being accurate.  Its favorite food is jsbs 25.6gr  shot mush better then HNs FTT.  Tried the same tune but not lightening the piston and leaving spring full lenght.  Vortek seal made the gun shoot very slow and errartic low 600s.  ARH seal was a go 700s nice shot cycle.  Now the trigger quit working and cocking was still ruff.  Took some polishing of the trigger components and got her up and running.  Cocking I had to button this ones piston and that cured the roughness now shes smooth as can be.  The patriot I recieved from pyramid had longer screws in the trigger and it was adjustable.  The .25 from AGD had lawyer screws in it I had to order longer ones now its good to go about 2lbs each.  The nikko stirling scope recieved with the .25 was junk and rattled apart AGD was no help they wanted the whold gun back.  They both wear BSA stealth tacticals now.  The .25 I had to drill a hole for a scope stop.  BUt after some tuning both guns shoot smooth and are both not very hold sensitive.  Both can achive quarter size groups out to 70ys rested on my hand on a towel.   The tolerances on the guns must very.  seeing the 25 needed buttoning and both needing different seals.

[keystonekid]

Wildman, thank you for your review on the Hatsan Patriot, I have been giving a lot of thought over the last few months about buying one. I have been waiting to hear if Hatsan has gotten their QC issues under control over the past six months or so. I am sure others have gotten great rifle out of the box with really no issues that normal use would not resolve, but I'm just not certain yet if I should spend the money just yet. I would hate to spend money on one, just to spend more money on a full tune right away to get her where she should be if QC was better. Semper Fi Bill

[ray in wi]

Nice and systematic approach to a good shooting gun wildman. I have been thinking of doing the same but I guess now I don't have to. Thank you for your time and effort and your post. 
Regards
Ray

[Novagun]

Would you please explain to me the practice of buttoning the piston and how you go about it?

[ray in wi]

The two methods I know of are
1. Use JM "old school" buttons that glue on the piston, I have used these and they last a long time. I have not yet worn them off of my 34 and it has over 3k thru it
2. Using a mill and delrin rod, counter sink the rod into the piston then turn them true on a lathe.

With either method, the receiver needs to be as true as possible or you will have the issue I did in that the receiver tube I.D at the end was a bit smaller that the I.D. at the compression end. Took a while to true them up with the poor excuse for tooling I had at the time.

Regards
 

[wildman510]

I milled blind holes into the piston and made delrin buttons then turned them down on a lathe to fit.  I bought the patriots looking for a project gun that would turn out to be a real sweet shooter.   First making sure they were accurate before tearing into them.  Im happy with both.  For $300.00 dollars and if you can do your own work I say go for it.  My next project will be replacing the ugly forestock bolt with 2 button heads fastening into a threaded bushing in the reciever.  This mod will be for looks only.  The quatro trigger has potential just needs a little tweaking.

[wildman510]

Im debating on buying the .177 and tuning it to shoot heavies in the low 900fps range.  I figure the weight of this monster and a good tune will make a nice flat shooting .177.  The 22 needed piston lightening so im sure the .177 I could lighten up some more.  TO BE CONTINUED.

[aom22]

The patriot I recieved from pyramid had longer screws in the trigger and it was adjustable. 
The .25 from AGD had lawyer screws in it I had to order longer ones now its good to go about 2lbs each.

Could you tell us the specifications of the screws you ordered?
I have a 125 Sniper whose trigger I'd like to be able to re-adjust to different settings.

[wildman510]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390387171308?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
This is a link for the screw.  You will need to polish the ends.  Do this at your own risk you can make the trigger unsafe!

[wildman510]

I may be willing to tune some hatsan here coming up.  Debur, lube, custom guide and tophat, and piston buttoning if needed, and trigger work.  Ive tuned everything from weihrauchs to gamo and I can tell you hatsans turn out sweet.

[Voltar1]

How do the Hatsan 135 and Patriot compare?
Swept volume?
Power?
Build?

[wildman510]

Ive got a 135 on its way.  Ill have it wensday.  Ill keep you updated.

[wildman510]

Ill be posting pics of the 135 insides and the new parts that ill make.  Im guessing its gonna be the same as the patriots.

[wildman510]

135 arrived today.  Gun was very nice looking had one of the nicest pieces of wood ive seen inawhile.  Would for it to be a keeper but the barrel looked like a fish hook.  Must of been designed for shooting around corners J/K.  Boxed up and back to pyramidair.