daisy 880 vs 760 vs 2100

[lillysdad621]

The 880 can... it will outshoot the 760 with BBs too. The rifling is called Dodecahydral (12 sided) so it actually imparts some modicum of accuracy... and it does not get damage by the BBs... As per lead on your diet... they do make lead free pellets... in fact, daisy does... they work great on low power rifles as the 880. The original 1377 american classics shot BBs quite well too... but you would damage the rifling on the barrel. That is why the newer ones are pellet only.

[myNPS]

The 880 can... it will outshoot the 760 with BBs too. The rifling is called Dodecahydral (12 sided) so it actually imparts some modicum of accuracy... and it does not get damage by the BBs... As per lead on your diet... they do make lead free pellets... in fact, daisy does... they work great on low power rifles as the 880. The original 1377 american classics shot BBs quite well too... but you would damage the rifling on the barrel. That is why the newer ones are pellet only.

Excellent post!  See, I've read many too many 'test reports' where alloy pellets did not perform well; but the key issue may have been they were using alloy pellets in higher-powered AG's.  I will need to get some now and see how they group at my typical power of 5 pumps in the 880.  Then I'll try 10 pumps.  Cool.

Tell me again how the 12-sided rifling makes BB's more accurate?  I think BB's will still roll through the barrel.  And BB's (long-term) will not affect my 880's accuracy because...?  Thanks.

Thom

[Bryan Heimann]

I don't understand how the dodecahydrical rifling improves BB accuracy either.

[lillysdad621]

not sure... but i was told by daisy that the 12 sided type of rifling will not wear with bbs (at least less i imagine...). i bought the hype...lol

[EMrider]

The auto load feature makes is very easy for my kids to shoot BBs.

I did not know about the 880 rifling, but did notice that it shot BBs more accurately than the 2100.  But even so, the absolute accuracy with BBs is poor compared with pellets.

I have been shooting JSB RS 7.3gr pellets through the 880. With ONE pump, they shoot at 295fps.  that is perfect for 15 yard plinking. And the only noise is the "click" of the trigger.  My Sound meter shows a reading of only 77db. 

With only 3 pumps, these pellets shoot at 490-495fps.

R

[Bryan Heimann]

I shot my boy's 880 last night with daisy bb's and at 10 feet it was under a 1 inch group, but at 20 feet the group was bigger than my fist.  Looked like i might hit a can 2 in 3 shots.  I shot a lot though and did adjust the sights.  I will get a good group and take a picture tonight, with both boy's 880's.  i might pull out my old 760 with the broken stock for comparison.  Depends how much shooting I get done before my wife loses her mind lol

[myNPS]

I shot my boy's 880 last night with daisy bb's and at 10 feet it was under a 1 inch group, but at 20 feet the group was bigger than my fist.  Looked like i might hit a can 2 in 3 shots.  I shot a lot though and did adjust the sights.  I will get a good group and take a picture tonight, with both boy's 880's.  i might pull out my old 760 with the broken stock for comparison.  Depends how much shooting I get done before my wife loses her mind lol

From your photo here, I thought perhaps your wife was a shooter too.  That pic of yours needs some color-correction!

I would hope the 760 would group better than 880 with BB's -- but that's from stuff I've read.

Thom

[Bryan Heimann]

Well, here's 760 vs. 880, and bb's vs. pellets in the 880- with a group fired from my benji 392 for comparison.

The first group is ten shots @ ten pumps @ ten yards with the 880, open sights and quicksilver bb's.
The second group is ten shots @ ten pumps @ 17 feet with the 880, open sights and quicksilver bb's.
The third group is 4 shots @ 5 pumps @ 10 yards with open sights and quicksilver bb's, I quit after 4 shots because I could see that a lower velocity wasn't saving this one.

Fourth group- Crosman 760 with the buttstock broke off, for comparison.  10 shots @ 10 pumps @ 5 yards w/ quicksilver bb's, and let me tell you holding that gun steady with no buttstock or even pistol grip was not easy.  Probably could have been better

Fifth group- Daisy 880 10 shots @ ten pumps @ ten yards with open sights and cphp- this is not a bb gun.  It is a pellet gun that happens to work with bb's.

Sixth group- My other boy's daisy 880 10 shots @ ten pumps @ ten yards with a centerpoint 3-9x40 AO scope and cphp's.  And the fact of the matter is, I kept pulling the shots to the right and I still landed all ten in a sub half inch group.  If I wasn't fighting that trigger with the ultralight rifle sliding all over my slippery plastic laundrybasket rest It probably would have been better. I have shot 5-shot groups with this one that were too small to get a c-t-c measurement with the 10.5 grain cpum but I'm out of em.  Not really representative of every 880 out there though, most probably shoot about as good as my oldest boy's gun.

And finally, 5 shots @ 8 pumps @ ten yards with my benji 392, factory open sights, and some benji hollowpoints lubed with 30 wt non-detergent motor oil.  The benji hollowpoints are pretty good in this gun, and I think that lubing with the oil does the trick.  It was going so well, I had to stop after 5 shots because I just KNEW i was going to pull the next one!  This group is a little larger than a quarter inch ctc, , a little smaller than 3/8. Took her to the river and zeroed her in, and I had no problem whatsoever hitting a 1" spinner off-hand at 20 yards.  Almost too easy.

[myNPS]

Well, here's 760 vs. 880, and bb's vs. pellets in the 880- with a group fired from my benji 392 for comparison.

The first group is ten shots @ ten pumps @ ten yards with the 880, open sights and quicksilver bb's.
The second group is ten shots @ ten pumps @ 17 feet with the 880, open sights and quicksilver bb's.
The third group is 4 shots @ 5 pumps @ 10 yards with open sights and quicksilver bb's, I quit after 4 shots because I could see that a lower velocity wasn't saving this one.

Fourth group- Crosman 760 with the buttstock broke off, for comparison.  10 shots @ 10 pumps @ 5 yards w/ quicksilver bb's, and let me tell you holding that gun steady with no buttstock or even pistol grip was not easy.  Probably could have been better

Fifth group- Daisy 880 10 shots @ ten pumps @ ten yards with open sights and cphp- this is not a bb gun.  It is a pellet gun that happens to work with bb's.

Sixth group- My other boy's daisy 880 10 shots @ ten pumps @ ten yards with a centerpoint 3-9x40 AO scope and cphp's.  And the fact of the matter is, I kept pulling the shots to the right and I still landed all ten in a sub half inch group.  If I wasn't fighting that trigger with the ultralight rifle sliding all over my slippery plastic laundrybasket rest It probably would have been better. I have shot 5-shot groups with this one that were too small to get a c-t-c measurement with the 10.5 grain cpum but I'm out of em.  Not really representative of every 880 out there though, most probably shoot about as good as my oldest boy's gun.

And finally, 5 shots @ 8 pumps @ ten yards with my benji 392, factory open sights, and some benji hollowpoints lubed with 30 wt non-detergent motor oil.  The benji hollowpoints are pretty good in this gun, and I think that lubing with the oil does the trick.  It was going so well, I had to stop after 5 shots because I just KNEW i was going to pull the next one!  This group is a little larger than a quarter inch ctc, , a little smaller than 3/8. Took her to the river and zeroed her in, and I had no problem whatsoever hitting a 1" spinner off-hand at 20 yards.  Almost too easy.

I was thinking perhaps you got dieseling with the motor oil?  Results seem as expected.  I would not run & buy a 760 after seeing your results.  I'll keep my 880, and forget BB's.  No, I can load BB's into shotshells.  I'm beginning to want a better trigger in my 880, too.

Wow -- great results on 392 open sights!

Thom

[Bryan Heimann]

No deiseling, these are pumpers

[lillysdad621]

told ya... forget the BBs... shoot only pellets as their inherent accuracy makes them the most logical choice. remember that these are airguns, and they do not kill by massive force, but by placing well chosen shots into vital areas. And even if you are paper punching, the pellets still group better than the BBs.  BBs work well on multishot CO2 guns that allow for fast shooting to targets that are largeish at close distance. i use one for practicing combat handgunning... and it is actually not even a BB gun... but an airsoft replica of my secondary weapon. Weights the same, has blowback action, and at 6 yards it works to keep muscle memory and quick target aquisition skills fresh. If you want to practice shooting but dont like wasting ammo (and at these times, is almost blasphemous to target shoot with regular firearms...) you cant beat the replicas on airsoft.

[Bryan Heimann]

Well, here's 760 vs. 880, and bb's vs. pellets in the 880- with a group fired from my benji 392 for comparison.

The first group is ten shots @ ten pumps @ ten yards with the 880, open sights and quicksilver bb's.
The second group is ten shots @ ten pumps @ 17 feet with the 880, open sights and quicksilver bb's.
The third group is 4 shots @ 5 pumps @ 10 yards with open sights and quicksilver bb's, I quit after 4 shots because I could see that a lower velocity wasn't saving this one.

Fourth group- Crosman 760 with the buttstock broke off, for comparison.  10 shots @ 10 pumps @ 5 yards w/ quicksilver bb's, and let me tell you holding that gun steady with no buttstock or even pistol grip was not easy.  Probably could have been better

Fifth group- Daisy 880 10 shots @ ten pumps @ ten yards with open sights and cphp- this is not a bb gun.  It is a pellet gun that happens to work with bb's.

Sixth group- My other boy's daisy 880 10 shots @ ten pumps @ ten yards with a centerpoint 3-9x40 AO scope and cphp's.  And the fact of the matter is, I kept pulling the shots to the right and I still landed all ten in a sub half inch group.  If I wasn't fighting that trigger with the ultralight rifle sliding all over my slippery plastic laundrybasket rest It probably would have been better. I have shot 5-shot groups with this one that were too small to get a c-t-c measurement with the 10.5 grain cpum but I'm out of em.  Not really representative of every 880 out there though, most probably shoot about as good as my oldest boy's gun.

And finally, 5 shots @ 8 pumps @ ten yards with my benji 392, factory open sights, and some benji hollowpoints lubed with 30 wt non-detergent motor oil.  The benji hollowpoints are pretty good in this gun, and I think that lubing with the oil does the trick.  It was going so well, I had to stop after 5 shots because I just KNEW i was going to pull the next one!  This group is a little larger than a quarter inch ctc, , a little smaller than 3/8. Took her to the river and zeroed her in, and I had no problem whatsoever hitting a 1" spinner off-hand at 20 yards.  Almost too easy.

I was thinking perhaps you got dieseling with the motor oil?  Results seem as expected.  I would not run & buy a 760 after seeing your results.  I'll keep my 880, and forget BB's.  No, I can load BB's into shotshells.  I'm beginning to want a better trigger in my 880, too.

Wow -- great results on 392 open sights!

Thom

My benji is ridiculously accurate.  I had actually traded it a while back, and had to swap back because the guy i traded with couldn't put 5 any tighter than a half inch at ten, and couldn't beat an inch at 25- and he tried every pellet in the straight shooters sample.  I actually had to buy the gun I traded him for, and he just mailed the benji back albeit with a lot of fresh scuffs- probably from "bench resting" on a log.  What can you do?  I'm glad I got it back though.  Probably the most accurate gun I've owned.  Not letting her go this time!  My youngest boy's 880 i think is a little more accurate, but the trigger is heavy and the gun is so light it makes bench resting kind of tough.  Geart off- hand leaning against a tree or something, though.  I just can't imagine anyhing else out there can come close at the price point.  That is basically r7 accuracy for under $50. 

[lillysdad621]

... try a P17... it will blow your mind away... for like 30 bucks.

[myNPS]

My benji is ridiculously accurate.  I had actually traded it a while back, and had to swap back because the guy i traded with couldn't put 5 any tighter than a half inch at ten, and couldn't beat an inch at 25- and he tried every pellet in the straight shooters sample.  I actually had to buy the gun I traded him for, and he just mailed the benji back albeit with a lot of fresh scuffs- probably from "bench resting" on a log.  What can you do?  I'm glad I got it back though.  Probably the most accurate gun I've owned.  Not letting her go this time!  My youngest boy's 880 i think is a little more accurate, but the trigger is heavy and the gun is so light it makes bench resting kind of tough.  Geart off- hand leaning against a tree or something, though.  I just can't imagine anyhing else out there can come close at the price point.  That is basically r7 accuracy for under $50.

Glad you got your gun back.  My 880 is now shooting larger groups than it did a month or so ago.  I'm thinking the barrel needs a cleaning rod through it.  I'm also less happy with the trigger pull.  I do see an occasional flier now too.  I can shoot tighter groups now with my 1077 -- odd because the 1077 has a very long trigger pull.  Both are scoped.

I try to shoot toothpicks jammed in cardboard at 18'.  880 was getting them ~50-60-% of the time, now not so well.  I've not had an issue with the lightness of the 880 -- I  prefer a lighter gun.

Do you clean your 880 barrels?

[myNPS]

... try a P17... it will blow your mind away... for like 30 bucks.

I've never seen one of those.  I do have a Crosman 1008 -- similar I think.  The 1008 is CO2.  P17 is $40+ on Amazon.  Reviews say the P17 is hard to load a pellet in it.  Cocking force reported high as well -- but  a terrific shooter.

[Bryan Heimann]

Probably from shooting bb's.  i doubt you are leading the bore at the low velocity.  Might want to try lubing it up too.  Always lube the pumpers before storage.  I think the steady lubing of the bore from the valve might also contribute to accuracy and reduce friction.  I have read that petroleum products reduce velocity by increasing friction at high speeds, but 600-650 fps might be slow enough that it is still beneficial

[myNPS]

Probably from shooting bb's.  i doubt you are leading the bore at the low velocity.  Might want to try lubing it up too.  Always lube the pumpers before storage.  I think the steady lubing of the bore from the valve might also contribute to accuracy and reduce friction.  I have read that petroleum products reduce velocity by increasing friction at high speeds, but 600-650 fps might be slow enough that it is still beneficial

I've only shot perhaps a dozen BB's when gun was new -- at low pumps too.  I've lubed the foam pad -- but I've not lubed pellets -- ever.  Would you recommend lubing pellets?  What pellets are you using?  I'm hearing clean & lightly lube the barrel?  I use Crosman Pellgun oil.

[Bryan Heimann]

If you clean it use the weedeater cord and patch method and thread it in through the reciever.  I wouldn't roll the dice on using a bore brush with one of these.  I lube mine with non-detergent 30 wt oil.  None of my .177 ammo is lubed.  Did you recently switch pellets, or open a new tin of your favorites?  Sometimes you get a bad tin, or a tin that is sized slightly different from a old or brand new die and the barrel doesn't shoot them as well

[SnoValley]

Don't mean to interrupt this thread but I'm looking at a 822 in an on-line picture and it seems to have wood stocks.
What is an 822 in the Daisy family tree?

[Bryan Heimann]

822 is basically a .22 version of the 880, the wood stock version was sold under the name "22SG" and came with a 4x32 scope.  I like the 880 better than the 22SG.  The 22SG is nice with the metal receiver and the wood, but the stock is proportioned better for ladies and youngsters.  An older 822 with plastic furniture may fit a little better, and as far as I know the 822 never came with plastic receiver.  I will warn you though- the 822 is pretty underpowered.  It will shoot 14-14.5 grain ammo around 495-510 feet per second.  As for fpe of energy, the 880 will match it with 10.5 grain cpum believe it or not, and with a flatter trajectory and better penetration.  The 10.5 grain cpum has as good or better BC as most mid-weight .22 domes.  Also, in my limited experience with one 822, the 880 is more accurate.  But the 822 is a lot of fun for knocking cans around.  For a hunter, i would prefer the 880.