Author Topic: Webley/Hatson Valuemax .20 Cal frusteration (Read 5956 times))

linoww · « **on:** April 07, 2013, 01:54:41 PM »

I have only had it a day but so far i have found not much to like.it twangs like crazy and is pretty noisy and hold sensitive like crazy.I can shoot spring guns pretty well but this one likes to be bear hugged to shoot at all.The fartillary hold was a disaster.So far it cant average even close 1.5" at 25 yards though it had gotten better after barrel swabbing and more shooting(initial groups after the first cleaning were 4").The pellet fit at the breech it too tight and after 300 pellets my finger is blistered.I will have to make a pellet seater to make t hings easier.The barrel has some suspect areas that appear to be low spots in the grooves. Maybe its just weird shadowing but its odd anyway.The trigger is actually better than i had read though.I had thought it would be better than a Chinese springer but its the same gig.

pellets used were the cylinder Benji's and some exact 13.75 JSB's.

I bought it because i liked the 20 caliber idea.I am not giving up i just need some advice.

Mpac · « **Reply #1 on:** April 07, 2013, 02:10:27 PM »

That's the one I'm wanting for a .20 caliber that's some sad news ,hope you get it figured out.

linoww · « **Reply #2 on:** April 07, 2013, 02:59:23 PM »

Just ran it over the Pact and with the Benjamin 14.3's its going 650 fps average.I took off the scope and zero'd it for 10 meters as well.To get on @ 10 meters the rear sight is about topped out.If you go to the lowest setting it is 5" low at 10 meters.At that distance it shot 1" but no better.

I put a clothespin on a string on my neck and that actually is fine fora pellet seater and wont damage the o-ring.

I found another thread that fellows are getting close to 800 with theirs apparently untuned.What gives.Do i really need to take it down and deburr and tune it?

thekid · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2013, 03:23:24 PM »

Could be a seal issue, that would explain the loudness,buzziness and hold sensitivity.
A seal not doing it's job, makes for a nasty springer.

WHITEFANG · « **Reply #4 on:** April 08, 2013, 05:56:25 PM »

Try some H&N FTT. I shoot them in both .20s and they ar not real tight in the LW barrels. The exact 13.75 JSB's shoot great in the 350 .20 and fit great.
350 shoots the ftt at 974 and the jsb 13.75 shoot 880-890. I agree on the seal could be an issue.

GunnerAl · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2013, 07:06:33 PM »

Yet, mine is such a sweet rifle. Mine's a .22 cal though. I haven't grouped it yet, as for me, I'm just inerested in shooting it and it seems to go roughly in the right direction. In the past I've said things similar to - it's nothing to yell and scream about,, or,, it doesn't do anything outstandingly but it does eveything without a problem,, and with Crosman/Webley Accupells, I am getting a bit over 17 ft-lb at the muzzle, which is about 740fps (chrony'd) on average - I think I actually got from 735 to 746 fps from a 10 shot string through the ProChrono Digital.

I love my one,, maybe there's something gone south on yours which just needs fixing or replacement...

Hope you get it sorted too, as it's a lovely rifle to 'pick up and go' with...

linoww · « **Reply #6 on:** April 08, 2013, 10:20:58 PM »

Quote from: thekid on April 08, 2013, 03:23:24 PM

Could be a seal issue, that would explain the loudness,buzziness and hold sensitivity.
A seal not doing it's job, makes for a nasty springer.

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What seal would be suspect?

thekid · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2013, 10:39:46 PM »

Most likely the piston seal.
Could always, shim the breach seal, with some dental floss. This way you eliminate the easiest one first.
More often then not, it is the piston seal, sharp edges on the action nick/shred them, when installed at the factory.

renowntwo · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2013, 10:42:45 PM »

If it's still under warranty send it back to the dealer to see they can fix or replace the AG.

linoww · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2013, 10:44:38 PM »

I just chronograph it and now it's only going 550 fps. only only shooting 3 inch groups @10 meters.I bough is as new old stock from a Gun-broker guy.I am probably having to do it myself or have it done.

linoww · « **Reply #10 on:** April 10, 2013, 10:40:01 PM »

Webley won't do anything for me.They don't warranty seals or springs or a rifle after 28 days. no more Turkish airguns for me. Piece of &^^& !!!!!!!!!!

WHITEFANG · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2013, 10:43:52 PM »

Looks like a tear down? ? Seller should have some type of help!

Fang

z28rod · « **Reply #12 on:** April 11, 2013, 01:34:01 AM »

"I have only had it a day but so far i have found not much to like.it twangs like crazy and is pretty noisy and hold sensitive like crazy.I can shoot spring guns pretty well but this one likes to be bear hugged to shoot at all.The fartillary hold was a disaster.So far it cant average even close 1.5" at 25 yards though it had gotten better after barrel swabbing and more shooting(initial groups "

Send the value max into Rich at Hatsan USA and let him look it over.

linoww · « **Reply #13 on:** April 11, 2013, 02:28:47 AM »

Hatsan USA will look at a Webley branded gun?By the time i ship both ways that will add about $60 to the price of the gun before any work done.its not as $200 gun.I like the weight and balance of the gun just not the issues i am having.

Raizer · « **Reply #14 on:** April 11, 2013, 04:26:53 AM »

They should.

If your up to tuning it yourself the member pete on here makes seals for them, and they are a real simple gun to clean up!

Ken T · « **Reply #15 on:** April 22, 2013, 01:00:03 AM »

I just obtained a .20 cal Valuemax and test fired it today.Pellet fit is tight with Webley Accupells but I like that.Accuracy was good. I will chronograph in a few days.Trigger pull is bit heavy but I haven't looked into that yet.Lot of wheel bearing grease in the area of the barrel lockup.No smoke or dieseling.I consider it an excellent value for the money.I got it delivered for just under $160.00.Noticed the price went up a few days after I placed the order.

linoww · « **Reply #16 on:** April 24, 2013, 11:51:21 PM »

I havnt repaired mine yet.it chronographs 550-580 fps with Benjamin cylinders and shoots 5" ++ groups at 25 metres.I hope yours is better than my experience so far.

Ken T · « **Reply #17 on:** April 26, 2013, 09:36:21 PM »

My Valuemax averages 739 fps with 14.3 grain Accupells and 741 fps with Benjamin cylinders.It is not broken in yet.First shot with both pellets was about 30 fps faster than remainder.I will try JSB and H&N pellets next and do some accuracy testing from bench rest.So far so good.

linoww · « **Reply #18 on:** April 28, 2013, 01:03:10 PM »

Quote from: Ken T on April 26, 2013, 09:36:21 PM

My Valuemax averages 739 fps with 14.3 grain Accupells and 741 fps with Benjamin cylinders.It is not broken in yet.First shot with both pellets was about 30 fps faster than remainder.I will try JSB and H&N pellets next and do some accuracy testing from bench rest.So far so good.

I am envious.i sure wish mine was like that.How is it shooting?

george

WHITEFANG · « **Reply #19 on:** April 28, 2013, 06:35:40 PM »

Throw the cly bens out the door. Ftt / jsb exacts on the .20.. jsb fit the lw barrels good but are heavery than the ftt. Shoot a tad bit slower but are accurate. The .20 lw will shoot the crosmans as wel and a very good fit.
Not sure what your issue is. Breech seal is a easy fix!! Gun maybe full of the mystery lube past the piston seal. .20 is a great caliber for me. You got the welby HATSAN. SORRY. THEY SEEM TO BE STILL A HIT AND MISS.

FANG

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Webley/Hatson Valuemax .20 Cal frusteration

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