How much accuracy will i gain when i install my pivot washers/

[howie1968]

I was kind of curious how much accuracy will i gain when i install my pivot washers when they arrive? if im not mistaken they7 are to take up the space between the barrel and youke, therefore giving a consitant lock up. A;lso if not mistaken when installing i need to  put a dap of molly paste on the beveled side out and  blue locktite the screw? thanks in advance for any tips

[dukemeister]

You could see as much as 25% improvement. 
OK, just messing with you. You know what the brass washers are for, so depending on how the rifle was grouping with the stock washers you may or may not see any accuracy gains. It shouldn't make it any worse, thats for sure and they will wear longer than the stock ones. I had to do a lot more than just substitute brass washers to my Crosman NP to get it to group decent.

[howie1968]

a few groups from before the washers



10 shots 20 yards crossman premier 14.3 hollowpoints

[Motorhead]

Think it safe to say ... adding washers offers improves accuracy "Potential" ... when the OEM washers are worn/damaged or incorrectly adjusted.
If your factory washers are tight and barrels not moving side to side because of wear/adjustment issues .... nothing to be gained, YET 

[Bullit]

Yea Howie, look at it as a measure that averts the problem.

[howie1968]

thanks men glad i ordered them. How long are these factory seals good and stuff? or should i send my gun off to have it proffesionally lubed and tuned im happy with the accuracy at this point but if a professional lube and ton will make it that much better then maybe i should bite the bullet and do thaty as well

[Bullit]

If you're happy, and it is sure grouping good for a new unit...I'd keep shooting it.  You'll both get better with time.  It's Not broke.

[QuigleyUpYonder]

You only gain accuracy if your existing plastic washers are shot/not doing their job and judging by the vertical stringing of your groups, I'd say your gain will be "zero". Bad washers usually result in horizontal stringing. What you WILL gain will be long term durability and consistency and that is well worth the trouble and expense! To think, the bean counters made those parts out of plastic is outrageous!  ..especially on a $300 gun!!

Since you're asking about the seal, I'm assuming you haven't read the dozens of threads/posts about how tore up they come from the factory? Use Google for more reading and consider yourself lucky because mine was gouged badly! The receiver tube is threaded and the sharp threads instantly ruin a new seal upon assembly. Deburring and making a sleeve to get past the threads is a simple/easy fix. And, once again, you would think they would do such things at the factory when they put the things together, bu NO! There's really no excuse for this kind of gross negligence, but you can't do anything but send 'em back for warranty or fix it yourself. Par for the course in 2012 I suppose...

[howie1968]

Quigley yes sir ive spent 2 weeks solid at least 4 hours a day when not shooting my  rifle reading every tip tactic post on this forumn as well as you tube videos etc, im not real mechanical the trigger was easy but think id leave  the lube  tuning and deburring to someone that does this often not something id want to tackle at this point who would you recomend to do the job?

[QuigleyUpYonder]

Howie,
It might sound odd, but being relatively new (on the internet) I don't really know anybody to recommend. You see, I've been shooting and fixing my own air guns since the '80's, so I'm not exactly a newbie. I've always had a knack for building things so this all comes easy to me. I can understand not wanting to tackle a "tune" on your own for the first time because you sometimes run into surprises and that's where experience comes in, so there's nothing wrong with letting a pro do it, just check out their references and you should be good to go.     

..oh wait, I think Shadow is a tuner here but that's all I know, or maybe he does custom paint jobs? ..I can't remember for sure. Shoot him a PM. Others will surely chime on more!

[jusanothajoe]

Shadow has tuned two for me and I could not be any happier. great guy, great tuner

[FuzzyGrub]

When I changed mine, had run around 1500 pellets through it.  The washers were slightly cut-up, but the bigger issue it highlighted, was my pivot screw was loosening up.   I tightened when it was new, but continued to walk until I used some blue locktite.  Groups would gradually walk. 

[dryanw]

Your rifle is already grouping really well...

[Bullit]

You Got Them in Yet?

[howie1968]

KY Mike no sir havent got them in yet stil waiting for them to show up in my mailboc