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No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« on: August 01, 2012, 08:51:25 PM »
Illinois shooters can now buy any fps .177-cal. airguns...no FOID!
Public Act 097-0776 has just passed the IL state legislature, and they no longer care how fast your gun goes (as long as it's .18 cal. or smaller).

Previously any caliber AG 700 fps or over needed a FOID card. I think .22 cal AG still needs a FOID.
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 01:22:55 AM »
Wow, cool to know. Hard to believe something like that passed in IL. I've had an FOID for 20+ years but I think this a good thing.
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 02:09:22 AM »
I just about crapped myself when I got the email from PA today.  What a fantastic idea from the folks in our very own IL government.  I am a happy tax payer today.  Tomorrow, well we shall see.....LOL
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2012, 11:42:11 AM »
WOW and Congrats to Ill. legislation for some common sense.
I know you guys are happy... 
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2012, 12:19:22 PM »
WHEN? WHEN? WHEN??

This is GREAT news! Is there an official act or link so I can take it to BassPro on Saturday? They required one (for which I applied, but it's not in the mail yet)

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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2012, 12:29:53 PM »
http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0776

Quote:
""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
        (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which either expels a single globular projectile
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or and which has a
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or
    breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors;
        (1.1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels breakable paint balls containing
    washable marking colors;"


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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2012, 02:33:57 PM »
Huge disrespect to BassPro!
No sales assistant came up to me in 20 minutes... so I went to their desk where two assistants were chatting about some random &^^& that they did yesterday.. again, no attention to me when I was just staring at them. Finally, they don't know anything about this IL ACT . The printout from the internet did not help (he read it three times, and I specifically pointed to the "EXCLUDING 0.18" etc part) , and I did not get my AG.
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2012, 02:40:09 PM »
Illinois shooters can now buy any fps .177-cal. airguns...no FOID!
Public Act 097-0776 has just passed the IL state legislature, and they no longer care how fast your gun goes (as long as it's .18 cal. or smaller).

Previously any caliber AG 700 fps or over needed a FOID card. I think .22 cal AG still needs a FOID.
     

We have to be just like the opposition and take it, little by little, step by step.  jrfan                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2012, 09:30:23 PM »
We have to be just like the opposition and take it, little by little, step by step.  jrfan                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2012, 11:57:53 AM »
Huge disrespect to BassPro!
No sales assistant came up to me in 20 minutes... so I went to their desk where two assistants were chatting about some random &^^& that they did yesterday.. again, no attention to me when I was just staring at them. Finally, they don't know anything about this IL ACT . The printout from the internet did not help (he read it three times, and I specifically pointed to the "EXCLUDING 0.18" etc part) , and I did not get my AG.

*sigh* Did you talk with a manager? They would be able to make the call easier, or at least contact the right guy in the corporate office to get their store policy changed and communicated. Tell them they are gonna lose business to wally world if the don't keep up on the laws.
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2012, 12:00:09 PM »
I was a bit too perturbed to stay there any longer, so I left.. :) I should have talked to the manager tho, you are right
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2012, 03:27:48 PM »
http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0776

Quote:
""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
        (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which either expels a single globular projectile
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or and which has a
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or
    breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors;
        (1.1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels breakable paint balls containing
    washable marking colors;"


YESSS!

I've read this a few times and to me it looks like the .177 over 700 fps is still a issue.  Help me to understand.
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2012, 03:30:14 PM »
The quote in my response is not 100% correct, as some words in the original Act are cross out. Please refer to the original IL Act.

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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2012, 07:22:54 PM »
I interpret the link as:
The rule was AGs are considered firearms excluding .177 cal AND less than 700 fps.
The rule is now AGs are considered firearms excluding .177 cal OR less than 700 fps.

So, now any .177 cal AG doesn't need a FOID. Also, any AG with a max velocity of less than 700 fps doesn't need a FOID no matter the caliber. Am I reading that right? I just realized the "or which has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 fps" part today. Time to get the .50 cal Dragon Claw PCP!!! 200 FPE will take out a small deer!!!!!
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2012, 07:25:32 PM »
I believe, your interpretation is correct.
Now - try to persuade stupid BassPro so-called assistants :)
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2012, 07:26:44 PM »
http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0776

Quote:
""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
        (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which either expels a single globular projectile
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or and which has a
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or
    breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors;
        (1.1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels breakable paint balls containing
    washable marking colors;"


YESSS!

I've read this a few times and to me it looks like the .177 over 700 fps is still a issue.  Help me to understand.
Yes, as you are reading the existing law, before change...the 700fps was always the stickler in the existing law.
If the law is now changed, the 700fps restriction is removed.
Hope this helps.  Mike
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2012, 07:29:14 PM »
I think that the size restriction of .18 or less will still apply.
A .20, .22, .30, etc would still require FOID
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2012, 01:19:28 AM »
I interpret the link as:
The rule was AGs are considered firearms excluding .177 cal AND less than 700 fps.
The rule is now AGs are considered firearms excluding .177 cal OR less than 700 fps.

So, now any .177 cal AG doesn't need a FOID. Also, any AG with a max velocity of less than 700 fps doesn't need a FOID no matter the caliber. Am I reading that right? I just realized the "or which has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 fps" part today. Time to get the .50 cal Dragon Claw PCP!!! 200 FPE will take out a small deer!!!!!

LOL.   Buy it!!!
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2012, 11:08:33 AM »
I think that the size restriction of .18 or less will still apply.
A .20, .22, .30, etc would still require FOID

Even if it's under 700 fps?
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Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2012, 11:19:22 AM »
Yes.  As these calibers were never in the exempt list, since they are OVER the .18 limit.  Remember;  You had to meet BOTH  requirements for exemption under the old law...SPEED & SIZE

I think the smartest thing about this change in the law, was to eliminate the speed requirement, and just state that anything under .18 is exempt.  Too hard to enforce the fps rule, and a source for much controversy.  Plus, the benefit of new revenue due to expanded sales taxes now. Makes sense to me.

But still...the limitation of .18 stands.  Simple and Clear IMO.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2012, 11:24:25 AM by KYMike »
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