Webley Patriot Review Revisited

[Dick Tracey]

I did a 2 part review on this gun about a year ago.  I had been asked some accuracy questions in another post.  Rather than take up that posts space I decided to post this.

First a  couple of pics of the rifle







The target is 3" shoot n see Sticky.  The 9 ring is 2" and 10 ring is 1"  Red dot is .25"  or 25 Cal
The first five group shot is Eunjin 38 G pellets.   All distances are 60' or 20 Yards



The second group of five shots is JSB Exacts 25.4 G



The last group of five shots is Benjamin Domes



This last target was used to shoot 3 or four times with each brand pellet before shooting at above targets.




Now I am Not the greatest shot in the world but I am not the poorest.  I qualified in the air force with a 30 cal each year for three years and I qualified expert each time.  I also noticed that on the last target with Benji's the safety was hard to switch off.  I discovered that the scope had moved back far enough to interfere with safety operations.  I definately need to get a single scope mount.  So you have to take scope movement into account with these targets.



I am shooting standing up and using the bag placing my hand on the bag and snugly holding the rifle.  The  bag is sitting on top of my BBQ grill.  One of my winter projects is to make a shooting bench.


All things considered I feel this is an accurate Hunting Rifle, at least in my hands.
 
UPDATE


Remounted the scope using a 11cm to weaver adapter  also different shooting set up using Caldwell 7 rest to bench shoot.

Set up





sighted the scope in and took a few practice shots.  Started 5 shot group and safety started to jam.  Looked and scope had shifted again.  Took Rifle back in and reassembled scope mount.  This time I really crancked down on the screws, a lot tighter than I like.  Put some tape on receiver to indicate if scope is moving.

Return to shooting bench and did a six shot group with JSB Exact King 25.4G.




The hole that the label is pointing to is two pellets but I can't be sure of it.  That is why I did 6 shots the flyer was already there.  C to C on Flyer is 1.4"  C to C without flyer is 1.08"  Checked the scope and it has not moved.



Never shot from bench rest before takes a little getting used to.  using an artillery hold trying to keep the gun but firm on my shoulder.  I am starting to under stand cheek weld now.  In fact a lot of things are becoming clear now.

It has started to rain so I have to quit, wanted to get this much posted

[Dick Tracey]

I forgot to mention, the pellet trap I was using is one of the better ones with a couple of sheets of heavy material hanging behind the cardboard and a thick piecs of aluminum for the deflector in back.  The .25 cal bent  the aluminum sheet and after hammering it for about 30 or 40 shots the plastic ffingers that holds the aluminum to the trap broke off.   The trap is fixable but at 60' the 25 cal shure took its toll on it.

[aom22]

This may not answer the accuracy questions because of problems encountered in review.

I had been asked some accuracy questions in another post.
All things considered I feel this is an accurate Hunting Rifle, at least in my hands.

Considering the scope shift error.
What you estimate what would be the size of the groups ... center-to-center.
If you had not encountered scope problems.

[aom22]

UPDATE
Remounted the scope using a 11cm to weaver adapter  also different shooting set up using Caldwell 7 rest to bench shoot.
It has started to rain so I have to quit, wanted to get this much posted

Dick Tracey, thanks for the extra effort.
This really helps to quantify and clarify what a perspective buyer might expect performance-wise of the Turkish-Patriot.

[stevemag]

so if you had to choose one. the walther, the hatsan or the patriot...do you prefer one over the other?

[Dick Tracey]

Personally I would pick the webley because of the wood stock.  The WFH and the Webley may have the same mechanicals.

DT

[aom22]

Walther Falcon .25 - Jim Chapman   http://www.americanairgunhunter.com/waltherfalcon.html

Comparing the Walther Falcon to the Webley Patriot.

Which of these rifles is a better buy?
Recent circumstances make this a hard question to answer.

The issue is, that even though both guns are built in the Hatsan facilities, there have been production missteps with the Weblys.
The quality control that I was assured would be managed through historic Webley channels hasn't yet been implemented.
The first Patriot production run from which I received my gun was very well made.
Subsequent production runs have been substandard.


Between the two guns the Patriot appeals to me more, as I like a traditional stock.
But I could recommend either gun dependent on the buyers need and how much they wanted to spend,
with the proviso that the quality on the Patriot is improved and that of the Falcon is maintained.

[aom22]

SteveMag ... did you see this?
Depending on your quarry, the T-Patriot might make the better under 50yds hunter.

Dick Tracey ... which one of these rifles do you consider the most accurate?

How about a hatsan 135 in .25?    Sorry you said other than Hatsan. 
My Webley Patriot I think is running about 29 FPE.  Oh that is a Hatsan made. 
I have a Ruger Air Magnum with a .25 cal barrel on it but I don't think it is as strong. 

This info was taken using JSB Exact King Dome 25.4G

       Make                    Tuned        Avg FPS              Ave Energy

Walther Falcon Hunter     N              659.7                 24.62

Walther Talon                 Y               629.4                 22.45

Webley Patriot                Y              752.2                  29.79

Ruger Air Marnum           N              594.9                 20.2


The Webley and Two Walther's Were made by Hatsan.  The WFH was in ithe first batch shipped in.

The Ruger was purchased as a .177 cal.  The Barrel is a .25 Cal for a B28.

I know it is a different class but I discovered that I have not chronied my .25 Maurader.  I will have to put that on my list for next week.