.25cal mod 95 at PA

[Powder burner]

   what do you think? 

[microsalmo]

I was looking at that too. Not sure how I feel about it. Still, it should be a 19 fpe gun for $150. Not bad.

[Tarheel]

I was looking at that too. Not sure how I feel about it. Still, it should be a 19 fpe gun for $150. Not bad.

And with a 100mm stroke "yellow" gas ram conversion . . .


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Dave

[Nathan]

Well, you'd get a shorter (~44 in) rifle which would make it a little easier to handle than some of the 48+ long guns. If it makes close to the advertised 650 fps (which Hatsan usually do) it would be a pretty powerful thumper in a smaller package. It could be a great short range hunter.....assuming, of course, you don't get one with some of the QC issues we've seen in other Hatsan rifles......

Nathan

[Tarheel]

It could be a great short range hunter.....assuming, of course, you don't get one with some of the QC issues we've seen in other Hatsan rifles......

BUT, it is sold by PyramydAir . . . Simple, no hassle exchange, if necessary, UNLIKE other vendors !

Dave

[Nathan]

It could be a great short range hunter.....assuming, of course, you don't get one with some of the QC issues we've seen in other Hatsan rifles......

BUT, it is sold by PyramydAir . . . Simple, no hassle exchange, if necessary, UNLIKE other vendors !

Dave

Good point, Dave.
Even w/o a gas ram upgrade, it could make a great thumper.

Nathan

[Devin]

   what do you think?

I'll start by saying that I think .25 cal would be nice on the 95, it's definately no slouch in the power department, and you feel it in the shot cycle. .25 would make a great hunter/pester within whatever range you could place the shots well.

I think it has been made pretty clear hear in the Turkish Gate what you are dealing with and the risks you take when you decide to buy a Hatsan springer. If you have experience taking a springer apart and performing a basic inspection and lube tune then it may be a good buy. My father's 95 gave up within a couple hundred shots, and it's replacement was plagued with the same quality issues so I tuned it for him. While inside I found the piston seal to be fairly undersized which is cause for concern since none of the aftermarket quality piston seals fit the Hatsan piston without modification. I also found the barrel on the replacement to be "over-bored", I have a pull-through cleaning rig that I sized for .22 rifles and it fits considerably looser in the Hatsan than any other .22cal I have. This was confirmed when I went to push different pellets through the bore with a rod and found that they all have very little resistance and in some places will nearly free fall. The lack of "engagement" between the pellets and the bore can and will cause accuracy issues. It's no wonder that even after a tune my fathers 95 is throwing curve balls all over the paper. I would have to attribute this to the poorly sized piston seal and the over sized bore.

Add to this that direct support from HatsanUSA has proved dismal, and the availability of other parts is non-existant and you get a rifle really only suitable for those who are inclined and have the necessary tooling to maintain them.

For what it's worth, the customer service we received from Airgun Depot was top notch, and I certainly would not hesitate to order anything from them.

[Tarheel]

For what it's worth, the customer service we received from Airgun Depot was top notch, and I certainly would not hesitate to order anything from them.

Pyramyd Air is the "King of Customer Service" . . .

This thread talks about Airgun Depot . . .

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,30325.0.html

Dave

Dave

[Smackey54]

If anyone is thinking of installing a gas spring in a mod 95, I would recommend staying away from a "Yellow" rated NP. The barrel of the Mod 95 is shorter than the WFH and I am thinking the 125/135 model guns. It would be a real bugger to cock...and there is the chance of bending the barrel....
Just my $.02........
Mark

[Devin]

For what it's worth, the customer service we received from Airgun Depot was top notch, and I certainly would not hesitate to order anything from them.

Pyramyd Air is the "King of Customer Service" . . .

This thread talks about Airgun Depot . . .

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,30325.0.html

Dave

Dave

That post has NOTHING to do with buying a defective gun and getting a replacement should it be necessary.

Scott at AGD had a response to me within an hour, and e-mailed a paid for shipping label to return the defective Hatsan and had the replacement shipped the very next day.

The original Hatsan we ordered also didn't have a scope in the box. Once again, Scott had got back to me within an hour and had HatsanUSA directly send me a scope.

All of this without asking for a lick of evidence or questioning my honesty as a customer.

If that isn't an example of over-the-top customer service, I don't know what is.

Do not hesitate to order from AGD...if you have to e-mail or call to see if something is in stock, big deal. It's good practice to do that anyway with the smaller airgun websites.

Communication skills go a long way.

[Ray]

   what do you think?

I'll start by saying that I think .25 cal would be nice on the 95, it's definately no slouch in the power department, and you feel it in the shot cycle. .25 would make a great hunter/pester within whatever range you could place the shots well.

I think it has been made pretty clear hear in the Turkish Gate what you are dealing with and the risks you take when you decide to buy a Hatsan springer. If you have experience taking a springer apart and performing a basic inspection and lube tune then it may be a good buy. My father's 95 gave up within a couple hundred shots, and it's replacement was plagued with the same quality issues so I tuned it for him. While inside I found the piston seal to be fairly undersized which is cause for concern since none of the aftermarket quality piston seals fit the Hatsan piston without modification. I also found the barrel on the replacement to be "over-bored", I have a pull-through cleaning rig that I sized for .22 rifles and it fits considerably looser in the Hatsan than any other .22cal I have. This was confirmed when I went to push different pellets through the bore with a rod and found that they all have very little resistance and in some places will nearly free fall. The lack of "engagement" between the pellets and the bore can and will cause accuracy issues. It's no wonder that even after a tune my fathers 95 is throwing curve balls all over the paper. I would have to attribute this to the poorly sized piston seal and the over sized bore.

Add to this that direct support from HatsanUSA has proved dismal, and the availability of other parts is non-existant and you get a rifle really only suitable for those who are inclined and have the necessary tooling to maintain them.

For what it's worth, the customer service we received from Airgun Depot was top notch, and I certainly would not hesitate to order anything from them.

Yeah my 125 sniper 22 cal the pellets don't fit tight at all.That's why its shooting around corners.Any way to fix that?Or just find a tighter fitting pellet.

[Tarheel]

Do not hesitate to order from AGD...if you have to e-mail or call to see if something is in stock, big deal. It's good practice to do that anyway with the smaller airgun websites.

Read the AGD thread for yourselves . . . Draw your own conclusions

Remember, a "smaller airgun website" may not have an item in for quite some time, compared to a "larger airgun website" . . .

Of course, with a smaller or non-existent inventory, turnaround times on exchanges could be lengthy, as well.

Dave

[Tarheel]

Yeah my 125 sniper 22 cal the pellets don't fit tight at all.That's why its shooting around corners.Any way to fix that?Or just find a tighter fitting pellet.

Short of changing the barrel, an exchange might be wise . . . This is especially true, if your pellets are of the correct diameter and the bore of the barrel is out of spec.

Dave

[Devin]

   what do you think?

I'll start by saying that I think .25 cal would be nice on the 95, it's definately no slouch in the power department, and you feel it in the shot cycle. .25 would make a great hunter/pester within whatever range you could place the shots well.

I think it has been made pretty clear hear in the Turkish Gate what you are dealing with and the risks you take when you decide to buy a Hatsan springer. If you have experience taking a springer apart and performing a basic inspection and lube tune then it may be a good buy. My father's 95 gave up within a couple hundred shots, and it's replacement was plagued with the same quality issues so I tuned it for him. While inside I found the piston seal to be fairly undersized which is cause for concern since none of the aftermarket quality piston seals fit the Hatsan piston without modification. I also found the barrel on the replacement to be "over-bored", I have a pull-through cleaning rig that I sized for .22 rifles and it fits considerably looser in the Hatsan than any other .22cal I have. This was confirmed when I went to push different pellets through the bore with a rod and found that they all have very little resistance and in some places will nearly free fall. The lack of "engagement" between the pellets and the bore can and will cause accuracy issues. It's no wonder that even after a tune my fathers 95 is throwing curve balls all over the paper. I would have to attribute this to the poorly sized piston seal and the over sized bore.

Add to this that direct support from HatsanUSA has proved dismal, and the availability of other parts is non-existant and you get a rifle really only suitable for those who are inclined and have the necessary tooling to maintain them.

For what it's worth, the customer service we received from Airgun Depot was top notch, and I certainly would not hesitate to order anything from them.

Yeah my 125 sniper 22 cal the pellets don't fit tight at all.That's why its shooting around corners.Any way to fix that?Or just find a tighter fitting pellet.

You can look for .22 cal pellets with a larger head diameter, but only few pellet manufacturers are consistent enough to actually label their tins, namely JSB and H&N.

JSB's standard is 5.52mm

H&N makes the FTT pellet up to 5.55mm. If you want to give them a try PA has the head diameter listed.

[Ray]

As it stands, Shadow is doing a tune on it but, if the barrel is oversize all I can do is try those big H&N and JSB pellet and hope for the best.Money spent, I could have got a marauder lol.
Thanks for the advice guys.
Ray

[Devin]

Do not hesitate to order from AGD...if you have to e-mail or call to see if something is in stock, big deal. It's good practice to do that anyway with the smaller airgun websites.

Read the AGD thread for yourselves . . . Draw your own conclusions

Remember, a "smaller airgun website" may not have an item in for quite some time, compared to a "larger airgun website" . . .

Of course, with a smaller or non-existent inventory, turnaround times on exchanges could be lengthy, as well.

Dave

Revert to my original post "the customer service we received from Airgun Depot was top notch"

You followed up with an unrelated thread about ordering out of stock items. (This has nothing to do with actual customer service). Not everybody has a high speed, fully automated, real time stock updates and holds no justification in knocking my experience with their bend over backwards service that I was provided.

I posted details of the amazing customer service I received from Scott, and again you point out the unrelated thread you posted.

I don't need to draw conclusions from an unrelated post as I have first hand experience with AGD's customer service, which couldn't have been better.

[Tarheel]

You followed up with an unrelated thread about ordering out of stock items. (This has nothing to do with actual customer service). Not everybody has a high speed, fully automated, real time stock updates and holds no justification in knocking my experience with their bend over backwards service that I was provided.

I guess you forgot that the "topic" is about a particular airgun at Pyramyd Air, NOT at AGD.

Do these words sound "familiar" ? They should because they are yours . . .

QUOTES:

1 - "I'll start by saying that I think .25 cal would be nice on the 95, it's definately no slouch in the power department, and you feel it in the shot cycle. .25 would make a great hunter/pester within whatever range you could place the shots well."

2 - "I think it has been made pretty clear hear in the Turkish Gate what you are dealing with and the risks you take when you decide to buy a Hatsan springer. If you have experience taking a springer apart and performing a basic inspection and lube tune then it may be a good buy."

3 - "Add to this that direct support from HatsanUSA has proved dismal, and the availability of other parts is non-existant and you get a rifle really only suitable for those who are inclined and have the necessary tooling to maintain them."

4 - "For what it's worth, the customer service we received from Airgun Depot was top notch, and I certainly would not hesitate to order anything from them."

END QUOTES:

Item by item . . .

1 - You say the .25 would be nice in the Hatsan 95 and you "endorse it".

2 & 3 - Then you turn around and "bash" Hatsan . . .

4 - You bring Airgun Depot up, "out of the blue"

Now, the "basis" for my response to your post :

You brought Airgun Depot up, out of the blue and I merely pointed out a recent thread about them, "today", not a while back.

My post was not about the "customer service you received from Airgun Depot" . . . It WAS / IS about reasons to "hesitate to order anything from them" . . .

Pyramyd Air is the best in online airgun sales, as born out by the majority of everything that has been posted about them, and that is a "fact" . . . AGD cannot lay claim to that !

"Personal bias" has no place in an objective discussion . . . Facts are always best and "true history" always speaks for itself.

I've had enough "mental chess" . . .

Dave

[Devin]

You followed up with an unrelated thread about ordering out of stock items. (This has nothing to do with actual customer service). Not everybody has a high speed, fully automated, real time stock updates and holds no justification in knocking my experience with their bend over backwards service that I was provided.

I guess you forgot that the "topic" is about a particular airgun at Pyramyd Air, NOT at AGD.

Do these words sound "familiar" ? They should because they are yours . . .

QUOTES:

1 - "I'll start by saying that I think .25 cal would be nice on the 95, it's definately no slouch in the power department, and you feel it in the shot cycle. .25 would make a great hunter/pester within whatever range you could place the shots well."

2 - "I think it has been made pretty clear hear in the Turkish Gate what you are dealing with and the risks you take when you decide to buy a Hatsan springer. If you have experience taking a springer apart and performing a basic inspection and lube tune then it may be a good buy."

3 - "Add to this that direct support from HatsanUSA has proved dismal, and the availability of other parts is non-existant and you get a rifle really only suitable for those who are inclined and have the necessary tooling to maintain them."

4 - "For what it's worth, the customer service we received from Airgun Depot was top notch, and I certainly would not hesitate to order anything from them."

END QUOTES:

"Personal bias" has no place in an objective discussion . . . Facts are always best and "true history" always speaks for itself.

Dave

I simply stated the exact experience I had with their customer service, which provoked you to shoot both me and them down with a thread that in no way relates to it.

I posted nothing but the facts and "true history". They provided me with exceptional service (you can't argue that) which isn't found in many parts these days. I'm nobody special to AGD  and don't see why others wouldn't be given the same service provided you know how to communicate well and not be a pissy customer.

And now you tell me I have no place in this discussion? I'm of the group that has ACTUAL experience. You seem to attack real experience quite often, while providing none of your own.

Everything in my original post is completely related, you just happened to try your best to fragment it.

1. Yes a .25 model 95 would be nice. (Just because I think it would be nice, doesn't mean I'm in denial about the potential and likely flaws)

2&3. Hatsans have issues which make it a gamble to buy one. Therefore, do your own work, or buy from a place that will take care of you should you get a lemon.

4. I have dealt with AGD concerning Hatsan lemons and their service was abolutely seamless and stress-free.

All of this amounts to very good information for a potential buyer like the OP. I'm not spreading lies or bad information. I share only the truth about my experience which is all we can do here (and some of us are even uncapable of that).

What originality and helpful information have you contributed to the thread? All I got from you is basically buy from PA because everyone else is bad.

Enough is enough.

[Tarheel]

Back to the original topic of this thread . . .

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/hatsan-95-air-rifle-combo-walnut-stock?m=2678

My "take" on the Hatsan 95, as sold by Pyramyd Air, that the OP originally asked about.

In .25 caliber, the Model is only rated for 650 fps . . . This will result in a non-flat trajectory and be subject to rapid velocity loss, caused by aerodynamic drag. Couple that with the expense of .25 caliber pellets, and the Model 95 in .25 caliber appears not to be the best choice.

Recommendations:

1 - Consider the Model 95 in .22 caliber . . . rated for 800 fps with a flatter trajectory, greater downrange ballistic performance, and lower pellet cost.

2 - Consider a Model 125 variant, if you must have a .25 caliber rifle. It is powerful enough to flatten out the trajectory and extend downrange performance, but with the penalty of greater pellet expense.

Dave

[Devin]

Back to the original topic of this thread . . .

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/hatsan-95-air-rifle-combo-walnut-stock?m=2678

My "take" on the Hatsan 95, as sold by Pyramyd Air, that the OP originally asked about.

In .25 caliber, the Model is only rated for 650 fps . . . This will result in a non-flat trajectory and be subject to rapid velocity loss, caused by aerodynamic drag. Couple that with the expense of .25 caliber pellets, and the Model 95 in .25 caliber appears not to be the best choice.

Recommendations:

1 - Consider the Model 95 in .22 caliber . . . rated for 800 fps with a flatter trajectory, greater downrange ballistic performance, and lower pellet cost.

2 - Consider a Model 125 variant, if you must have a .25 caliber rifle. It is powerful enough to flatten out the trajectory and extend downrange performance, but with the penalty of greater pellet expense.

Dave

Bravo.

Only one issue with the above and thats the "rapid velocity loss" bit.

Actually, a pellets BC goes down after a certain velocity, and a typical .25 pellet @ 650fps will actually loose velocity slower than the 800fps pellet. The initial BC of the .25 @ 800fps will be lower, but at the distance it's velocity drops into the "sweet spot" the 650fps pellet will have likely dropped below the sweet spot and begin deccelerating faster. The good part is that the distance where the BC of the .25 @ 650fps becomes something to consider is beyond the capable range of the rifle, most likely due to a lack of accuracy past 50 yards.

But I'm just being overly nit picky with the above, and with that being said the useful trajectory of 800fps would trump minor BC variation of a .25 at different velocities. However, this doesn't mean a 650fps .25 is a poor choice. Again, accuracy would be the deciding factor on your limits.