Author Topic: Is this normal for the safety (Read 5564 times))

JJ1514 · « **on:** April 30, 2012, 09:00:33 PM »

I noticed today that the even with the safety on my sniper still fires if the screws are adjusted so the trigger pull is light the piston still latches to of course its our normal for that to happen? I think it is because of the screw mod I did. Also when the pull its adjusted so its harder when I pull the trigger lightly on safety it moves forward a bit and then when you take the safety off the pull is lighter like balk during
Is this normal? Thanks

Mike 4888blues · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2012, 04:43:51 AM »

I dont know I will have to look into that interesting, I been so busy doing the tear down, the tune, and the 4 part post I have had no time shooting except for to test.

z28rod · « **Reply #2 on:** May 01, 2012, 07:17:37 AM »

Mike try to check this out asap. High priority safety issue for sure. brent

JJ1514 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2012, 04:43:45 PM »

Be very careful mine while cocked just flew up and bent the barrel luckily my finger wasn't in the way I'm asking joao if I can exchange it

Tarheel · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2012, 04:58:10 PM »

Quote from: JJ1514 on May 01, 2012, 04:43:45 PM

Be very careful mine while cocked just flew up and bent the barrel luckily my finger wasn't in the way I'm asking joao if I can exchange it

More "details" please . . .

Dave

SAADE · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2012, 05:36:49 PM »

Quote from: JJ1514 on May 01, 2012, 04:43:45 PM

Be very careful mine while cocked just flew up and bent the barrel luckily my finger wasn't in the way I'm asking joao if I can exchange it

Which model? "Flew up"? when and how, and while you were doing what..? Have you modified anything on the gun? Trigger?

These hit and run posts that pile on an issue are ridiculous, especially about a serious safety issue like this, come back when you have some facts!

JJ1514 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2012, 05:45:15 PM »

Well it seems that the safety just limits how much the pull can be pulled I tightened the pull and shortened the pull length a bit and while the gun was cocked it just went off randomly, luckily my finger wasn't in the way. This was probably close to the factory screw settings too now the barrel is bent I hope joao will let me exchange the gun be careful guys I wouldn't go experimenteng w
With this edit I did put in the larger screws the model is a 125 sniper while the gun was cocked the sear let go be careful with the Longer screws

z28rod · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2012, 05:57:54 PM »

"its our normal for that to happen?"
What kind of english is this ? Dude please post with stuff we can read right ...... exactly what happened again ?

WHITEFANG · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:01:21 PM »

This a concern on the WFH and Hatson. These guns seem more pron to do this than other brands. It is a given if the piston does not lock with the trigger and you let go the spring is going to slam the barrel shut even with out mods to the trigger.
There again, when you go playing with triggers SAFETY IS # 1. Just isn't much holding the piston back in comparison to the ~~STORED ENERGY~~ that the spring has in the cocked position,

SAADE · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:05:50 PM »

Quote from: z28rod on May 01, 2012, 05:57:54 PM

"its our normal for that to happen?"
What kind of english is this ? Dude please post with stuff we can read right ...... exactly what happened again ?

Z man: the best I can decipher from that last post is (my words) he adjusted the two trigger screws, maybe even modified the length of them and (as you and I know) the sear and trigger linkage in these types of guns begins to interact with the safety device, i.e. the safety doesn't go on or off safe completely? Thus, (I'm guessing) the trigger/sear let loose before the barrel was fully returned to the locked position?

z28rod · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:07:42 PM »

ah ok got it now......

JJ1514 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:10:55 PM »

Sorry I'm on my phone, the gun can still be fired while the safety is engaged if I adjust the longer aftermarket screws so that the trigger pull is to light or the pull length is to short. The gun is a hatsan mod 125 sniper. Just a few hours ago the pull length was adjusted to short and while the gun was cocked it went off and almost chopped my finger off.the barrel is now bent upwards. I think it is because of the longer trigger screws I put in, and therefore not hatsans fought. Be careful with the longer trigger adjustment screws.
Edit: what saade said, just trying to let you guys know to be careful with the longer trigger screws.

Paul68 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:15:35 PM »

"With this edit I did put in the larger screws"

So it begins.....

I'd strongly suggest not altering those screws again ***IF*** you get a replacement since changing to longer screws voided the warranty and was not a manufacturing issue. There is a reason Hatsan is sending them with short screws as you've learned. You are extremely lucky.

SAADE · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:21:18 PM »

JJ1514 Got it, you too, be careful, triggers are VERY deceiving devices and after all, they are compound levers that can do unpredictable things with very little alteration (like longer screws)

Archimedes said "give me a lever and I wil move the world" he was into geometry before it was geometry

JJ1514 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:30:18 PM »

Any ideas on how much a replacement barrel from umarex would cost or how to bend the barrel back? Thanks

Nathan · « **Reply #15 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:38:56 PM »

Any time you adjust the trigger outside of what the mfg has built in for adjustment range allows (either by stoning, lubing, adding different screws, etc) you risk this exact type of discharge. I'm glad your fingers were not in the way. If you haven't seen it here, there is a post showing a guys finger that is pretty chewed up from getting smashed in the barrel. If you haven't seen it, I suggest you do a search and see what potential injuries you were milliseconds away from.
Unfortunately, some factory triggers not so good and many people want to make them more to there liking. Modifying them(like that post you followed), starts you down a slippery slope, with real world consequences.
Charlie has said it numerous times here, warning about modifying triggers.

Nathan

SAADE · « **Reply #16 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:41:45 PM »

Are you mechanically inclined? Do you have, or can you make a device to bend the barrel?

Nearly all airgun barrels are much softer steel than their high-power, powder burning brothers, thats the good news. Now, where is the barrel bent and to what degree? (measurables, we need measurables)

So, total length of barrel is___________ The bend begins at ____________ from the muzzle end of the barrel and; the bend travels approximately ______ inches and; with a straight edge on the shallow side of the bend, it is about ________ inches (or fractions) of deflection away from the straight edge.

With the above info, maybe we can problem solve and straighten this silly thing, it's done more often than you might think.

Nathan · « **Reply #17 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:42:22 PM »

Depending on how badly it's bent, you maybe able to salvage the barrel. Umarex will be expensive on the replacement, based on what they charge (or try to) for other parts. You could try bending the barrel in a good solidly mounted vice (with padding around the barrel.
The first thing I'd do is remove them &^%^% screws and put the factory ones back in (if you saved them)

Nathan

JJ1514 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:44:54 PM »

I'll measure a little later the barrel is bent very slightly

WHITEFANG · « **Reply #19 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:59:11 PM »

Umarex = around $130.00 +. I just sent a .22 back WFH.

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Is this normal for the safety

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