Hatsan 95 has taken a turn for the worse. (Pics added on new post)

[Trondyne]

No WD40..it's some white lithium..the gun seemed dry in some places and was never quiet..

The squeaking was there all along and it's hard for me to be sure but it may simply be getting a little more pronounced as the gun was used, which btw due to work was not much...

Also this is my first adult springer and I am unsure, although learning what sounds and things are normal for a new gun and what is not..

So bottom line:  I assume the squeaking is not normal for a new gun when cocking and the only real choice is to tear it down or have it done..?

Jim

[Trondyne]

I would recommend a drop of Chamber lube or 30 weight silicone oil in the chamber....then work the action a few times without cocking it. If it is the seal, the squeaking will stop. If it does not, you may have to tear it down and inspect it. If you suspect it is NOT the seal, but metal on metal. DO NOT try to cock it or move the action. It will require tear down, inspection and possibly corrective action.

I am almost certain it's a metal to metal squeak... Gets a little louder as you get closer to the sear engaging...like squeeeeeeak click.. No idea where it's coming from and the spring and piston area from what I can see has a nice layer of lube on it..

Jim

[Plekto]

A good spring-piston design sounds and feels exactly like a heavy car hood with shock absorbers holding it up.  Solid and almost no noise at all other than a compression noise and another when the mechanism finishes cocking and locks into place.

Listen to the sound one makes in the airgun reporter and similar online review videos.  A constant piston compressing type of sound and a click at the end.  If the gun you have is making sounds other than that, well, there's a reason it's so inexpensive.  I know people gush on and on about these things, but you really do get what you pay for in airguns and firearms. 

[Trondyne]

Well my 125TH is definitely not silent save the click at the end when cocking.  This post made me pay more attention to the sound and it seems to be getting a little more pronounced with each shot..

I emailed Joao letting him know the problem so I'll see what he says...  Man, why couldn't I have just got one that isn't broken out of the darn box..?  Quite the pain in the butt..

Jim

[Mike 4888blues]

If there is a tin shield there it does not  belong there, they don't make them  like that, some have had the same thing , the piston slots as well  still having the thin shaven not competently and cleanly  sheared off.

  No reason  to have the thin sleeve in that hatsan designs the piston space fairly tight with the spring inside it.
 
I suspect in my opinion some one, or several workers, or maybe  many   in hatsans factory floor  are not doing there job.

 That had to be  installed  by hand,  and a visual inspection  was not done on purpose. this is ludicrous for the different problems they have had.. especially that one.

 I also blame the company s  owner he should  have better safe guards  over his workers and his factory, it is very irritating  to say the least,  especially  because I personally love there air rifles.

 Makes one speculate  just what the heck is  going on in that factory,  how is  it run ?  how are the workers  attitude  and  how do they feel  working there..

 Things like this  are being done because  of specific  reasons,  this is not a opps   or a mistake

[Charles Outdoors]

If there is a tin shield there it does not  belong there, they don't make them  like that, some have had the same thing , the piston slots as well  still having the thin shaven not competently and cleanly  sheared off.

  No reason  to have the thin sleeve in that hatsan designs the piston space fairly tight with the spring inside it.
 
I suspect in my opinion some one, or several workers, or maybe  many   in hatsans factory floor  are not doing there job.

 That had to be  installed  by hand,  and a visual inspection  was not done on purpose. this is ludicrous for the different problems they have had.. especially that one.

 I also blame the company s  owner he should  have better safe guards  over his workers and his factory, it is very irritating  to say the least,  especially  because I personally love there air rifles.

 Makes one speculate  just what the heck is  going on in that factory,  how is  it run ?  how are the workers  attitude  and  how do they feel  working there..

 Things like this  are being done because  of specific  reasons,  this is not a opps   or a mistake

My thoughts exactly about the workers there. Someone does not care or there very understaffed just rushing through the process to keep up.

[Paul68]

Crosman anyone?? LOL.

Seriously though. Just send the rifle back, and be sure to describe what you have found, as well as make clear your disappointment. The more returns they get like that, the better the chances that they will get QC on the straight and narrow.

[Devin]

It is being returned.

I could have just taken it apart myself, but there's no telling where the misc. shards of metal ended up and what possible damage they had done. At least with the replacement I know to tear it down to inspect, correct and lube. It's terrible to have to do that with a rifle out of the box, or risk damage, reguardless of the price.

As bad as I feel for my father, I'm glad it's not my rifle. I do however have to take care of any problems that probably will arise because he doesn't have the time to be working on a springer all night. He didn't want to spend over $150, but I should have talked him into an RWS 34 or something.

I came accross a vintage RWS 45 at the perfect time since I need a new CF tank for the PCPs. I love having a springer that I know I can shoot time and again without any worry of something going wrong.

[Paul68]

Good for you. I did tear mine down, but luckily, the damage is so severe that Hatsan is willing to consider replacing it even though I voided the warranty. The next one I will tear down before I even fire a shot and clean up, replace the seal, and lube it.

[Devin]

Good for you. I did tear mine down, but luckily, the damage is so severe that Hatsan is willing to consider replacing it even though I voided the warranty. The next one I will tear down before I even fire a shot and clean up, replace the seal, and lube it.

Are the compression tubes finished so poorly that the piston seal is commonly damaged just from installation? Sheesh...I hope not!

[Mike 4888blues]

 

[Mike 4888blues]

Good for you. I did tear mine down, but luckily, the damage is so severe that Hatsan is willing to consider replacing it even though I voided the warranty. The next one I will tear down before I even fire a shot and clean up, replace the seal, and lube it.

Are the compression tubes finished so poorly that the piston seal is commonly damaged just from installation? Sheesh...I hope not!

No! not at all. they are made very well.
the problem is with the person on the parts line they are not doing there job some one is  screwing this up, weather it is small metal pieces inside the receiver, or the piston was not cleaned and honed to remove the metal shavens cleanly when it was made where the cocking slots are,  or weather it is a rifle coming out totally over oiled on the outside  or if its dry from lack of prosper lube.

You can bet your last dollar, when they designed those rifles and built there factory that everything was gone over with great detail.. you dont design and build innovative rifles with out integrity as well, the receiver are well made the pistons are heavy duty and well made the trigger is amazing etcc..

[Trondyne]

No! not at all. they are made very well.
the problem is with the person on the parts line they are not doing there job some one is  screwing this up, weather it is small metal pieces inside the receiver, or the piston was not cleaned and honed to remove the metal shavens cleanly when it was made where the cocking slots are,  or weather it is a rifle coming out totally over oiled on the outside  or if its dry from lack of prosper lube.

You can bet your last dollar, when they designed those rifles and built there factory that everything was gone over with great detail.. you dont design and build innovative rifles with out integrity as well, the receiver are well made the pistons are heavy duty and well made the trigger is amazing etcc..

Sounds like Sabotage!!!

Waiting to hear back from Joao....

@##$$%#@@#$ cheap air guns!!!

Jim

[Devin]

I plan on thoroughly going over the replacement right off the bat. If the compression tube is so bad that the piston seal was damaged during installation, whether it be from burr or some other loose shaving, you can bet it will be further damaged as I pull it out for inspection as it runs over the burr. I'm going to be extremely PO'ed if I receive a rifle that is damaged right out of the box.

Fingers are crossed... It should be here in a couple days and I built a spring compressor today especially for the occasion (so sad when you find yourself building a compressor for a brand new springer  ).

[Trondyne]

I plan on thoroughly going over the replacement right off the bat. If the compression tube is so bad that the piston seal was damaged during installation, whether it be from burr or some other loose shaving, you can bet it will be further damaged as I pull it out for inspection as it runs over the burr. I'm going to be extremely PO'ed if I receive a rifle that is damaged right out of the box.

Fingers are crossed... It should be here in a couple days and I built a spring compressor today especially for the occasion (so sad when you find yourself building a compressor for a brand new springer  ).

Who did you deal with to arrange the exchange?

Mine is squealing like a flute when you cock it...

I must say I am not real interested in going to air gun school in order to work on a brand new exchanged gun... Holy Christmas!!

Jim

[Charles Outdoors]

 Hard to find an air rifle made in China, Turkey or Spain where they didn't leave edges where the compression tube slots were stamped out and the seal nicked or cut a little when put together. I've came to expect that on lower priced airguns.
  Metal shavings are a different story and the worst is a small chuck of metal embedded in the end of the compression chamber around the wall. I had 2 pieces stuck in the bottom of the compression chamber on the 125th that I received. One was sticking up about 1/8 inch from the bottom and about 1/8 inch long. The other was much smaller. The larger chunk was cutting into the seal, which had me looking inside the tube for the cause. If you get one like this it would be very difficult to fix. I don't know if it was embedded metal or slag from where the breech end was welded onto the tube.

[Charles Outdoors]

Crosman anyone?? LOL.

Funny you should mention that. I ordered a Disco Sunday. I've had enough of this for now.   

I will say that my 125 Sniper is one of mine favorites now.  But was allot of hassle and worry.

[Mike 4888blues]

No! not at all. they are made very well.
the problem is with the person on the parts line they are not doing there job some one is  screwing this up, weather it is small metal pieces inside the receiver, or the piston was not cleaned and honed to remove the metal shavens cleanly when it was made where the cocking slots are,  or weather it is a rifle coming out totally over oiled on the outside  or if its dry from lack of prosper lube.

You can bet your last dollar, when they designed those rifles and built there factory that everything was gone over with great detail.. you dont design and build innovative rifles with out integrity as well, the receiver are well made the pistons are heavy duty and well made the trigger is amazing etcc..

Sounds like Sabotage!!!

Waiting to hear back from Joao....

@##$$%#@@#$ cheap air guns!!!

Jim

 joao  will tell you to email hatsan usa. i hope he doesn't  but I think that's what he will do, everyone else does

 yes  my point exactly sounds like sabotage, sounds like workers are fed up and dont give a &^^&, and are simply say hey  s k r e w     u  lol

 and being it is a family owned business makes it worse, it should be the opposite, the rifles should be coming out like gems..  every one of them.

it is a shame  all i can say is I am glad i know how to do my own work because then I can appreciate the hatsan I bought.. I love them

 but on  the other hand for those who dont know how  to do there own work piff  what a big let down,  what a shame  they have to buy something different and loose  out on  all the nice choices hatsan developed

[Tarheel]

If you contact Hatsan USA, the President of the Company is Blaine Manifold ( yes, that is really his name )

Dave

[Paul68]

Crosman anyone?? LOL.

Funny you should mention that. I ordered a Disco Sunday. I've had enough of this for now.   

I will say that my 125 Sniper is one of mine favorites now.  But was allot of hassle and worry.

I just can't reconcile myself to the expense and added hassle of pumps, tanks, fittings, and all the accessories that will eventually come with owning a PCP. $400.00 for a gun and hand pump, then another $500.00 OR EASILY MORE if I want to get a tank and mechanical pump. Nope...

A lot of folks say, "If you want power, just go to PCP and be done with it". But in my mind, if that were the case, just skip AG's altogether and get a 22 PB.

I brought up Crosman because its the same thing, no difference whatsoever. It's a business model, and Hatsan has design and marketing down, and apparently is taking a page from the Chinese for manufacturing, rather than emulating the Germans.

There is only one way to improve the build quality for Hatsan. They already have the design. In order to get the fit and finish, they have to add another step in the assembly process, and that means a final prep by hand before actual assembly. Pistons and compression tubes need to be deburred and smoothed, spring ends squared and smoothed, and all the miscellaneous small parts given a quick smoothing or polishing. They just won't get the clean assembly and reliable performance without it.

Problem is, that kind of attention to detail increases costs, which is why you pay more for say an RWS.